Carbon Fiber

[gabbett1]

Well of course you would want it to mirror the stock interior skeleton regardless of the panels bolting and screwing in .....if it was altered this could and would change the performance of the whole car being as its a subframe car, it alters the safety and in one giant swoop engineering and non of this has any mention about legalities

Yes, mirror it, but not have to be exactly like it. That's what I was trying to get at.

[raustinss]

Yes, mirror it, but not have to be exactly like it. That's what I was trying to get at.

yes ...and i was saying no it would need to be the same ....are you an engineer and can atest to a whole pile of facts and formulas that would explain how youve come to the conclusion that x piece in y location is better than stock

[gabbett1]

yes ...and i was saying no it would need to be the same ....are you an engineer and can atest to a whole pile of facts and formulas that would explain how youve come to the conclusion that x piece in y location is better than stock

I think you and I are talking about the same thing but in different ways. I am not an engineer but we do have one that would look into all of this.

[HellPhish89]

Would it need to 100% mimic the existing metalwork? As long as it fits and everything bolts in, I'm sure there is a decent amount of smoothing that could be done. Plus having the floor attached would be a huge boost to structural strength.

My original plan was to have several different "floor" molds based on what kind of build someone wants to do that can fit into a one piece design so it would be a somewhat modular mold setup.

Thoughts?

Seems like if one is going to start cutting up the interior structure; a quintessentially Camaro 2+2 passenger cell would be the next logical step that would really bear fruit in terms of performance for money. Especially when we are talking about a unibody car.

Right now for a unibody car, the next real steps to me are: composite front sub-frames, composite suspension pieces, etc.

[TheJDMan]

All the inner structures in the steel Camaro body are designed to add strength to sheet metal. I doubt any of that structural design would be optimum for a CF body. I would agree that the inner structure needs to have the same attachment points but I suspect it would look significantly different once the design is optimized for CF.

That said, I find the idea of a CF subframe to be a VERY interesting concept which I would actually be more interested in than a body. A CF subframe would go a long way toward reducing weight and if you got Ron Sutton involved in the design process to lay out the suspension geometry, I think it would be a really unique and attractive product that would sell in significant numbers.

http://www.ronsuttonracetechnology.com/

[gabbett1]

All the inner structures in the steel Camaro body are designed to add strength to sheet metal. I doubt any of that structural design would be optimum for a CF body. I would agree that the inner structure needs to have the same attachment points but I suspect it would look significantly different once the design is optimized for CF.

That said, I find the idea of a CF subframe to be a VERY interesting concept which I would actually be more interested in than a body. A CF subframe would go a long way toward reducing weight and if you got Ron Sutton involved in the design process to lay out the suspension geometry, I think it would be a really unique and attractive product that would sell in significant numbers.

http://www.ronsuttonracetechnology.com/

A CF subframe is an interesting concept, but I'd think a CF unibody would drop a lot more weight than from the subframe. I could be wrong.

IF I can manage to get a CF unibody made, I want to put at trans axle in the car to help shift weight to the rear tires.

[TheJDMan]

Keep in mind that most of the competition events have minimum weights for these cars. So the only advantage to an ultra light car would be that you would have the ability to place the ballast exactly where it does the most good. The first gen Camaros tend to be nose heavy which is why many people move the battery to the trunk. This is also why I think there would be a larger market for a CF subframe with Ron Sutton suspension geometry than there would be for a CF body.

[raustinss]

Why don't you post some pics of the c.f. you've made up I know I'd Like to see some before we toss ideas of doing business. Also I want to know how you got a full c.f clip for less than 10 from Anvil, notice in my calculations I left out the trunk lid which would add another 900 $

[HellPhish89]

All the inner structures in the steel Camaro body are designed to add strength to sheet metal. I doubt any of that structural design would be optimum for a CF body. I would agree that the inner structure needs to have the same attachment points but I suspect it would look significantly different once the design is optimized for CF.

That said, I find the idea of a CF subframe to be a VERY interesting concept which I would actually be more interested in than a body. A CF subframe would go a long way toward reducing weight and if you got Ron Sutton involved in the design process to lay out the suspension geometry, I think it would be a really unique and attractive product that would sell in significant numbers.

http://www.ronsuttonracetechnology.com/

The front subframe would also look very different from stock for the same reasons you mention about the body plus the characteristics of the different weaves of cf. There are quite a few ways to go with it. The biggest issue would be to keep costs reasonable while getting quality to be as high as possible.

http://www.pitt.edu/~awd16/ConferencePaper.pdf

[HellPhish89]

If one loves cf, one also has to love Koenigsegg..

[gabbett1]

Why don't you post some pics of the c.f. you've made up I know I'd Like to see some before we toss ideas of doing business. Also I want to know how you got a full c.f clip for less than 10 from Anvil, notice in my calculations I left out the trunk lid which would add another 900 $

They had different pricing when I bought my stuff. They had 100% carbon parts and then they had dry carbon parts that were more expensive. Most of the parts I bought were the 100% carbon because they were cheaper. Accept for the hood, I opted for the dry carbon hood but purchased it for $2,400 because it had minor flaws (small bubbles in one little area).

