Pedal Talk

[cheapthrillz]

Just wanting to see what all you guys are running for pedal assemblies. The pedals on my Galaxie are shot, so I'll be replacing them. Any advantages to running specific types, styles, or brands of pedals? I'll have to get the clutch, brake, & gas pedal assemblies probably, so I'm just looking at my options. Thanks in advance.

[cheapthrillz]

I know most of you just run your stock pedals, but I know JP used Tilton Eng. pedals in II Much but I couldn't find a finished picture or the style that he used.

Tilton's website: http://www.tiltonracing.com/content....list2&id=1&m=b

I know Wilwood makes pedal assemblies too.

Anybody have any luck with either of these companies?

[parsonsj]

JC, I started with using a Tilton remote pedal setup, and my own fabricated pedals.

See pgs 18-20 of Tilton's brake catalog. My setup is dual pedals and 3 masters, and it seems that Tilton doesn't offer that any more; they only offer a 1 pedal dual MC setup.

But you can see a drawing of my exact part on pg 20, along with some fabrication suggestions.

It's complicated, but it turns out that I'm actually using a Wilwood part (I removed all Tilton parts at their request). I got a Wilwood dual pedal assembly and turned it upside down and backwards, and adapted the Tilton fulcrums and balance bar to it. Added my own pedals and their own hangers and linkage.

Which means... I've still got the Tilton part pictured on pg 20. You can get all the linkage parts and build your own remote pedal assembly.

Pictures are difficult... since it is all buried under my dash, but I'll try and snag something for you if you want.

jp

[cheapthrillz]

JC, I started with using a Tilton remote pedal setup, and my own fabricated pedals.

See pgs 18-20 of Tilton's brake catalog. My setup is dual pedals and 3 masters, and it seems that Tilton doesn't offer that any more; they only offer a 1 pedal dual MC setup.

But you can see a drawing of my exact part on pg 20, along with some fabrication suggestions.

It's complicated, but it turns out that I'm actually using a Wilwood part (I removed all Tilton parts at their request). I got a Wilwood dual pedal assembly and turned it upside down and backwards, and adapted the Tilton fulcrums and balance bar to it. Added my own pedals and their own hangers and linkage.

Which means... I've still got the Tilton part pictured on pg 20. You can get all the linkage parts and build your own remote pedal assembly.

Pictures are difficult... since it is all buried under my dash, but I'll try and snag something for you if you want.

jp

JP,

What are the advantages and disadvantages to running a remote setup? Currently, the '65 Galaxie has 2 stamped steel braces running parallel with the ground under the dash, and the pedals are supported by a rod and bushings running through the braces. The bushing is worn out and the rod has broken off one of the braces, so I need to do something. I figured I would spend my money on a nice pedal setup instead of trying to fix the 44 year old factory junk.

What are the advantages/disadvantages to running floor mount vs. firewall mount vs. reversed firewall mount vs. overhung pedals?

Also, why did tilton "recommend" that you remove their parts?

Sorry for all of the questions. I'm just trying to learn as much as I can about everything.

When I build the car, I want it to perform well, but no car can perform well if you are not comfortable when you drive it. Therefore, I want to make the "driving" aspect of the car as use-able as possible...

[parsonsj]

I agree: pedals is an important of the driving experience. Getting that right will make a difference in your driving experience.

Wilwood asked me to remove the Tilton parts. Wilwood is a sponsor of my car.

Look at pg 20 of the current Tilton catalogue... that will explain what a remote pedal setup is, and why it's the best way for factory firewall/floored cars.

We can go from there.

jp

[cheapthrillz]

The adjustable mount looks alot like what I have now, so that would probably be the easiest to install. I will pull the carpet back and try to snap some pictures of what I've got. I don't mind fabricating the floor to do a floor mount (or firewall mount for that matter), but I don't know the performance differences between the different styles of pedals.

I have driven Porsches with the floor mount pedals, and they are awkward, but after a while, you get used to it. When you drive a truck or some vehicle with a long clutch pedal stroke, you end up using your upper leg more so than your ankle. Performance-ly speaking, I would think the floor mount would be the "fastest", "least movement" stroke, but I don't know what the disadvantages would be.

I know that pedal size and distance between the pedals makes a difference in the amount time it takes to move your toe to the brake pedal.

Tobin @ Kore3 is helping me out with the brakes, and he said that he usually recomends the Wilwood Universal 7/8" bore MC, but either way, I will have to get a new MC...

