Carbon Fiber

[raustinss]

Yeah...sorry my friend but those kits and prices for mold making material from companys on youtube or the web are very much priced(over priced)for the general public.
One co. Smooth on wants about $20.00 a pound for there mold making material,
The shop i work at that does molds in euro and silicone can get it for $7.00 a pound and its just an A+B mix and no min. Order.
Im not trying to start a fight here but unless you work in this industry or have played with any of the mat. Please dont comment.
In the past,like the op i got slammed on other sites for making my own suspension parts with the comments of "yeah you need special machines and welders design and bla bla bla)from guys who cant even fkin weld or design s#&t for there life,while i can tig,mig,mill,turn parts out of raw steel and aluminum. While making bad ass parts for alot less then buying,as a matter of fact im in the process of making a lower front chassis brace for a member here.metal cost me about $35.00 and its about 95.00 lower in cost then sc&c
Alot of times guys bash other members because they lack skill or dont have the ballz to take a shot at making something on there own.
What you make a wrong bend and its off?so what...cut that bitch off rebend,weld,done.
What happend to hot rodding? Is it just a bunch of check writing turtle neck wearing *****s that cant think or wrench for themselfs?

Not saying this to any one person btw,but i just get pissed when guys sitting on a keyboard want to act like there experts because they see a video or read about something done and are now taking s#&t! Why dont members try to bring a guy up on an idea and be positive,unless you know the guy or what his skill set is shut the F up!
Theres alot of talented guys that are on this great site.

Agreed VERY talented people . As a fabricator I get why some things can be a Lil daunting . As someone who has been blessed with common sense I feel that there is a bunch of people who also consider that if they screw up they could kill themselves, family ,friends or a stranger. Not everyone has had the proper training to understand forces, strength material selection etc . This is where sometimes it might just be or is better to be one of those " check writing ****s" .Letting someone else who may have in house engineering i.e. DSE ,ridetech etc design the parts for you is safer and better piece of mind

[krom]

Agreed VERY talented people . As a fabricator I get why some things can be a Lil daunting . As someone who has been blessed with common sense I feel that there is a bunch of people who also consider that if they screw up they could kill themselves, family ,friends or a stranger. Not everyone has had the proper training to understand forces, strength material selection etc . This is where sometimes it might just be or is better to be one of those " check writing ****s" .Letting someone else who may have in house engineering i.e. DSE ,ridetech etc design the parts for you is safer and better piece of mind

I think you would be shocked at how little actual engineering is done on most of the parts in this sport.

What's the best way for hosting/posting images here?

as for adding a picture from your computer:

click on "go advanced" next to "post quick reply"

Then click manage attachments

It will pop up another window which allows you to upload pictures etc

[raustinss]

[QUOTE=krom;1190426]I think you would be shocked at how little actual engineering is done on most of the parts in this sport.

Lol please tell me you're joking .... The amount of engineering is nuts , spc a arms? AFX spindles.... Damn near anything DSE or ride tech makes, essentially any form or cad drawings is engineered... what about wheel manufacturers ? ... agree that not EVERYTHING is engineered but there is quite a lot that is

[gabbett1]

Tried to upload photos via the manage attachments but I keep getting errors. I don't know if there are file size limits? They are already reduced files but maybe they are too large yet?

[HellPhish89]

Yeah...sorry my friend but those kits and prices for mold making material from companys on youtube or the web are very much priced(over priced)for the general public.
One co. Smooth on wants about $20.00 a pound for there mold making material,
The shop i work at that does molds in euro and silicone can get it for $7.00 a pound and its just an A+B mix and no min. Order.
Im not trying to start a fight here but unless you work in this industry or have played with any of the mat. Please dont comment.
In the past,like the op i got slammed on other sites for making my own suspension parts with the comments of "yeah you need special machines and welders design and bla bla bla)from guys who cant even fkin weld or design s#&t for there life,while i can tig,mig,mill,turn parts out of raw steel and aluminum. While making bad ass parts for alot less then buying,as a matter of fact im in the process of making a lower front chassis brace for a member here.metal cost me about $35.00 and its about 95.00 lower in cost then sc&c
Alot of times guys bash other members because they lack skill or dont have the ballz to take a shot at making something on there own.
What you make a wrong bend and its off?so what...cut that bitch off rebend,weld,done.
What happend to hot rodding? Is it just a bunch of check writing turtle neck wearing *****s that cant think or wrench for themselfs?

Not saying this to any one person btw,but i just get pissed when guys sitting on a keyboard want to act like there experts because they see a video or read about something done and are now taking s#&t! Why dont members try to bring a guy up on an idea and be positive,unless you know the guy or what his skill set is shut the F up!
Theres alot of talented guys that are on this great site.

Holy christ the videos were used as an example. Not sure if you were drunk when you came up with that rant but yes, autoclaves are a pretty big part of high end cf construction and especially for stuff that is load bearing.

[HellPhish89]

Tried to upload photos via the manage attachments but I keep getting errors. I don't know if there are file size limits? They are already reduced files but maybe they are too large yet?

I tried uploading a pdf the other day and I got a 406? error. Pdf's are allowed on here. Anywho, best to host em and post em up.

[krom]

[QUOTE=raustinss;1190437]

I think you would be shocked at how little actual engineering is done on most of the parts in this sport.

Lol please tell me you're joking .... The amount of engineering is nuts , spc a arms? AFX spindles.... Damn near anything DSE or ride tech makes, essentially any form or cad drawings is engineered... what about wheel manufacturers ? ... agree that not EVERYTHING is engineered but there is quite a lot that is

Nope, not joking.

