Pro-Touring Mustang

[bnickel]

there is also another option for the front coilover type suspension that is still in the pre-production phase at the moment. the guy making it hangs out at www.stangnet.com in the classic forums he goes by dolfan87 so do a search on his username over there and you can see what he's building. he's trying to get everyting setup so that the fianl cost to the customer will be under 2 grand, and he has plenty of suspension knowledge as well since his uncle and him build trophy trucks. i'll try to post a link to the thread with the latest pics of his system in a little bit. the quality is as good or better than tcp or GW as well.

[bnickel]

here is the link to the pics

http://homepage.mac.com/jbauder/PhotoAlbum45.html

and another

http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?t=499390

keep in mind that these are the pre-production pieces so they aren't even painted yet in these pics. he's hoping to have all the suppliers lined out and all the legal stuff done soon so he can start selling these kits

[DarkBuddha]

here is the link to the pics

http://homepage.mac.com/jbauder/PhotoAlbum45.html

and another

http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?t=499390

keep in mind that these are the pre-production pieces so they aren't even painted yet in these pics. he's hoping to have all the suppliers lined out and all the legal stuff done soon so he can start selling these kits

Graham's setup is damn nice, and should be significantly cheaper than the big players (TCP, GW, etc.). When the time comes, he'll get my coin.

[GT350Clone]

Thanks for the mention, phonedude! I don't make it by here much lately - so many forums, so little time!

[Steve1968LS2]

I'm not sure about the turbo 347, but as another option to look into, you could get 600hp at the crank pretty easily with an '03+ Cobra drivetrain. A pulley, all bolt-ons, tuning and a few other things should get you there, or very close. If that 600hp goal is at the rear wheels, swap out the SC for a Kenne Bell, up the boost and you should get there as well. These engines take very well to mods from what I've been reading. I'm not sure how much these engines are selling for used, but I think an '03+ Cobra drivetrain would be awesome. Just another option .

That is ONE expensive engine to buy. I think a new one from Ford is $12,000. Compare that to a new LS6 or even a new LS2 and be amazed. The problem is that the LSx engines are found in many applications so the costs are cheaper. Well that and the fact that the SVT Ford motor is a blower motor so you KNOW those have to cost more. Also, they are HARD to find in a wrecked car since there just are not many new Cobras made in the first place.

With all that said it would be a sweet set-up!

[Ralph LoGrasso]

That is ONE expensive engine to buy. I think a new one from Ford is $12,000. Compare that to a new LS6 or even a new LS2 and be amazed. The problem is that the LSx engines are found in many applications so the costs are cheaper. Well that and the fact that the SVT Ford motor is a blower motor so you KNOW those have to cost more. Also, they are HARD to find in a wrecked car since there just are not many new Cobras made in the first place.

With all that said it would be a sweet set-up!

Damn! I didn't realize they were that expensive. 12k is ridiculous. Build the 'stang with a blown or turbo LS1 :icon996:

[phonedude_mln]

Thanks for the mention, phonedude! I don't make it by here much lately - so many forums, so little time!

so Cloney does make it over here! ;-)

re: engine... I know this is defnitely lower tech than a new
cobra engine or even a turbo small block, but a big ol' FE
just can't be beat. if you have a machine shop you trust, get
a junkyard 390 and get a stroker kit for it:

http://www.flatlanderracing.com/strokerford-390430.html

or, if you're willing to write a big check, get a $9k, 500hp FE
crate engine from Keith Craft:

http://www.keithcraft.com/our_engines.html

lots of satifisied customers on www.clubcobra.com. put a tunnel
wedge intake and pent roof valve covers on it and you have
a beautiful, potent engine.

http://www.musclecarcalendar.com/Fea...lbyGT500P2.htm

or

http://www.gessford.com/cobras.htm

obligatory P/T reference: FEs are ~ 100lbs lighter than 429s/460s.

289/302 - 460 lbs
351W - 525 lbs
390-428 FE - 620 lbs
429/460 - 720 lbs

data from: http://raceabilene.com/kelly/hotrod/engine.html

FEs are surprisingly light for a big block.

