Getting closer........

[Jim Nilsen]

Are you using the Accel Dual Sync? Can you send over the instructions that Ron sent you

Yes it is a dual sync. The instructions that I have from accel are online at thruster dfi.com and then there are the ones from RSX302 that can be found in the fuel injection section. I will bump them to the top for you to find easier.

Thanks

[Jim Nilsen]

I've tried a few more times today and still no results.

I'm moving on to putting the car together and the EMIC missed his chance to do his job while the fenders were off. I can't fathom how someone can not need $500 as soon as they can make it these days? For that kind of money I would lose sleep and drive 100 miles ASAP. I am hoping he can make it on monday.

[Ron S]

Jim,most (not all) Systems feed the injectors hot all the time and pulse the ground out of the pcm.If it is irratic,it really sounds like a lifted ground some were.That can be one of the hardest things to find.Check with a voltmeter if the injectors have power when the key is on,that way you know if it is pcm negative feed or pcm pos. feed.At least then,you know if your chasing a ground or a pos.,and you don't waist alot of time looking in the wrong direction.Ron

[Jim Nilsen]

Jim,most (not all) Systems feed the injectors hot all the time and pulse the ground out of the pcm.If it is irratic,it really sounds like a lifted ground some were.That can be one of the hardest things to find.Check with a voltmeter if the injectors have power when the key is on,that way you know if it is pcm negative feed or pcm pos. feed.At least then,you know if your chasing a ground or a pos.,and you don't waist alot of time looking in the wrong direction.Ron

Thanks for the tip, it will make it a lot easier to find knowing that.

I am going thru and doing a complete check of all of the systems and I will be getting to the EFI by tommorow morning so that it is all fresh in my mind when the EMIC arrives and it will give me a chance to think things out a bit more with all of the things that have been tried.

I talked to Mike Holleman for about 1/2 an hour and went thru what has been done and it comes down to several things we have already done but can still be a problem if the voltage to the ecu is not enough from his experience.

When the problem is solved it will be interesting to know what it was.

Thanks again and I hope to see you with my car at RTTH.

[Jim Nilsen]

Just did a system check on the DCC controller with the heat gun and it works like a dream. The water pump starts nice and smooth and ramps up just like advertised and the fan does the same. I have the biggest capacitors I could fit in and they seem to do a good job.

Bled the brakes one more time just to be sure and the pedal is just a bit better than it was. After a week of sitting I got a few small bubbles to come out and that's it.

Checked all of the lines for leakes and don't see any in the fuel,brakes ,or cooling system. Power steering seems good but won't really know for sure until the pump starts up with the engine.

It looks like the time for the fenders to come down off of the wall and find their real home.

I have a few places that still need some Damplifier on them.

I have to make the wiring harness for the fuel pump and some wiring for the headlights ,horns and the turn signals once the front clip is on and hope that the EFI wiring is really ok and that my problems are elsewhere like programming.

I'll be ordering parts first thing in the morning to finish the list of small items I need like seatbelts and mirrors.

I am going to have to rely on my own alignment for the suspension to get it out the door and down to RTTH if I don't get running by tuesday. Wednesday will be a thrash if things go good.

I don't want to miss anything so if you guys see something questionable in the pics I am going to post don't be shy to tell me.

I keep telling myself others have made it with less time and more to do. Things won't be all done for the interior but then again it will drive just fine with wire ties and duct tape as some of you have proven to me,lol.

I think I can..................

[Jim Nilsen]

Well it's been a morning that has led me to another option to try with the wiring after talking to Dave at Accel so I will be trying that soon.

I also found another number to someone close to me in Byron IL. that has to call me back when he gets the message I left.
The guy who says he can help that I have been trying line up a time doesn't think he can get here until thursday which is tool late for the RTTH trip.

I am praying that the next time thru will get me going.

Dave at Accel also informed me that if I have an older dual sync distributor that I only have to go past the first red light and then lock down instead of thesecond one.

So if I go back and set the distributor like I had been and hook up the wires the way he says which between the two ways I have been doing things but not at the same time maybe things will be alright.

I am going to go thru it in my mind about 3 times and then give it a try after doing the injector test that Ron has instructed me how to do.

I would really be the happiest guy to get it started without having to pay $500 to get it started.

So close yet so far away.

I haven't set up the camera yet at startup time and maybe it's time to get the tripod out and go for it. It would be so cool to have start up for the first time and have a video clip of it.

The suspense is getting to me as to when it will fire up.

[Payton King]

Just have my fingers crossed for you....waiting for an update.

[Jim Nilsen]

OK , I just got back from lunch with my godmother and I am starting the sequence of events that I hope leads me to get this running.

I just got done talking to Nastalgia Lane and they are going to come out later to appraise the car. The insurance company is going to call me back in a few to tell me what it will cost for insurance and what the policy will be .

I have 4.7mv at each injector on the positive side. Is this good Ron?

I am going to check the harness one more time to be sure of the connections just one more time.

Then do the drill of setting everything the way I was instructed this morning.

I'll check back in a bit to see if the 4.7mv is correct.

I have my fingers crossed too!

