TwinTorino

[coolwelder62]

Awesome project.Everytime I check back in just keep's getting neater.

[SVTforme]

Some more progress over the weekend - since we were happy with the steering and how it worked out, we modified a pair of floor shift columns. The other one we used was an old beat-up column shift one. Just need to powdercoat these when we get closer to final assembly time.

Chunger - realized I did not answer your question earlier - so these pics should help clear that up. As for the inner tube - we will likely weld that to the bottom plate in the end.

Also moved onto the braking system, and got the ABS module mounted in the car. We opted to move this from the passenger's side in front of the engine (on the base Mustang) and move it to under the master. This makes brake line routing much more simple, and hides the module out of the way. Thankfully the original Torino steering box sat where it did, as it made a nice place for the module. Just need to run the lines now. Will be starting into the fuel system next week - getting closer to a running and driving car by the day.

[chunger]

Craig - thanks for the extra photos, it really does explain it to me. Love the setup here. Wonderful build. Neat solution on the steering. You have a good eye to making things work out!

[SVTforme]

Moving right along on progres. Back to the engine - we are converting the engine to dual bore throttle body instead of single in attempt to get a bit more power out of it. It is a known issue with the M90 blower kits as the pressure drop across the throttle body is much higher with the single bore. This also means we now need to make up a custom clear air tube, which will either be carbon fiber or aluminum (see below for how).

Got the steering column modified, and got a Momo Ford specific adapter for the steering wheel. Adapter/wheel takes some getting used to, but it is growing on me. For those of you running smaller OD steering wheels on these cars.. how the heck do you see the gauges??

We were not really sure how we were going tin integrate the Ford fuel pump into the tank. Then one day the lightbulb went off and I realised that we should likely get someone to cut the tank flange off at an wrecking yard. Taking that one step further, we called a late model Mustang wrecking yard and they helped us up by getting 2 flanged in from wrecked cars.

Took a road trip this weekend to grab a new toy that was too good to pass up. It is a Pullmax model D3. We have been looking for years and years for one of these to show up close to home and for the right price. This was only slightly more than the price it would be worth if scrapping it. It works like a charm and we just need to make up some tooling before we can experiment with making parts for the Torino. We even broke out the custom trailer for the event .

[Rick K]

WOOOHOOOO!!! comin out with some flat sheetmetal Graig. Where do you have room for that? Is Jeremy starting on the barn?

[SVTforme]

Come one over . It lives at my house even though I ran out of space for cars and tools long ago.

[DarkBuddha]

I'm in love with that steering wheel...

[Cobraclone]

Nice build. I really like what you did by integrating the newer Mustang structure to the older Torino. I used to have a 69 Fastback Cobra with a 428CJ and a C6 when I was in high school. I always liked these cars! Keep the updates coming!

[SVTforme]

Started cutting up a new gas tank for the car and amazingly the 2004 Cobra fuel pump assmebly is the perfect height for these tanks. Just need to integrate a sump into the tank for the pump to sit in, and then modify the upper flange and weld into the tank. Surprised to see a "Made in Canada" tag on this tank, a pleasant surprise. Very nice quality part. Since the gastank is also the trunk floor in the this car, we will likely just make up a guard to protect the pump housing and lines.

Moving on - need to connect all of the systems together. Picked up some stainless 3/16", 1/4" and 3/8" lines and found the appropriate clips, etc to attach to the car. This stainless tubing is seamless and annealed which makes it much more pleasant to flare. The Mustang has a wonderful mix of flare nuts, M10, M12, 3/8-24 and 7/16-24 to connect to the master cylinder, proportioning valve, ABS controller and all 4 corners. Since this is a 4-channel ABS system we also need to run 2 brake lines to the rear. Also have Goodrich front stainless flex lines and Maximum Motorsports in the rear.

[chunger]

Craig, Nice, very nice. So it look like you'll have to fab up a flange for the unit and close off the original fill pipe then right? Will you be adding any baffling to the tank while you're in there? Of course to do that, you'd probably have to split the seam around the tank, but that would make working inside it sooo much easier.

Just a thought.

[Rick K]

how come you guys didn't go with a fuel cell and put in a trunk floor?

[SVTforme]

Craig, Nice, very nice. So it look like you'll have to fab up a flange for the unit and close off the original fill pipe then right? Will you be adding any baffling to the tank while you're in there? Of course to do that, you'd probably have to split the seam around the tank, but that would make working inside it sooo much easier.

Just a thought.

