Looking for front subframe suspension setup

[avewhtboy]

I am looking for a front subframe, like DSE, Speedtech, Jakes Rodshop, that uses C6 bearing assy, brakes etc with a
hub-hub width of 49-52 inches wide and would like to be able to run power steering.

Anyone make one?

Thanks

[srh3trinity]

Scott Mock (coolwelder62) sells one. C5/c6 control arms and uprights. Fox mustang rack. His price is very reasonable in my opinion. He is currently building mine and several others. Look at the "Cochise" build.

[MuscleRodz]

DSE X-GEN weld in front clip section is 53.5". Close as you probably gonna get. What car is this for?

[avewhtboy]

hey thanks for the responses, I am aware of Scotts, but doesn't appear that he makes one with small enough track width,
this is for a Vega.

[wellis77]

Have you checked with Art Morrison? They have a Sport C6 using C6 spindle and hand-built control arms. I don't know what track-widths that is offered in but their weld-in cross member (non-C6) comes in 48". If you haven't asked them it may be worth a phone call.

[avewhtboy]

I am aware of a lot of non C6 type, aka mustang 2 and derivatives what I am wondering is if the someone can make a dse, speedtech, JRS, etc
in that narrow a track width, and can it be done with power steering, I have been making calls to all the major manufacturers, but never hurts
to put it on a board like this, thus the question.

Ideally, looking at an appleton or sweet power rack, track width as i said around 48-52, 50 being the target, frame width about 28 inches,
trying to fit as big tire up front as possible, like 275,40/17, inside the fender or a small flare, 4 7/8" backspace wheel. 17x9, tire width approx
10 inches, tire height, 25 inches. Stock fender lip-lip is 65 inches, so thats what I have to work with.

Looking to use either late model S10 spindles with the seperated bearing, or turning down rotor to make hub for rotor hat, or use C6 style
spindle/bearing assembly.

Looking for a crossmember to accomplish this, that will correct caster/camber/antidive/bumpsteer/ etc etc.

thanks!

[srh3trinity]

Unless you can find one that works off the shelf, I would call Scott Mock. He might be able to work with track width. Not sure about the rack though as his setup is for a standard Fox Mustang rack.

[dontlifttoshift]

You will have a hard time getting that narrow with corvette control arms like Scott uses.

You mention frame width of 28".....is that outside to outside? If it is you will also have a hard time getting an engine in there.

Look at this, there are dimensions there and I believe this will take a 5" backspace on an 18" wheel.....slightly less on a 17. http://detroitspeed.com/productsall/...gen-frame.html

[avewhtboy]

thats what I dont know, if dse can make one that would work, but not going to bother asking them since I am not willing to drop
that kind of cash, not that it's not worth it, but not in my budget, plus I am more of a do it yourself kind of person.

If Scott could make a crossmember for me that might be the best solution, thats the kind of info I am hoping to gather here.


I am hoping to start mocking up the frame in the next few weeks so I need to get one ordered.


Heres a link to a project journal I have going.

http://forums.h-body.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=37987

[exwestracer]

I have to agree with Donny on this one. A few years ago we did a frame for an S10 that used C4 front suspension, and the control arm mounts literally wrapped around the small-block engine.






There's a reason a lot of projects still use MII architecture...

[avewhtboy]

Hey thanks for the pictures, agreed, vette arms, suspension setup is not what I am after. I am more interested in using
the hub assembly, spindle brakes calipers etc. or like I said in my other post, later model S10 spindles with divorced rotor
setup.

[dontlifttoshift]

That tall of a spindle with relatively short control arms may give less than optimal suspension geometry.

[avewhtboy]

That tall of a spindle with relatively short control arms may give less than optimal suspension geometry.

Which spindle, the corvette, the S10, the GMR, the dse, speedtech?

[dontlifttoshift]

Sorry, Corvette.

[avewhtboy]

Sorry, Corvette.

OK so the corvette spindle and arms probably out of the equation due to narrow track width and too tall
spindle with shorter arms, then, thanks!

So that would narrow it down to late model S10 spindle or F/B/G/S10 spindle with rotor cut down
to allow rotor hat or after market spindle, which their are many....

[Rickey]

I am working on a '73 Vega and using the wield in sleeves to adapt S10 spindles (any year) to my factory control arms. Sounds like you have decided against this- Any big reason or have you tried it with bad results? H-Body forums sound like this creates better geometery and is a great setup.

[avewhtboy]

I am working on a '73 Vega and using the wield in sleeves to adapt S10 spindles (any year) to my factory control arms. Sounds like you have decided against this- Any big reason or have you tried it with bad results? H-Body forums sound like this creates better geometery and is a great setup.

Hey Rickey, my name is Ricky lol,

From what I understand, the control arm pickup points from the factory are not designed for
"handling" which can only be corrected by either altering the stock mount locations or just scrapping
the whole thing and starting from scratch which is what I am doing so I can fit the tires I want.

On the H-body forum do a search for a project thread by Ishiftem, he has done quite a bit of research
on this, I would like to accomplish what he has, except using new frame rails....

Initially I had planned similar to you but I made a phone call to Marcus at SC&C and was informed of
the problems with just bolting on some control arms and a new spindle.

[Samckitt]

I have to agree with Donny on this one. A few years ago we did a frame for an S10 that used C4 front suspension, and the control arm mounts literally wrapped around the small-block engine.




There's a reason a lot of projects still use MII architecture...

What is the width (hub to hub) of the front of an S10?

[exwestracer]

Scot,
We have a 2WD 1st gen S10 in the shop right now. I can let you know tomorrow if no one else has that info.

[coolwelder62]

Since my name has been thrown out there.I guess I will chime in.Getting the 48"-50" hub face is going to be hard since the C-5/C-6 control arm's are quite long.About 54" hub face could be done using a Sweet rack & pinion.But that give you about a 28"Out to Out frame width.If I use 1.50"X4.0" rec tube you would have a 25" inside frame measurement.I would need to know more about the project in order to know if what I build could work.Scott Mock.