[Restomod]

03/04 Cobra engines can be found but yes they are not cheap but the long block is bullet proof ...OR ..You can get the new Ford GT engine to go in it.WARNING NOT FOR THE FAINT OF WALLET http://www.karkraft.com/engines.htm

[MrQuick]

hey guys, this is for you late model Mustang/Cobra guys...Are 99+ equipt with front suspension cradles that are removable and if so would it be possible to just adapt the whole (cradle,suspension and engine mounts) front to an early uni body?

[Restomod]

I have not seen a late model "K" member under a early car.Fatman make a kit to use the late style struts under the early car.

[MrQuick]

so the "K" member is removable? any sites with pictures? thanks in advance

[kmracer]

The SC Cobra engine is being used quite a bit lately,it takes the use of one of the front end kits but VERY nice way to go. BUT if you do go 347 make sure of what kit/short/long block you get,some 347's are very prone to useing oil.331,393 or 408 stroker Windsor may be better choices.

if you go with a kit from chp it eliminates that problem(wrist pin protruding into oil ring)
imo a 347 would be alittle eayser and cheaper... its 11k just for a brand new one...then a front clip...

[kmracer]

Hey you guys, this outpouring of information is amazing!! Right now, my rough, general plan is - (Please feel free to critique)

-(Twin) Turbo 351w or 408
-GW, TCP or Griggs front suspension (should I go with coilovers or not? please share your opinion)
-Upgraded rear leaf suspension (Del-a-lum bushings, 2" drop, torque arm)
-17 or 18" Halibrand's or Magnum 500's (I like a "vintage" look to the exterior)
-Nitto 555's
-C5 Corvette Seats (I've fallen in love with them for overall comfort/support), uphostered to match originals
-4 piston 13" brakes up front, 2 piston 12" brakes out back

Thanks again

Oh and Tyler - I named my Camaro "Beauregard" because after being around the car for a while, I just felt it fit. When I name my cars, there's usually no rhyme or reason, just wahtever comes to me and seems to "fit" well. That said, I think Beauregard is a really cool name!!

ook.... i would either go with a rrs front or gw..... most others are pricey... gw also does a great db setup in kahoots with wilwood ...
for the money rrs is a good deal. they also come with brakes... oh... and im not too sure about the engine... ive herd that 289/302's tend to split blocks at 600hp? so id probly go with either a wp or sportsman block...f i had a choice id def. go with worldproducts hhaa then stroke it to 460 :3gears:
id also go with nitto 555r's out back to hold that power so you dont do that^^

[Restomod]

Yes the "K" is emoveable from all Mustangs from 79-05. Mod and 5.0 k's are different though.

[MrQuick]

thank you Restomod ! I've been keeping an eye out on ebay for a totalled Cobra...do you think the lightning powerplant would be a better choice? Bunch of those around here.

[kmracer]

you can buy tubular ones from summit or jegs....
summit...QA1 $238
jegs....AJE $354
AJE one looks more complete....

[Restomod]

Lightning engines are a very good choice,great parts for it and there cheaper!!

[preston]

Or you could just build everything yourself from the ground up....


That's what worked best for me:

http://www.carter-engineering.com/pr...7compcoupe.htm


BTW I just moved from a 800rwhp NOVI2000 combination (400 sbf) to a twin turbo (GT35) on the same motor. Hvaen't dynoed it yet but I've got one thing to say - Go turbo !!

[Mean 69]

Or you could just build everything yourself from the ground up....

Having followed Preston's build, studying all that is available commercially, and trying to figure out what I wanted to do with my own 65 FB, I'd have to second Preston's comments. Nothing good comes easy, and unfortunately, there is a lot more junk out there than there are really capable, track-worthy suspension solutions for these cars. Everyone is different though, so what I, or someone like Preston, want from a car may be way over the top for most other folks. It is just a question of what you want the car to do, and what compromises you are willing to live with. Just be careful though, hanging with the likes of Preston will most likely have a significant effect on you, and the addiction to learning and doing more is incurable. Now how would I know that?!

Mark

[Restomod]

I have seen Prestons super car before and I must say that the man has got his sheet together!! I as many other early Mustang guys have been going nuts over what front suspension to go with....big $$$ and to many choices not enought real info of what works. Unfotunately a set up like Prestons is not very easy or practical on the street.