Getting closer........

[Jim Nilsen]

That is the magic question. when I look at the dual sync harness schematic there is a 12" pink wire coming back from the cam plug to the main plug and a 54" pink wire coming out of pin A and going to the CD ignition. both of those pink wires are not there and never were.

Like you ask, where does the CD igniton hook up to? Does it just go to a switched ignition source anywhere or does it have to hook up to the pink wire from the cam plug which would just be a loop that goes back to where I would connect the 6A red/white stripe wire to.

The blue EST wire goes directly out of the ecu to the 6A ignition box. The blue wire that goes to the plug is terminated at the feed to the harness so a return wire is not needed as shown in the cam/crank harness.

So I have no pink or blue wires to return from the plug at the harness and if they did it would seem redundant or useless.

I'm confused as to why the blue EST wire goes to the plug and terminates instead of coming back, but it is connected directly from the ecu to the 6A box and maybe doesn't need to?

When the harness doesn't match up to the schematic and you have a problem with the cam and crank code coming up it makes me wonder what is wrong or missing?

I am going to search for the other end of the blue wire from the ignition harness plug back from where it is terminated to see where it takes me?

I want to stop and do other things but this is compelling me to not stop until I get it traced down.

Mother @#$#$!%$% I just lost all I typed. Here it is again

Call Accel and ask if the CD ignition box should have its own seperate ignition source ( red / white wire ) or if it should tie in on the print at the ignition plug pin " A " for the DFI system.

Either way you will have to connect Pin " A " in parallel with contact #30 on the #1 relay to get the 12v you need for the distributor. ( once its in parallel you will have continuity between IGN pin A, HEGO pin D, MIL pin A, and Relay #1 pin 30 ( red / white wire according to the print )

[Jim Nilsen]

Just traced the blue wire and it is just as I left it with it taped off after cutting it and going directly from the ecu to the EST blue wire to the 6A box as the instructions say and I also remember calling and verifying it.

All of the wires are where they are supposed to be with the exception of where does the red/white line wire connect? The instructions say run to a switched ignition source. That is where I had it wired to start with.

I also found that I do have power to the #30 to pin A , that bugger is hard to get to by yourself and the end that was clipped wasn't connecting well for the test.

The cam/crank +- wires that were switched may have hurt the distributor ? and the reason it wouldn't start and still won't.

Now that I have all of the wires that are pertinent to the ignition sorted out and labeled good for future reference for others I hope it will make the visual check for the other harness and distributor.

If I knew how to check the disributor I would pull it out and check it myself. I can check diodes and capacitors but the chip itself ? The led's light up and the injectors get a firing signal, the coil seems to want to work.

last time it was checked the light in the 6A box was trying to fire the coil, but without the right cam timing the spark is random.

Maybe something will come to mind that hasn't?

Now on to the center dash and install some gauges.

[bigshotsho93]

man i wish i knew more about electronics i would be there trying to help you out. but all i can do is wish you luck hope you find the problem soon

[Jim Nilsen]

man i wish i knew more about electronics i would be there trying to help you out. but all i can do is wish you luck hope you find the problem soon

You can still come by and I'll find something for you to do , color sanding is so much fun,lol. I do have a rear sway bar that needs to be modified and and installed if you are up to it ?

You can just stop by and have a beer and check things out. The car changes daily even if it doesn't show at first glance.

Looking forward to seeing you soon.

[Jim Nilsen]

Step one of the center gauge piece. 4hrs. down another 4 or so to go.

Now I have to figure out where to put the gauges?

To the copy machine I go to make some mockups to move around.

A bit of Bad Penny with a perforated twist.

[Jim Nilsen]

I have a couple of switches to add to the mix along with some lights if I want. Switches for sure are for the water pump and fan overrides and who knows what else. I might add more gauges later. Brake pressure and vacuum/boost would make for 3 more. don't really need them but I have room for plenty more.

Here's a few pics of different configurations.

Which one do you like?

[protour73]

Holy Crap Jim........I just went through all of the pages of this thread. What an awesome build!!! and you are right up in Rockford.... practically in my backyard.
I'd love to see the car in person after you finish it.

BTW, who was the appraiser you had come out. I need to do that myself.

Scott

[Ralph LoGrasso]

I have a couple of switches to add to the mix along with some lights if I want. Switches for sure are for the water pump and fan overrides and who knows what else. I might add more gauges later. Brake pressure and vacuum/boost would make for 3 more. don't really need them but I have room for plenty more.

Here's a few pics of different configurations.

Which one do you like?

Hey Jim,

All of those gauge configurations look pretty good, but if you want my $.02 I think I like the last one best.

[Jim Nilsen]

Holy Crap Jim........I just went through all of the pages of this thread. What an awesome build!!! and you are right up in Rockford.... practically in my backyard.
I'd love to see the car in person after you finish it.

BTW, who was the appraiser you had come out. I need to do that myself.

Scott

Hi Scott, you can come up and see the car anytime.

The appraisal was done by Nastalgia Lane in Machesney Park just a few miles away from me. They do a lot of original restorations and some modified musclecars mostly, so they know the cost of just buiding a musclecar and a PT car was something they understood the amount of time and labor involved with the cost of the parts.

www.nostalgialane.com

The appraisal was $125 to come to my house and $100 if I could have driven there.

[Jim Nilsen]

I had to go get a 2.5 in. hole saw this morning. It actually made a hole 2.508-2.513 hole. now if I would have gotten the 2 5/8 in. it would have made a 2.750 hole,lol.

6 hrs. into it so far and now onto the perforated face and some push buttons just in case I need them for the pump and fan. I can actually put in warning lights that would be activated by the Racepak gauges if needed for times when you can't look but need the annoying light.

I have room for 2 more gauges if I want down in each corner.

[Jim Nilsen]

2 more hrs and a bit more to go.

I still can't decide where to put the switches and I have to touch up the surface and paint it black to match the rest of the dash.

I hope tommorow is good enough weather to paint ?

I included a pic of how I drilled out the holes in the perforated aluminum. The little vise clamp always saves the day to hold things down.

[Jim Nilsen]

I have been working onthe interior all week and waiting for monday when the tuner might actually show up? I hope so.

The weather didn't cooperate so I had to set up inside to paint the gauge pod. The rear package tray pieces are in and need just a bit of trimming to fit the edge trim on and a few more screws.

Here are a couple of pics of the weeks progress.

The door panels are next.

[Motown 454]

Looks Good Jim. I hope he shows up Monday and gets it figured out for you.

[Jim Nilsen]

I keep getting prepared for when the tuner gets here and I am getting anxious to hear the car run.

A call to the insurance man is in order today since I haven't heard back from him ? I want to drive the car this year and if he doesn't come through I am sure someone will. I am still not sure what to insure it for but 60k seems like a good place to start?

If it all comes together I might have a driving car by the weekend I keep hoping.

[bigshotsho93]

I would be bouncing off the walls if i had to wait for someone else to come and help with my car. Im surprised your not calling the Tuner guy every half hour to see where hes at. (I probably would be) LOL.

As far as insurance goes i would be tempted to insure it for the full value of the appraisal. That way if GOD FORBID something would to happen, cause we all know **** happens, the full value of the car would be returned to you. But that might be a bit costly for a premium. Just my $.02.
anyways i hope he shows up today.

[Jim Nilsen]

It's alive !!!!!!!!

Took a bit of work but it runs.

The distributor was still good and the changes made to the harness with Matt were the right configuration needed and after we got the distributor timed to the second light going out and not the first it started up with 10 degrees of forced timing.

The tuner tried to get a better tune on it so it would idle smooth but there is a few other things that need to be sorted out that could help. It got late and he had to go. He is going to make me up a file that might run better. He says it would help if I was to get the cam specs.He believes the cam is much bigger than I thought it was.

I tried to upload a video but it wouldn't go.

I'll try another later, I'm tired and need a beer !!!!

[Jim Nilsen]

Just going over the things that worked good so far and came up with a bit more faith in some of the new parts that made the transition from the Racepump fuel pump to electric and the DCC controller situation and then there is the Howe throwout bearing....

The fuel system dialed in with a 1/2 turn back and stays at 42.5 and doesn't vary a 1/2lb one way or the other and stayed right where the regulator was turned to.

The DCC controllers turned the water pump on at 195 degrees going on 200 degrees and then it went right down to 177 degrees and stayed there until we got fumed out with the richness of fuel. The fan would have probably come on if the engine had run another 10 minutes.

AHHHHHHHHH the smell of a new car coming to life !!!!!!

The clutch seems to work flawlessly. The feel is a lot better than the first design and it stops right in a good spot and has little pressure to hold it down. The wheels would stay still until the clutch was released and the shifting seemed smooth.

The Racepak gauges made keeping an eye on everything easy. The tach was reading off and needs to be calibrated but the fuel pressure and other gauges all were working great and even the power steering temp was showing 97 degrees at the one time I checked. The steering didn't make any noises and seemed to be working well.

So it was a good day and more tommorow.

Yeeeee HAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Martin71RS]

Congrats Jim, that's a major milestone reached!!

[avewhtboy]

Great job, persisitance paid off. Now we need video

[Payton King]

it running. You are better person than me. I would have made a late night victory lap around the neighborhood.