Push Button Start with Passive Device Key wanted

[496 ci smblk]

hi again
check out handa accessories.com for s2000 starter switch

[matty b]

the button by itself is just a momentary switch, you need other parts to facilitate what hes asking for

[DarkoNova]

My question is, what happens to the steering lock? Do you have to pull the column apart and disable the lock? And what about accessories? Would you have constant on for the radio or something?

Matt

[MrQuick]

I would just use an early version (1967) Ididit colunm. Not hard to disable the locking pin though.

[roadracer55]

lol, i just use a push button in combination with something sneaky - a favorite is to wire the cigarette lighter into the ignition, or a couple of switches on your dash. unless the circuit is complete, no ignition. I have a cutout switch on my oil tank shutoff anyway so the ignition wont fire if the oil line is shutoff. You could wire these switches almost anywhere - e.g. the car only starts with the clutch depressed and the gear level in 2nd..whatever you want, right?

Wire and a couple switches is what, $10?

[matty b]

yes thatll work as will a lot of other things, what it wont do is allow you to press the same button to turn the car on, crank the car and shut it off and provide you with a security system that has no mechanical way of being bypassed. Im actively playing with some parts from delphi right now that gives you the smartkey access for the door locks and ignition switch, stay tuned when I have something together Ill post what I did

[MonzaRacer]

Ok so I was working on a 04 GMC W3500 and its wired basicly like an 04 3500 Sierra, the neat thing is that it had a 6.0 LSx.
Well I found the crank wire goes through a fuse to the ECM, the ECM energizes the wire to a relay enguaging the starter solenoid so these vehicles DONT use an actual key to start the engine. The key simply turns off the ECM and it dies.
Figured out the idiots driving the W3500 had used a fuse tap in fuse box and caused the fuse box terminalsto not make contact to the ECM 1 fuse. I wasted a day tracing down the stupid wires from the key to the computer nad computer to start relay.
SO the later GM LSx can be started easily and RF transmitter causing a relay to energixe the fuse(s) to ECM and a simple push button to the black/whie wire through crank fuse, and tada its running.
Have figure out a master kill so you can kill it in emergency like a toggle switch of push on push off switch somewhere easy to access.
Kind of neet finding these things.

[matty b]

or you could get an alarm system with keyless start functionality. The ecm does ground the starter relay when given the enable message from the BCM. In a swap situation where the security in the computer has been programmed out there is no need to have all that though

[Cruiser]

Frank, you have anything on your set up?

[Tom 72RS/SS]

I've been wondering about that too.

[Cruiser]

Bump for Frank

[crazeflier07]

On an S2000 you have to insert the key and turn it until everything is on and they you just push the button instead of turning the key that one more twist to start. All the kits I have seen have had you use the key in the ignition and then instead of turning the key past on to start you just push the button. Figured it was just a matter of cutting one wire and hooking it up to the push button. At least thats what I thought.
~Jon~

[Cruiser]

The new Nissans you have a fob in your pocket. When you come up to the car you unlock it. Get in and push the button, no key required.

[Tom 72RS/SS]

Lexus has that setup too but since I don't have power door locks in the 72, I would be happy with putting the key in and turning it to the "run" postion then push the button and off I go.
After you push the button again to stop the engine, turn the key to the "off" position, pull it out and go about my merry way. I like it simple, and the cool factor is still there key fob or not. I would also prefer for the key work like normal just in case!
Now if I decide to someday add power window & locks then I'll be looking for a better bell and whistle.

[matty b]

http://www.jegs.com/i/Flaming+River/...y=OrderItemAdd

[Tom 72RS/SS]

No trick remotes but effective.
http://www.watsons-streetworks.com/w...cessories.html

[matty b]

that thing sucks!!! I installed one in a camaro recently and was very pissed off with how it works. When you press the button, the starter engages right away and then reverts to the igniton on position. If you want the scematic on making one and the parts list you can build your own for over half the cost of what they are selling it for. IMO its not worth the hassle to hook it up not to mention you have to wire up a bunch of relays to make it work and you lose the ACC postion of your igntion switch. Avoid that product completely

[MrQuick]

that thing sucks!!! I installed one in a camaro recently and was very pissed off with how it works. When you press the button, the starter engages right away and then reverts to the igniton on position. If you want the scematic on making one and the parts list you can build your own for over half the cost of what they are selling it for. IMO its not worth the hassle to hook it up not to mention you have to wire up a bunch of relays to make it work and you lose the ACC postion of your igntion switch. Avoid that product completely

Why don't you tell us you really feel Matt. LOL. Do you still have it?

[Tom 72RS/SS]

Sorry you had such bad luck with that product but thanks for the heads up for the rest of us. Besides, I'd like the button to say: Push to Start anyway, if I can. I also want something that is relatively simple to wire up without a bunch of relays and hacking into the factory harness and possibly an upgraded version for those that have other accessories to control or need security.

[Jimmy Sean]

that thing sucks!!! I installed one in a camaro recently and was very pissed off with how it works. When you press the button, the starter engages right away and then reverts to the igniton on position. If you want the scematic on making one and the parts list you can build your own for over half the cost of what they are selling it for. IMO its not worth the hassle to hook it up not to mention you have to wire up a bunch of relays to make it work and you lose the ACC postion of your igntion switch. Avoid that product completely

Can I get copy of the schematic? I'm curious how it is done. I could see if you had to crank more than once you would have to run through all the cycles of the button. Push to start, release to the ignition on, push again too turn off, repeat.