Push Button Start with Passive Device Key wanted

[mr_hyde]

Update - ordered the RF unit viper suggested and the rest of the relays. I still hoping to have the full schematic confirmed. I think the one I referenced a few posts up did not deal with the illuminated start button issue. Jlm mentioned a different trigger scheme but I don't think I saw it listed. If nothing else, I'll have a small 12v battery on the kitchen table with two meters and a few jumpers and see if I can make some sparks fly!
-hyde

[jlmccuan]

I can't believe this thread is still active. It wasn't my post originally, but since I was working on the same thing at the time, my intent was to give some encouragement to folks that it can be done. I will start a new thread, rather than make folks wander through page after page of stuff that has nothing to do with how to make it work. I hope that the new thread will not become a rehash of the problems of people's business transactions. I totally underestimated the interest in this type of device. I will say this - I will not accept any orders for a solution on a prepaid basis.

A question for the moderator of this forum. Is this the proper forum to open discussion to determine the volume of interest in a secure push to start product?

[vipercuda]

I can't believe this thread is still active. It wasn't my post originally, but since I was working on the same thing at the time, my intent was to give some encouragement to folks that it can be done. I will start a new thread, rather than make folks wander through page after page of stuff that has nothing to do with how to make it work. I hope that the new thread will not become a rehash of the problems of people's business transactions. I totally underestimated the interest in this type of device. I will say this - I will not accept any orders for a solution on a prepaid basis.

A question for the moderator of this forum. Is this the proper forum to open discussion to determine the volume of interest in a secure push to start product?

I will tell all members here that the Flaming River system does work well. We have installed it in two cars at the shop getting ready for SEMA. It takes a bit to install and is wiring intensive. You have top have the remote in the right area but all in all it seems to work quite well.....

Mike

[derekf]

A question for the moderator of this forum. Is this the proper forum to open discussion to determine the volume of interest in a secure push to start product?

I'd say yes - but in it's own thread, please.

[perry mitchell]

Absolutely! I am still very interested. I tried to contact you several times without success. So let's get it done. I was kinda waiting to see if a product would show up at SEMA.

[JohnC]

Absolutely! I am still very interested. I tried to contact you several times without success. So let's get it done. I was kinda waiting to see if a product would show up at SEMA.

I would appreciate if someone could tell me what I'm not understanding here.

Doesn't Flaming River offer this product as already stated?

Is there a reason you guys are not acknowledging it or happy with it? Is there something you guys don't like about it?

You input is important to me because I'm going to put a push-button start in my project (Flaming River or somebodies...)

Thanks

[Radlark]

Well I will take a stab at it, being in the electronics industry and having access to speaking with many engineers, I think the FR piece is a piece of work (meaning a good design)! But at the same time I am always trying to design a mouse trap that is similar but more cost effective with all of the same safety precautions along with the security and piece of mind when you leave your vehicle parked. I think the bottom line regarding the FR piece is pricing, but that is just my OPINION! I too am working on a unit that is close to completion I have 2 units made I am testing them as we speak on a fuel injected vehicle and a carburetor vehicle.

[mr_hyde]

I can't believe this thread is still active. It wasn't my post originally, but since I was working on the same thing at the time, my intent was to give some encouragement to folks that it can be done. I will start a new thread, rather than make folks wander through page after page of stuff that has nothing to do with how to make it work. I hope that the new thread will not become a rehash of the problems of people's business transactions. I totally underestimated the interest in this type of device. I will say this - I will not accept any orders for a solution on a prepaid basis.

A question for the moderator of this forum. Is this the proper forum to open discussion to determine the volume of interest in a secure push to start product?

Jlm,
It is great to see you back! I have put my project on the back burner but I have everything I need in a box waiting for more time. The diagram you originally posted did not indicate exactly where the timer relay comes in. I have tried some things on the bench but was having problems with the latching nature of things. I was thinking about 'wimping out' and putting in a toggle switch for the ignition circuit but that would take all the fun out of things!

It would be great to see a fresh discussion on this without all of the other nonsense. I think many would be interested in a setup where a cheap RFID alarm and a single button could be used to securely start and stop their engine. We anxiously await an update ;)
-hyde

[mr_hyde]

Well I will take a stab at it, being in the electronics industry and having access to speaking with many engineers, I think the FR piece is a piece of work (meaning a good design)! But at the same time I am always trying to design a mouse trap that is similar but more cost effective with all of the same safety precautions along with the security and piece of mind when you leave your vehicle parked. I think the bottom line regarding the FR piece is pricing, but that is just my OPINION! I too am working on a unit that is close to completion I have 2 units made I am testing them as we speak on a fuel injected vehicle and a carburetor vehicle.