Anybody can draw anything in cad, that isn't engineering.

Engineering is determining the loads the part will see (which is often the hardest part), then determining the acceptable deflection.
The design work of choosing the material (cost vs weight usually the goals in our stuff), designing the part (part geometry is dependent on material properties), analyzing it to make sure it meets your deflection goals, then determining manufacturing process (again cost vs weight) is done iteratively, until you come up with a material, and geometry that meet all the mechanical goals, and cost goals.

Then you build a couple and test them to see if reality matches up with the design work.

[chevelletiger]

No hellphish89 I was not drunk,I really don't drink unless I'm in Vegas with my wife and friends!
And I agree with you about there being a small part of engineering in this "hobby" let's remember we think these are race cars were building but there really just toys for adults.

Ryan your from a fabricating back ground,me?machining and design back ground.
Actually from what I here one person who is listed as an engineer at ride tech really never got his degree in that field, it was English. It doesn't mean he understand the math and principles of engineering.
As for there being nuts of engineering on aftermarkets parts,there's some but not nasa engineering like your claiming.seems your not confident in you fabrication skills.i am.

[gabbett1]

Yeah, I can't figure out why it won't allow me to upload pictures...

[raustinss]

No hellphish89 I was not drunk,I really don't drink unless I'm in Vegas with my wife and friends!
And I agree with you about there being a small part of engineering in this "hobby" let's remember we think these are race cars were building but there really just toys for adults.

Ryan your from a fabricating back ground,me?machining and design back ground.
Actually from what I here one person who is listed as an engineer at ride tech really never got his degree in that field, it was English. It doesn't mean he understand the math and principles of engineering.
As for there being nuts of engineering on aftermarkets parts,there's some but not nasa engineering like your claiming.seems your not confident in you fabrication skills.i am.

Dude first of all where the sam hell did I mention anything about bass engineering and I'm am more than beyond confident in my fab skills ...stop being ignorant I have the highest level training in Canada and graduated with honors ....I fab lots of stuff for Toyota on a regular basis being as two plants are within a short drive of our shop ....I said SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT WANT TO FAB SOMETHING DUE TO PIECE OF MIND ....

[dhutton]

I don't understand all the negativity in this thread. I welcome and encourage anyone who wants to bring parts to the market. I will reserve judgement on their quality etc until I see them....

Don

[gabbett1]

I don't understand all the negativity in this thread. I welcome and encourage anyone who wants to bring parts to the market. I will reserve judgement on their quality etc until I see them....

Don

Thank you Don.

[RLJ676]

If you could make parts priced competitively to Anvil, in the states and actually delivered on a real time table I think you'd be very successful. Please add some second gen stuff haha.

I too don't get the negativity towards the question and assumption here. To assume the Ring Brothers price of $40k is fair is ridiculous. It might be, but I'm pretty sure they are out to make money, as much as possible, on low volume. Others could expect to sell at lower margin high volume. Further, if I'm the guy that commissioned that bad ass Mustang they built the molds for, I'd have set it up that they couldn't pump those out left and right, otherwise why spend the $1M with them (or more) on the original only to see copies everywhere later. So the 40k could be completely arbitrary so they only sell a couple.

Final comment on engineering of the aftermarket, I'd say there's some involved by some of the guys, but I'd put up not a single one of them do the type of design and validation work of an OEM, just wouldn't be feasible. There is always more risk on aftermarket stuff than stock, as there's no way to ammortize the millions and millions of ED&D work per part over a few thousand (if lucky) sold parts.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

If you could make parts priced competitively to Anvil, in the states and actually delivered on a real time table I think you'd be very successful. Please add some second gen stuff haha.

I can't see that being possible.. They send to China for a reason.

Delivered on a real time table?.. i don't think thats possible in the long haul if you have proper interest.. unless you come out of pocket to fund a large batch to sell out the door and no pre orders cause thats what usually trips up damn near everyone who I have seen do it through the forums.. Including Anvil unfortunately... Thats why I didn't want to sell my flare kit unless I had product ready to go out the door.

And second gen parts?.. oh the prayers must be stacked to heavens roof for that.. lol!

[gabbett1]

I can't see that being possible.. They send to China for a reason.

Delivered on a real time table?.. i don't think thats possible in the long haul if you have proper interest.. unless you come out of pocket to fund a large batch to sell out the door and no pre orders cause thats what usually trips up damn near everyone who I have seen do it through the forums.. Including Anvil unfortunately... Thats why I didn't want to sell my flare kit unless I had product ready to go out the door.

And second gen parts?.. oh the prayers must be stacked to heavens roof for that.. lol!

I know it's possible. I already know that I could sell hoods for Corvettes for example for $500 less than Anvil and make a killing of a margin. On a prepreg part nonetheless.

[raustinss]

Let me be the first to ask then how come your not ? ....I know there isn't too many vette guys here but it would be a great way to get your foot in the door yes ?

[gabbett1]

Let me be the first to ask then how come your not ? ....I know there isn't too many vette guys here but it would be a great way to get your foot in the door yes ?

I am. I'm in the process. Biggest reason why I'm thinking about the Camaro body ATM is because I'm currently building one for myself and thought a full CF body would be the way to go, but obviously a much larger investment.

[raustinss]

Oh for sure ... going back to the very beginning of the thread..... I still think it could would and probably will be too much money but .....maybe easier to bring out some parts for the cars first before diving into a full body

[dhutton]

Gerry sent me some pics to post. Here are most of them.

[TheJDMan]

Isn't that a Lancair?