If you look a couple of posts up - you will see the flanges we are using. We simply had them cut out of a tank from a junkyard. With a little work, we can make them adapt to the contours of the tank. Original fill pipe will stay where it is, as I like the stealth of the filler neck behind the license plate.

Not sure on baffling yet - we can likely get some basic baffles through the hole we cut for the pump. We will be putting in a sealed reservoir to surround the pumps to hold fuel locally, similar to what is in a 2003/2004 Cobra tank. Definitely would be easier open up the seams, but I think you would have to destroy the entire seam to get it open.

We are also up in the air on whether or not to use the Walbro tank pickups on either side of the tank like the ones used on Rick's Classic Tanks. Only problem we have in running those is you need a jet pump to drive them, which the older Mustangs do not use. The newer Mustangs with saddle tanks do have them, so I suppose we could incorporate one. Other problem is they require some of your fuel pump flow to drive them.

how come you guys didn't go with a fuel cell and put in a trunk floor?

I guess this depends on what your definition of a fuel cell is. There are the "generic" cells etc that you can get from Summit or Jegs, which are just aluminum reservoirs. The style I typically think of when I hear fuel cell are ones made by companies like Fuel Safe Systems that have an outer structure and an internal bladder and are often vehicle specific.

We went back and forth on this one. First thing is noone makes a fuel cell that is Torino specifc. Any place that makes good fuel cells for Mustang etc, want at least 1k for them when all is said and done. Those would need to be modified to fit. You also have to replace the bladders periodically which gets pricey. They are typically set up for return systems. We are looking to retain the Mustang returness system and run the pump with the Ford FPDM (fuel pump driver module) to duty cycle the pump.

As for the generic reservoirs which I think you may be referring to, we wanted to have a usable trunk, and maximize fuel tank capacity for long trips. Most of these tanks are too tall and are square boxes which don't package very efficiently. The also don't follow the underbody ground clearance area very well since they are flat on the bottom.

Since we got lucky with the height of the stock tank and the height of the Cobra dual pump setup, this made the most sense. This fuel module would be a pain to incorporate into a generic cell.

The ideal setup would be something like the ones from Rick's Classic tanks for a Torino application.. but I don't think we will see that anytime soon . Plus when you are a budget, those are not a cheap solution.

[batstang]

CRAZY BUILD!!! Too Sweet!!

[SVTforme]

Finally finished up the worm gear setup on the rotisserie to allow the car to spin around and got to see what the rotisserie hype is all about. Sure is a nice tool to have around the garage! Unfortunately got carried away and forgot to drain the oil out of the diff. Now the garage has a wonderful 80/90 aroma.

Moved on to getting the brakes in order. After searching far and wide for Torino brake line kits with ABS, we just ended up bending our own. Got the Wilwood proportioning valve in place, and also bent and flared up both front lines. Started routing the rear lines. We bent all of the lines up with 3/16 aliminum tube first which was 10x easier. Kinda looks like it was supposed to be there. Also got in the adapters to convert the hydroboost to AN style fittings.

[SVTforme]

Could only put it off so long.. finally had to buy some new parts for the car for a change. Working on getting the cooling, power steering, fuel and brake systems up and running. Wanted to have all the fittings in black and with black polyester weaving on the hoses. Took a while to track down all the parts for the right price, but we have everything now for one car.

Also got upgraded parts to run the remote oil cooler and also a better pump and Cobra pickup to keep the engine happy on the track.

Started cleaning up the underbody and began welding everything underneath. I am not sure how we would have done this without a rotisserie.

[garner67]

This has to be one of my all time favorite builds. What are your next big jobs you're trying to complete in the coming months?

Thanks for posting your progress, and keep up the great work!

[SVTforme]

Thanks!

Hoping to get the car running and driving in the next 2-3 months which seems more realistic by the day. Ultimate goal would be to get one of the cars to the Motorstate Challenge in June.

Next on the agenda would be to start hacking up the second car which should go much faster.

[beyonda68]

Amazing fab work. Have enjoyed reading and looking at this build. Look forward to more updates.

[SVTforme]

Have been doing lots of underbody welding.. so not a whole lot of exciting progress to see latetly.

Added the final pieces to the rear of the subframe connectors to make them blend into the rear frame rail. Once the IRS comes back out, this can be finished up. Also started to weld the connectors to the floor pans.

Now that the rosisserie is in use, we added the final bracket to the IRS in the middle of the car. These IRS units are notorious for wheel-hop issues, so hopefully stiffening all of this will put that to rest.

[Wesley J]

Can you elaborate on the fittings you got to change the hydroboost over to AN and where you got them? I'm doing he same with my '67.

Thanks in advance,

Wes