As for the parts I made, I can try and dig them up, but remember, I am not making them myself. I have a group that has been making CF airplane parts for 10 years now.

[gabbett1]

What's the best way for hosting/posting images here?

[raustinss]

Are the pictures on ? Phone ,computer ,Instagram, what's the source because there's different ways

[raustinss]

They had different pricing when I bought my stuff. They had 100% carbon parts and then they had dry carbon parts that were more expensive. Most of the parts I bought were the 100% carbon because they were cheaper. Accept for the hood, I opted for the dry carbon hood but purchased it for $2,400 because it had minor flaws (small bubbles in one little area).

As for the parts I made, I can try and dig them up, but remember, I am not making them myself. I have a group that has been making CF airplane parts for 10 years now.

OK so yes ago you got good pricing... makes sense now ..yrs ago I bought a #'s matching bb ss chevelle for 6500 Canadian with 95 k original miles ...point is like everything prices and the market change and we need to accommodate. So back to the c.f .....IF you had to repurchase those parts today you see the current prices

[gabbett1]

Are the pictures on ? Phone ,computer ,Instagram, what's the source because there's different ways

Computer

[raustinss]

Do you have instagram or photobucket

[gabbett1]

Do you have instagram or photobucket

No I don't

[chevelletiger]

Carbon fiber manufacturing is expensive. Car companies have done crazy things like resorting to weaving the carbon thread into the parts they want. Chevy, Ford, Mercedes, and others have had certain alliances at points in time to try to figure out a less expensive way to manufacture carbon/composite parts.

Of course there is also the mold making.. which is also expensive.

IE:


Lay ups can also be quite complicated:



From there.. most higher end manufacturers are going to be using pre-preg carbon and will 'cook' the parts in an autoclave.

Yeah...sorry my friend but those kits and prices for mold making material from companys on youtube or the web are very much priced(over priced)for the general public.
One co. Smooth on wants about $20.00 a pound for there mold making material,
The shop i work at that does molds in euro and silicone can get it for $7.00 a pound and its just an A+B mix and no min. Order.
Im not trying to start a fight here but unless you work in this industry or have played with any of the mat. Please dont comment.
In the past,like the op i got slammed on other sites for making my own suspension parts with the comments of "yeah you need special machines and welders design and bla bla bla)from guys who cant even fkin weld or design s#&t for there life,while i can tig,mig,mill,turn parts out of raw steel and aluminum. While making bad ass parts for alot less then buying,as a matter of fact im in the process of making a lower front chassis brace for a member here.metal cost me about $35.00 and its about 95.00 lower in cost then sc&c
Alot of times guys bash other members because they lack skill or dont have the ballz to take a shot at making something on there own.
What you make a wrong bend and its off?so what...cut that bitch off rebend,weld,done.
What happend to hot rodding? Is it just a bunch of check writing turtle neck wearing *****s that cant think or wrench for themselfs?

Not saying this to any one person btw,but i just get pissed when guys sitting on a keyboard want to act like there experts because they see a video or read about something done and are now taking s#&t! Why dont members try to bring a guy up on an idea and be positive,unless you know the guy or what his skill set is shut the F up!
Theres alot of talented guys that are on this great site.

[krom]

yeah...sorry my friend but those kits and prices for mold making material from companys on youtube or the web are very much priced(over priced)for the general public.
One co. Smooth on wants about $20.00 a pound for there mold making material,
the shop i work at that does molds in euro and silicone can get it for $7.00 a pound and its just an a+b mix and no min. Order.
Im not trying to start a fight here but unless you work in this industry or have played with any of the mat. Please dont comment.
In the past,like the op i got slammed on other sites for making my own suspension parts with the comments of "yeah you need special machines and welders design and bla bla bla)from guys who cant even fkin weld or design s#&t for there life,while i can tig,mig,mill,turn parts out of raw steel and aluminum. While making bad ass parts for alot less then buying,as a matter of fact im in the process of making a lower front chassis brace for a member here.metal cost me about $35.00 and its about 95.00 lower in cost then sc&c
alot of times guys bash other members because they lack skill or dont have the ballz to take a shot at making something on there own.
What you make a wrong bend and its off?so what...cut that bitch off rebend,weld,done.
What happend to hot rodding? Is it just a bunch of check writing turtle neck wearing *****s that cant think or wrench for themselfs?

Not saying this to any one person btw,but i just get pissed when guys sitting on a keyboard want to act like there experts because they see a video or read about something done and are now taking s#&t! Why dont members try to bring a guy up on an idea and be positive,unless you know the guy or what his skill set is shut the f up!
Theres alot of talented guys that are on this great site.

x1000

[raustinss]

No I don't

You may have to ask a moderator or see if another member wants to chime in here ....I've only loaded pics from my phone ....not smert enuff...fir da computin machines lol
Cheers

Feel free to pm and I'll give you my email if you want to send pictures and prices when you get a "rough" idea