+1 Flaming River has a nice product but in the spirit of learning and tinkering, some may want to build their own.
-h

[fairlane347]

Just my 2 cents, I work for the company that builds the system for Flaming River. It was a SEMA last year, as a new product. Our system is really good, but price is a concern. If the current product is a success a newer updated system might be in the works, with less parts and extra features. I mentioned to the guys here it would be cool to adapt passive door entry to the package.

[WILWAXU]

Just my 2 cents, I work for the company that builds the system for Flaming River. It was a SEMA last year, as a new product. Our system is really good, but price is a concern. If the current product is a success a newer updated system might be in the works, with less parts and extra features. I mentioned to the guys here it would be cool to adapt passive door entry to the package.

Yup.. like the direction you are going there. Would like to have one "fob" that unlocks the doors/trunk and also is the "igniter" Keep us up to date!

[DarkoNova]

Yeah, whenever I get my money back from Matt, I'd like to get the Flaming River setup.

Does anyone know if the push button actually stops the engine as well? Or is it just to start it? How do accessories get power?

I'd also like to have a button that says "engine start" or something, rather than just a boring red button.

Matt

[Radlark]

Well my prelim stage is that it is a 2 part system my unit actually unlocks the doors (or pops them if they are shaven) via key FOB, and the second part of the system will energize the ignition system I have a fail safe setup that occurs if you are like walking out to the car to grab something out of the trunk (the ignition circuit will not energize), so far so good I can tell you this I also have a 2008 335i BMW with this exact same system (of course the BMW system is pretty awesome....read as EXPENSIVE!! LOL but my unit.......so far will start and stop the engine!! Keep your fingers crossed I am almost done testing!!

[fairlane347]

Yeah, whenever I get my money back from Matt, I'd like to get the Flaming River setup.

Does anyone know if the push button actually stops the engine as well? Or is it just to start it? How do accessories get power?

I'd also like to have a button that says "engine start" or something, rather than just a boring red button.

Matt

Yes the FR set-up will start and stop the engine. You push the button one to get accessories and then push and hold a split second to start engine. To shut off push button again. Hope I helped. yes right now the button is boring but I think the second release might be different style button.

[JohnC]

Yes the FR set-up will start and stop the engine. You push the button one to get accessories and then push and hold a split second to start engine. To shut off push button again. Hope I helped. yes right now the button is boring but I think the second release might be different style button.

Is it possible to incorporate the cool-looking Honda S2000 Start/Stop button?

Can you just swap out the FR button for that one?

When is the second release coming?

Thanks

John

[DarkoNova]

Yes the FR set-up will start and stop the engine. You push the button one to get accessories and then push and hold a split second to start engine. To shut off push button again. Hope I helped. yes right now the button is boring but I think the second release might be different style button.

Is it possible to incorporate the cool-looking Honda S2000 Start/Stop button?

Can you just swap out the FR button for that one?

When is the second release coming?

Thanks

John

Took the questions right out of my mouth. If the button could easily be swapped for an S2000 one or maybe one out of a newer BMW, I'd buy the Flaming River setup in a heartbeat.

Matt

[bigtyme1]

Took the questions right out of my mouth. If the button could easily be swapped for an S2000 one or maybe one out of a newer BMW, I'd buy the Flaming River setup in a heartbeat.

Matt

I'm in on that as well. Seams like FR has it figured out, just don't like the button

[fairlane347]

Is it possible to incorporate the cool-looking Honda S2000 Start/Stop button?

Can you just swap out the FR button for that one?

When is the second release coming?

Thanks

John

I would think you could swap out the button yourselves, its nothing special. The second release is, I have NO idea, they are not that far.

[scottdidit]

has anyone looked at this?www.keytroller.com/pdf/KISS-GENIE%20Lit%201-08.pdf
I have one here at the shop.. I havent had time to play with it yet
I'm sure it will work and I think it is what everyone is looking for ... well it dosent say start stop.. but other than that.
I was only disapointed that it has a short battery life.

[bigtyme1]

has anyone looked at this?www.keytroller.com/pdf/KISS-GENIE%20Lit%201-08.pdf
I have one here at the shop.. I havent had time to play with it yet
I'm sure it will work and I think it is what everyone is looking for ... well it dosent say start stop.. but other than that.
I was only disapointed that it has a short battery life.

Where did you see battery life? I'm hoping there is a few to look at in SEMA