[Jim Nilsen]

Just got thru to the guy close to me that works on these units and he told me I should have 12 volts at the injectors so there is something not right I am checking the wiring to see if I can find the problem.

If things go good for this guy he said he might be able to make it out tonight to help and he has a pro-key he can hook up to it.

Things just might come together as good as I could hope for today.

[Jim Nilsen]

Just found the reason I didn't have 12v at the injectors and I now have 12.57 volts at each one. I also just checked and the fuel pump is getting triggered when each cylinder is supposed to fire.

So there is one thing down several more to go.

I'll keep updating as I go.

[Motown 454]

Good luck Jim . It definatly not for lack of trying. I'm with Payton my Fingers crossed for you.

[Jim Nilsen]

I have finally gotten a code #72 about my cam and crank .

it reads :MIL set, ecm forces cam position if ecm is restarted before error is cleared , cam sequence is random.

At least I finally got a code.

The harness was definately assembled wrong and it is right now. The fact that it was wrong may have made it so i never got the right error code before? When I got thru to Dave at Accel and he gave me the wiring connection placement and I verified it with what I thought was wrong and Matt verified with the schematic and Matt changed it, the harness is now correct definately for certain.

The problem I am having now is clearing the code. When I push the F8 button on the screen it sends me to a screen that does nothing. I am not sure what to do at this point.

I am going to go out and see if I can figure it out and reset the system somehow.

I think once I clear the code and redo the sequence of timing the distributor and configure the system again I might have it ready to start.

If I would have had enough confidence in my observation of the harness being bad from the factory and just changed it instead of believing that it was bench tested and should work I would have been days ahead. Now I know I am a better electrician than I thought and know that Matt is very good at his job too.

I hope it doesn't take a hammer to clear the code, LOL

[Jim Nilsen]

I had to call the appraiser and ask where he was and he ended up having a medical problem and won't be out until tommorow morning.

Anyone want to take a guess at what he will say the Cormaro is worth?

If it helps you guess, I have $30,000 in parts and materials in it and 17 years worth of random work totaling who knows how many hrs. of engineering and real labor.

[Jim Nilsen]

Tried last night to clear the code and it is not cooperating.

This the damndest computer program ever. Between it and Vista I have to believe there should be some programmers out of work in this economy.

I'm not giving up but I am close.

Any ideas?

[Motown 454]

Is there any way you can use a remote access program so Accell can see your sreen maybe they can figure it out from there.

[Mike Holleman]

Is there any way you can use a remote access program so Accell can see your sreen maybe they can figure it out from there.

You are lucky when you manage to get Accel on the phone. Usually 1 in 8 attempts. I can't imagine what a computor hookup would require. They need some serious work on their tech instructions as well as a better phone system and hire a few more techs. They don't even offer voice mail. When you call and don't get thru you get a recording that tells you that you can get help at the web site, email 'em or keep dialing til you get lucky. I got way more help from other sources than from Accel. Frank at Prodigy is pretty good with the Gen 7 system.

[Ron S]

Sorry I didn't see your post Jim, I've been thrashing on my junk. This is the precise reason I recommend factory GM pcm's,(thousands of people know them). Most of the time they will run,once you've corrected the problem, even with the failure code stored. I hate to say I just don't know enough about Accel to give you any valuable info. Ron

[Jim Nilsen]

Sorry I didn't see your post Jim, I've been thrashing on my junk. This is the precise reason I recommend factory GM pcm's,(thousands of people know them). Most of the time they will run,once you've corrected the problem, even with the failure code stored. I hate to say I just don't know enough about Accel to give you any valuable info. Ron

I can remember in 2006 I almost got an LS motor for 3k complete and was going to sell the Accel DFI unit and the engine together or separate to off set the cost. Andrew even told me I wasn't crazy for for thinking that way. But I decided I was a lot closer this way and that the accel unit would be a good unit to get the job done.If I had known I was going to have to go thru this I would have taken the 5k plunge to do it.

I have pretty much stopped on the EFI problem and started to concentrate on the final things to really finish off the car. There isn't any way I could get things together in 2 days now and have a good day of testing it for roadworthiness unless Frank and the Prodigy crew showed up. Then it would still be close with the insurance company and the appraiser.

But things are still good because I am riding shotgun with Matt and will be seeing you all at RTTH. I am bringing my laptop and camera and a couple of disc for Steve Rupp so he has pics of the Cormaro for the in progress pages.

I think I have a guy lined up that sounded more capable and eager to get to my place and he is 20 minutes from where I live and will be a good place to do a drive to and get a little help with tuning when I might need it.

Lots of little things in the interior need to get done and waiting to put the front clip on will be a lot easier to get the engine running too.

I want to make sure everything is good before I get on the road for a trip like that and with the horror stories I have heard about these EFI units it might be a better thing.

I am looking forward to seeing everyone friday.

Thanks everyone for the help and cheering me on ,it really helped me keep motivated to keep trying.

[Motown 454]

You'll get it.

[John Wright]

You'll get it.

Yup...keep after it buddy! Wish I could help, but this is way out of my league. I'm still trying to learn to work with the old factory ECM on my car.

On the positive side: Just think of the help and advice you can offer to someone else struggling with the Accel stuff once you get all of this behind you.