[wingman]

JC,
I just went through the same exercise with a hotrod I'm building. Whether floor mount or swing, mc inside, under the floor or under the dash. I finally decided on swinging pedals with the mc's under the dash (to keep the firewall clean) Wilwood's setup is really nice, they were really helpful about mc sizes and mounting. That's my .02.

[cheapthrillz]

JC,
I just went through the same exercise with a hotrod I'm building. Whether floor mount or swing, mc inside, under the floor or under the dash. I finally decided on swinging pedals with the mc's under the dash (to keep the firewall clean) Wilwood's setup is really nice, they were really helpful about mc sizes and mounting. That's my .02.

Thanks Hans. I will definitely be in touch with Wilwood and Tilton trying to figure this out. I was just trying to see what the pro-touring community thought about pedal design. Maybe I need to be thinking about this from a racing stand point like JP instead of a streetcar standpoint.

[parsonsj]

JC,

Are you going to use a balance bar setup with dual masters? That's probably the first question to answer.

jp

[cheapthrillz]

JC,

Are you going to use a balance bar setup with dual masters? That's probably the first question to answer.

jp

HaHa.... I have NO idea. That's why I'm asking all of these questions. What would you recommend and why? I've never researched into braking systems, so I don't know what is best for specific applications.

The car will be a manual w/ 4 wheel disks from Kore3 (hopefully!)

[parsonsj]

Well...

Balance bar setups are superior to traditional dual master cylinders with a proportioning valve. Here's some tech:

http://www.stockcarproducts.com/tech1k.htm

You need to see if you can package 3 masters (1 for front brakes, 1 for rear brakes, 1 for clutch) in your firewall/under dash area.

If you can't fit the masters in the space, no sense in pursuing a balance bar setup. If you can fit them, I'd recommend it. You'll be able to get better brake performance and superior tuning.

jp

[MCMLXIX]

I was looking into this as well. I will probably go with the Wilwood pedals and I plan on smoothing my firewall. I need to figure out if I want the MC in the engin bay or under the dash. Under is cleaner but would be a PIA to fill / maintain. Project Re-Peeled documented on this site used Wilwood pedals and and Ididt column. Here are some pics and a link to the thread... https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=53048





Here are the part numbers:
The pedal assembly part # 340-3950
master cylinder part # 260-10372 for 3/4in. bore
master cylinder part # 260-10374 for 7/8 in. bore
master cylinder part # 260-10375 for 1 in. bore

Here is a link to the .pdf instructions for 340-3950
http://static.summitracing.com/globa...s/340-3950.pdf

Here is a pic of the reverse mount pedals. (MCs under the dash = smooth firewall)

[parsonsj]

The main problem with the pre-fab'ed pedal setups is that they make a basic tenant of proper machine-human interface difficult.

Have a look at any OEM pedal setup, and note where the brake pedal is in relation to the steering wheel. You'll find that in nearly all cases, the brake pedal center is directly under the wheel. The Wilwood and Tilton pedals are high quality pieces, but I've never figured out how to package them to allow the brake pedal/steering wheel relationship to be where it needs to be.

jp

[Payton King]

Tilton remote set ups and never used it. It is for a dual master with balance bar. Still in the box...if you need one

I had a guy fab up a dual master with balance bar using my existing camaro stuff.

[cheapthrillz]

This is what it looks like now....

[JayR]

Have you guys seen the pedal assembly from Clayton Machine? http://claytonmachine.com/prd_pedals_directboltin.html

The thing is frickin' jewelry.

[cheapthrillz]

Have you guys seen the pedal assembly from Clayton Machine? http://claytonmachine.com/prd_pedals_directboltin.html

The thing is frickin' jewelry.

Yea I remember those, they're sharp! I bet they don't have an application for '65 Galaxies tho.

[parsonsj]

JC,

Based on that picture, you could adapt the factory brake pedal to work with the Tilton remote assembly. Your existing pushrod could be used... the only issue I see is that the balance bar assembly would be in the engine compartment, and I don't know how much room you have.

jp

[The WidowMaker]

my plan is to use the wilwood triple master pedal setup with the mc's in the engine compartment on my 70 chevelle. im shaving the firewall, but i love the mechanical look of them, so no need to hide them. i have no idea what its going to take to mount the pedal setup, but i plan on fabbing up some brackets and reinforcing the firewall a ton.

im going to use the wilwood masters with the aluminum reservoirs since i dont like the plastic ones.

Tim

[cheapthrillz]

JC,

Based on that picture, you could adapt the factory brake pedal to work with the Tilton remote assembly. Your existing pushrod could be used... the only issue I see is that the balance bar assembly would be in the engine compartment, and I don't know how much room you have.

jp

I will snap a picture of the engine bay when I get home from work today.