1 question before I call Marcus

[brans72]

Getting heated in here lets see all info fellows as I know Tyler had great products and design was amazing!

[MrQuick]

Getting heated in here lets see all info fellows as I know Tyler had great products and design was amazing!

where? Tyler and I have a good working relationship. Your reading too far into it.

OP asked a question and I answered it as required for his application. As soon as I can find the info I will post it. Although I don't see how it applies here with the OP's needs.

I have used the AFX on many builds F,X and A's Do a search, I have been more than happy with the design.

No caps on my end.

[ssick chevelle]

Huh? What gives you that impression?

Tyler

hey tyler I am aware that you are very educated on this subject. i thin he meant because i dont intend to ever ever track the car just my daily driver that i am deep love with. do you think its over kill for a daily driver? (again im not trying to ruffle feathars or start anything. i just love to learn.

[MrQuick]

pm sent

[TitoJones]

hey tyler I am aware that you are very educated on this subject. i thin he meant because i dont intend to ever ever track the car just my daily driver that i am deep love with. do you think its over kill for a daily driver? (again im not trying to ruffle feathars or start anything. i just love to learn.

I'll just say this-

Do you think someone who daily drives a Ferrari, Corvette or Audi R8 thinks the suspension is 'overkill'? Do you think they will ever have the thought, ' I wish my car didn't handle this good?'

The AFX works as great on the A body as the F/X body. When ATS engineered these forgings back in 05 we specifically looked to the A body crowd for feedback and came up with the AFX spindle. Our only item we were not able to match on the A body vs F/X body was the overall bumpsteer curve. While it is improved over stock, it is not as dialed as the F body. We did use Marcus at SC&C to help optimize the spindle to the chassis and I feel it is the best, strongest, most advanced bolt on available for your car. As for overkill, that's for you to decide.

Tyler

[MrQuick]

I'll just say this-

Do you think someone who daily drives a Ferrari, Corvette or Audi R8 thinks the suspension is 'overkill'? Do you think they will ever have the thought, ' I wish my car didn't handle this good?'

The AFX works as great on the A body as the F/X body. When ATS engineered these forgings back in 05 we specifically looked to the A body crowd for feedback and came up with the AFX spindle. Our only item we were not able to match on the A body vs F/X body was the overall bumpsteer curve. While it is improved over stock, it is not as dialed as the F body. We did use Marcus at SC&C to help optimize the spindle to the chassis and I feel it is the best, strongest, most advanced bolt on available for your car. As for overkill, that's for you to decide.

Tyler

does this mean your not mad at me anymore?

LOL

[68nogoat]

I wound up going with the AFX spindles, because the way I looked at it, I can save money on brakes, and get the whole front suspension done, top of the line, and not have to pull it apart to upgrade anything in the future. Its a lot of dough, but it really is the best thing out there if you can swing it. For me it came at the expense of probably waiting to do the rear.

is your xcar gonna be a full p/t or daily driving orrr? wouldnt this have alot to do with your decision or is it a bottom line track or street thing with the afx spindle

My car is going to be a driver and is not really intended for the track although I would love to try that out. I went with the AFX spindle as opposed to the tall ball joints because I think it is a slightly better solution to fix the front end geometry, plus it will allow me to get into big brakes at a very low cost with new GM parts. Total cost to run the C5/C6 brakes with the AFX spindle will be only about $400, with no brackets to buy. The final reason for the AFX was that I am just starting on this car. I am not locked into using wheels or brakes that I already bought for the car, which may be a big factor in some people wanting to go with the stock spindle/tall ball joint set up.

I like the idea of GM brakes because they are GM tested, and as the government proved, GM is not going to be going out of business. So you will be able to get those Corvette brake parts forever. Along the same lines, I like the Corvette sealed hub assembly for a driver car. Although it is expensive, it is designed to last for a long time. I can understand track guys not wanting the sealed hub assembly because they are going to wear it out, but for a street driven car, I think it is a great selling point. I don't know how running 20" rims would impact the pros and cons on the bearing decision

[ssick chevelle]

looks like bearings will differ deoending on my rims size? its kind of baffles me that my whole adult life i bought tons of rims for pretty nice cars and never thought about any of this. Well i do now and guess i need to research the bearings subject now.

[MrQuick]

looks like bearings will differ deoending on my rims size? its kind of baffles me that my whole adult life i bought tons of rims for pretty nice cars and never thought about any of this. Well i do now and guess i need to research the bearings subject now.

Not really but bearing life will be dependent on rim size. A larger heavier rim will cause premature wear as compared to a smaller lighter rim. The beauty thing when using a factory type spindle is you can preload,service re-lube and replace worn part cheaply if necessary.

The nice thing about this site is you have alot of talented and experienced members to help you out. I have learned alot myself on a daily basis.

ahhh by the way, have you spoken with Marcus yet? talk about learning a few things.

Vince

[RF GTO]

What exactly is the difference performance wise between the SC&C tall ball joint setup and the tall spindle?

For someone like the OP that is going to drive their car mainly on the street and possibly on the track once in a great while, would they really be able to notice much difference?

The statements from MrQuick have me thinking you probably won't...

[dhutton]

What exactly is the difference performance wise between the SC&C tall ball joint setup and the tall spindle?

For someone like the OP that is going to drive their car mainly on the street and possibly on the track once in a great while, would they really be able to notice much difference?

The statements from MrQuick have me thinking you probably won't...

I think one factor might be whether or not both solutions address bumpsteer. I think the AFX with their steering arms does, not sure about the tall balljoint. The AFX spindle will also let you bolt on low cost C5 brakes which helps offset their cost compared to the tall balljoint. I think you have to cost out the total solution before concluding one is significantly lower cost than the other.

[MrQuick]

I think one factor might be whether or not both solutions address bumpsteer. I think the AFX with their steering arms does, not sure about the tall balljoint. The AFX spindle will also let you bolt on low cost C5 brakes which helps offset their cost compared to the tall balljoint. I think you have to cost out the total solution before concluding one is significantly lower cost than the other.

Excellent response.
Don't take any of my posts as being negative feedback towards any product. Again it is a great product but in this case it would be as I felt "not necessary". I like to take every situation and make a recommendation based on needs and requirements of the user with the vehicle in mind.
I PM'ed the op as I refused to take it any further than advising him to contact the vendor in mind and he can then make an educated choice.

Vince