RTH2 Results Are In!

[Steve1968LS2]

What's really amazing is how well that air ride Tech stuff does in competition. I'm very impressed. Thanks for all the great feedback.

Tony had VERY favorable things to say about the air ride Tech equipped cars.. That stuff DOES work.

However.. not all air "bag" systems equate.. I only look at the ART stuff as being "performance" all the other stuff is strictly show.

Now we need to trailer Penny and g/28 out there for next years gig

Think we could talk Tony into showing up again to drive??

[Tony Bolton]

Think we could talk Tony into showing up again to drive??

I think i'll suddenly come down with some disease like that "Bubble Boy" that couldn't survive outside his bubble. Only my illness will force me to stay behind the wheel of a PT car 24/7!!! Oh such torture!!!!

[bret]

The GSX has a 455 that made 530hp @ 5800 The car weighs 3950 without driver. It has a 275-40/18 rear and a 245-40/18 front BF Goodrich G Force tires.
The 66 Chevelle has a Jasper 383 w/ aluminum heads that made 430hp @ 6000. It has a 700R4 transmission. It has a 275-40/17 rear and a 245-40/17 front BF Goodrich G Force tire. I have not yet weighed this car.
The 71 Camaro also has an identical Jasper 383 with a 4L60e trans. It has the same size tires as the GSX except they are the BF Goodrich KDW. It weighs around 3650 without driver.

We took the GSX and the black Camaro on the Power Tour this year in their existing trim. The GSX actually has over 10,000 miles this year...I drive it back and forth to work.

I agree with Tony that the Chevelle has to be the easiest car I have ever driven. the cool thing is that all of these cars are using off the shelf parts and street alignment settings. All we had to do to go home was turn the shocks back down and re-fuel!

[Tony Bolton]

I'll also add that the front tires on these HEAVY machines indicated zero to very little tire roll-over. At this particular event/course, tire rollover is a real issue(I know mine is subject to that).

However, these cars had such a good working suspension that rollover was not the issue I first expected it to be. Well, except Bills 81 Malibu that had like 17lbs in the back Nitto drag radials! HA! I put 40 in there next outting it was good.

Lastly, I never felt that the car I was piloting was over 3500lbs. The car just did everything good. Brake dive wasn't there, excessive sway......nope. The tires stayed in contact with the surface and soaked up any imperfections without letting me feel them.

Just great setup cars from valve stem to head liners!!!

[69rs]

None of the stock clip cars ran sub 70 second times. The exception is the Nova--which is comparable to an F-body. It crashed, so there was no chance for Tony to run that car. It had full blown level 3 DSE suspension. Maybe Tony could have pulled a 63 if he had the cnahce to run it. Steve Moore left early, Jason Huber had to leave so early that he never ran, and David Sloan passed on having Tony drive his car.
Given a low estimate, Tony was able to shave 6 seconds off of every car (except Kyle who actually knows how to drive). David Sloan's car went 73.544 which means that Tony probably could have pulled a 66 or 67 out of it. Trust me--If Bill's hefty 81 Malibu can pull a 66.788 on skinny tires, your Camaro can do it. The stock clip cars work fine.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE LEARNED AT RTH2 FOLKS
Tires and driver. Say it with me peoples. Tires and driver. Beyond that, Pro-Touring cars and and pro-touring parts are fairly equal. On street tires, the difference between all of our cars is a second here or there on the AxH track. And on the street, the distinction is downright negligible. Buy what you like and can afford.

p.s. If you want to run a sub 65 at next year's AutoX from Hell, you had better bring minimum R compound street tires and some real safety gear or you might crash and get hurt. I'm not kidding. Otherwise plan on running a 65-plus. You'll have a blast.

David has a stock subframe with coilovers.
I have a stock subframe with 700lb. Landrum springs and Edelbrock shocks and a mild 350 / 4 speed. I had a best of 69.461. I wish I had asked Tony to drive mine!

[BA.]

None of the stock clip cars ran sub 70 second times. The exception is the Nova--which is comparable to an F-body.

