Getting closer........

[Jim Nilsen]

Just bring it Jim,my junk is usually held together with duct tape and zip ties at these events,thats part of the fun.Our cars will never be totally done,but I'm going to enjoy pounding on mine every chance I get, as I peck at all the little things. Ron

I have to get it running and put the front clip on and I will be ready to go. i have put the front clip on a Camaro before in one day so I am hoping 2 this time with the extra bit of wiring I have to do and just a few pieces to hold the headlights in place.

As long as I can go on a 100 mile trip without major problems I will pack the tool box with everything I need and my aluminum jack and hit the road For RTTH. With cell phones and tow trucks to rely on it is a bunch better than the old days. One thing I know for sure, I will not leave it unattended on the side of the road to go to the last or next place for help. I will call and have someone come to me!!!! I don't need to lose it to some thieves.

After trying to start it last weekend and finding the fuel problem I hope that the rest of the stuff can be done by pushing buttons on my laptop. With Mike Holleman available to help I believe I will get it a lot easier than relying on Accel to be there.

I am working like never before to get it done and doing just as you say, bring it like it is !!!!!! Heck with no interior it will be a lot lighter ,right?

[Jim Nilsen]

It's been a long day and 2 more lines left to go and a bulkhead fitting. I have to siphon the tank to put the bulkhead in for the return line , I wish I had put one in the tank just in case when I put the others in.

I may have to put a flex line in if the pump makes too much noise but I installed the plate with some wiper motor grommets to help with the vibration situation and the pump is also isolated with rubber so we will hear if it needs the flex lines the first time the pump runs.

Here are the pics of the day's progress with the fuel system.

[Motown 454]

It looks good, nice installation. I hope this last part goes easy for you.

[Jim Nilsen]

it's been another long day at the fuel system and I got the lines all in and the pump up and running. Out of 30 some connections there were leaks at 5 of them so far and the damndest think is that 4 of them were on the non pressure side,lol. They were the -8 fittings at the filter and the pump. That stainless really needs to be cranked down hard,I had to get out my set of long wrenches to get the leverage I needed to get hem tight enough. I was almost considering the little copper seal tight washers they make to cure it.

I am going to bed and tommorow will be a short day on the car with a family picnic in the afternoon and going to see Smashmouth late tommorrow night.

I'll post some pics tommorow of the whole configuration front to back.

[Bill Howell]

GO Jim GO !!

[Mike Holleman]

it's been another long day at the fuel system and I got the lines all in and the pump up and running. Out of 30 some connections there were leaks at 5 of them so far and the damndest think is that 4 of them were on the non pressure side,lol. They were the -8 fittings at the filter and the pump. That stainless really needs to be cranked down hard,I had to get out my set of long wrenches to get the leverage I needed to get hem tight enough. I was almost considering the little copper seal tight washers they make to cure it.

I am going to bed and tommorow will be a short day on the car with a family picnic in the afternoon and going to see Smashmouth late tommorrow night.

I'll post some pics tommorow of the whole configuration front to back.

Jim, Be sure to use neverseize on those SS fittings to prevent gaulding. Go get em.
Mike

[Jim Nilsen]

Jim, Be sure to use neverseize on those SS fittings to prevent gaulding. Go get em.
Mike

Crap ,I knew I was fogetting something. Hopefully since the flared unions are aluminum to stianless they will be ok,fingers crossed.

I will be giving you a call soon Mike to talk about the programming of the DFI unit to make sure I got it right if it doesn't start up right away. I have gone over the online instructions and think I know what I have missed but who knows with ACCEL instructions,lol (lot of luck in this case).


What is a good time to call?

It will be good to talk to you again and say hi to your son for me.

[Jim Nilsen]

Good morning all. Got to the garage this morning and still found 2 very slight drips forming but nothing on the floor. Still might need those little crush washers but not today.

Anyone wanting to save any of the pics I have had posted should get them soon because I am going to clean out the attachments and start over with new ones. I need more space and if that is possible it would be nice.

Here are the pics of the whole new config. I still have the impact switch to install but I don't have it yet. It will go where the filter mount holes are where the wires are going now. So far all of the holes I put in the car for the last system will be used for he new setup. I hate holes that are plugged because of mistakes.

The pump didn't seem to be any noisier than others I have heard and hopefully I won't need to put in any flex lines but I will if I have to.

I am going over the ECU programming this morning to configure it and if all goes well I might turn the key to see. I may just wait till tommorow when I will have the time to stick with it all day and have all of my questions ready and thought out.

If anyone sees something not right let me know? