Yet Another E85 Thread.....

[MonzaRacer]

Jimmy, ethanol isnt a lost energy product, it takes about 33k to 3k btu to produce one gallon of 77k btu fuel grade ethanol.
Now dont go blaming everything on ethanol production as a large part comes from left overs from making HFCS (high Fructose corn syrup), corn starches, corn oil, etc AND left overs create cattle feed.
Food prices from what information several college groups are finding is the devaluation of the dollar NOT freaking ethanol.
NOW dont for get it the tree hugging liberal idiots that "mandated" oxygenates in our fuel, at time no ethanol infrastructure so MTBE, which is by product of petroleum distillation, and its cheap. THEN as fuel get reformulated more production goes down, it gets more expensive.
Now another issue shows up in lat 90s, MTBE is polluting ground water and its toxic to infants,kids and pregnant women.
SO the next best NON TOXIC oxygenate is ethanol, and technology, other food/food stuff that can support some ethanol production is in place. Now when the farmers were being paid to not plant anything (land bank) and other crops get cheaper than we can produce them,,,farmers are going broke. So there is sugar beets, sorghum, and cattle feed corn are used for ethanol production,
NOW the subsidies were supposed to start sunsetting in '09 or '10 as they were there to simply help get infrastructure set up (ie plants to make it available).
I have yet to see any damage on cars with E10, E85 is awesome as race fuel and I hope to run it in my Monza and maybe my Caprice down the road,,,been working on a sellable E85 FI kit but got so much gaff for it I set it aside.
The bad thing is the Democrats reset the subsidies back to where they used to be. Again it take act of Congress to MAKE something start but a literal miracle to ever let something DIE.
Now figure out this one, E85 DOES help American farmers, so dollars over seas or dollars to American farmers,,,no brainer
E85 generally will end up even with out subsidies similar in price to 87/89 octane fuels.
E85 does keep things clean and as long as you not vented to atmosphere, which you really shouldnt be anyway, doesnt really cause issues but minor amount of care in storage and car design is needed.
Pretty much any fuel line you buy today in rubber or plastic, is ethanol compatible.
E85 with simple timing/jet change can actually, from evidence, make more power, give you MORE knock resistance, especially under boost apps, and it just plain works, if you can find cheaper 105+ octane then by all means go for it.
BUT E85 local to me is no more than 10 miles away and if my car is set up to run it and gas with little issue, I like that.
Here is a link from about 5 or 6 yrs and 30 pages where guys are suing it, making more power and its tried and true evidence:
http://www.theturboforums.com/smf/turbo-tech-questions-only!!!/1000rwhp-with-$2-fuel-e85-is-pretty-cool-stuff/



Think about it several guys are making more power from filling up and adjusting accordingly and spending less for fuel.
I know when I worked in Bloomington cheapest race fuel was 110 TurboBlue/Cam 2 at 5.999 a gallon,,,,local E85 to me the other day is 2.999.
So if I can get my fuel half price, use maybe 25% to 40% more its still saves me money AND it IS legal in street.
I know one thing if the local farmers including people who farm my families land are making money off of selling corn, Im happy. I also know that UNLESS its fouled for human consumption, human food stuff corn doesnt go into ethanol production and the areas that sell seed corn sell approximately X% food corn and X% cattle feed in areas, this is way local seed grain suppliers get specific amounts of each type needed to meet their estimated supplies for following year.
I know last year we (family) planted mostly cattle feed, year before mostly human food grade corn, but in all respect I cant tell difference as my grandfather taught me when to go pull ears before it hardened to we could get corn on cob from field, not bad actually.
Oh and Im still alive too. Supposedly because cattle have four stomachs its different hardness and other issues they can break the other type down easier. big thing I like about local plant is that friend buys wet and dry cattle feed and his beef is always awesome as he only feeds enough grass/clover/alfalfa to keep the meat quality up. And its cheaper than regular cattle feed and higher protein for them.
A few stupid people bash something yet never do enough research, then people similar to you get jaded by bad information and incorrect application of it.
I for one will plan for its use, use it and recommend it to people as cheap high octane alternative till it goes away, which wont be very soon. If my taxes are subsidizing int then Ill get my moneys worth!