Just checking here, but didn't the blue 69 SS/RS Camaro 'Vert run some 68's? (chrom 18's and an LS1 & 6 speed)


I thought he (Philip) had a stock clip, but maybe I'm wrong on that.

[Bill Howell]

Just checking here, but didn't the blue 69 SS/RS Camaro 'Vert run some 68's? (chrom 18's and an LS1 & 6 speed)


I thought he (Philip) had a stock clip, but maybe I'm wrong on that.

The results I have show Phillip (69 speed) ran a best time of 74.475
Hopefully he will chime in if I missed something.

[trapin]

I gotta save some vacation time for this next year. My friends and I are planning what we call "The Big Three" next year. Year One Event...Columbus Goodguys...and Pigeon Forge.

Bill...Steve...next year if my car is not there, I'll do the barbecuing if you rent the whole track for a day next year. That'll save you some money on overhead. I can barbecue with the best of em.

[Steve Chryssos]

.....I had a best of 69.461. I wish I had asked Tony to drive mine!

Jim,
I'm sorry for misrepresentig your times. I was still sorting out the data. Spoke too soon.
Here is the complete list for all who have times:
Time Penalty Net Car Car
Rank Time Owner # Car Type
STICKY TIRES
1 57.523 0 0 57.523 Shawn Willocks 129
2 63.334 0 0 63.334 Chris McHarge 73

STREET TIRES
1 63.817 0 0 63.817 Team air ride 2 71 Buick GSX
2 64.303 0 0 64.106 Team DSE 8 69 Camaro
3 64.186 0 0 64.186 Team air ride 52 71 Gen Camaro
4 64.318 0 0 64.318 Team Air Ride 21 66 Chevelle
5 64.920 0 0 64.92 Matt Altamore 16 4th Gen Camaro
6 65.239 0 0 65.239 B. Wiedeman 9 89 Mustang
7 63.947 1 2 65.947 Steve Chryssos 72 68 Camaro
8 66.023 0 0 66.023 Andrew Borodin 007 RX7
9 66.788 0 0 66.788 Bill Howell 19 81 Malibu
10 64.828 1 2 66.828 Ryan Jarrard 24 4th Gen Camaro
11 67.102 0 0 67.102 Kelly 79 Impala SS
12 67.382 0 0 67.382 Mike Goins 71 4th Gen Camaro
13 68.310 0 0 68.310 Phillip Cornette 0 69 Camaro Vert
14 69.460 0 0 69.461 Jim Grayson 7 69 Camaro
15 67.677 1 2 69.677 Billy Utley 1 72 Nova
16 70.083 0 0 70.083 Daniel Maynor 70 03 Mustang Cobra
17 70.223 0 0 70.223 John Parsons 007 RX7
18 70.689 0 0 70.689 Heath Hays 29 69 Chevelle
19 71.020 0 0 71.02 Bill H's Bro 191 81 Malibu
20 71.486 0 0 71.486 Stacy Tucker 8B 69 Camaro
21 68.047 2 4 72.047 No Name 551 Porsche??
22 72.331 0 0 72.331 Brian Finch 133 71 Camaro
23 72.409 0 0 72.409 Steven Rogers 32 C6 Vette
24 72.635 0 0 72.635 Jeremy Lee 36 00 Mustang GT
25 72.836 0 0 72.836 NO Name 229 Unknown
26 73.544 0 0 73.544 David Sloan 5 69 Camaro
27 74.475 0 0 74.475 Jeff" Tate 20 69 Camaro
28 126.029 0 0 126.029 Brittney Alteza 28 Mercury Comet

[Steve Chryssos]

The results I have show Phillip (69 speed) ran a best time of 74.475
Hopefully he will chime in if I missed something.

You missed something. 74.475 was car #20, Jeff Tate. Phillip was car zero.

[ilovefirstgens]

The Z06 was running Hoosier RACE tires (slicks, not street legal), had a driver that KNEW the track and well.. was a Z06.. lol

Kyle had radial DOT street tires and was a newbie at the track.. I doubt he has driven on many figure 8 banked auto-x tracks.. lol (who has besides the locals??)

All the top guys should be VERY proud of thier cars.. this wasn't an easy track..

Okay that makes a TON of difference, i assumed that some of the guys would atleast have r compound tires.

And wasnt the deal that they had to drive there to count, not being dot legal tires i dont see how thats fair...

This is why im happy to have cheap wheels, ill have a set of decent street tires and some nice sticky comp tires!

though thats if/when i ever get to be a good enough driver to necessitate it.

[andrewb70]

Okay that makes a TON of difference, i assumed that some of the guys would atleast have r compound tires.

And wasnt the deal that they had to drive there to count, not being dot legal tires i dont see how thats fair...

This is why im happy to have cheap wheels, ill have a set of decent street tires and some nice sticky comp tires!

though thats if/when i ever get to be a good enough driver to necessitate it.

For the record, this was not a competition. The times were recorded for the owners benefit. The point was to bring your car, drive it, meet people, and hang out. Mission accomplished.

Andrew

[Steve1968LS2]

Okay that makes a TON of difference, i assumed that some of the guys would atleast have r compound tires.

And wasnt the deal that they had to drive there to count, not being dot legal tires i dont see how thats fair...

This is why im happy to have cheap wheels, ill have a set of decent street tires and some nice sticky comp tires!

though thats if/when i ever get to be a good enough driver to necessitate it.

I was corrected.. they were DOT legal.. however they had zero groove (that I saw)..

Im pretty sure it was driven there. None of the regular cars had R-compound tires.. maybe next year

[andrewb70]

Im pretty sure it was driven there.

The red C5? It came in a big trailer.

Andrew

[parsonsj]

For the record, this was not a competition. The times were recorded for the owners benefit. The point was to bring your car, drive it, meet people, and hang out. Mission accomplished.

Amen. During the driver's briefing, Tony Bolton said it best: "you're racing yourselves. The idea is to go faster each time." I think everybody did.

And as an aside, if you couldn't bring your own car, talk a friend into letting you drive his!

jp

[DJW32]

Steve,
The vids are amazing! Thanks for the link!
It looks like everyone had a good time

[andrewb70]

Steve,
The vids are amazing! Thanks for the link!
It looks like everyone had a good time

What link?

Andrew

[BA.]

SOMEBODY who shall remain nameless 69SPEED had the balls 69SPEED to let me drive their 69SPEED super-sweet blue 69 SS/RS convertible in town during a 69SPEED lunch break!
My own 69 has been off the road for 15+ years so it was a SUPER-THRILL for me to pilot a 69 again, and a super nice one at that!

Cool stuff like that happened for the AUTO-X also and just goes to show you what a great group of guys are at this board!!!

[Damn True]

All the cars had comparable power. A big power car would have crashed and burned. If it was lucky enough to not crash and burn, we would have probably kicked it off the track for being uncontrollable. I think the most powerful car there was the yellow second gen. This car beat the 'cuda at the G-G Nashville AutoX. Just as he was starting to really scare us, his ignition quit.

Big power and walls do not go well together. Just watch the video in the link below. Wave at your computer when you hear the beep.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...90595776&hl=en

Nice stuff Steve. The car looks great, and the lines you took were pretty consistant. What's with the horn? Were you being a wise-guy, or was there an electrical glitch?

BTW, the car sounds nice and mellow. Just my style. What mufflers are you running?

[Steve Chryssos]

Nice stuff Steve. The car looks great, and the lines you took were pretty consistant. What's with the horn? Were you being a wise-guy, or was there an electrical glitch?

BTW, the car sounds nice and mellow. Just my style. What mufflers are you running?

That's Tony Bolton driving. Most likely the 65.090 run. The horn is demonically possessed. Haven't taken it apart to find out why. Most likely some worn insulation since the problem was sporadic. But the crowd loved it! Mufflers are flowmaster 2 chamber 40's. The hedman H-pipe mellowed things down a tad.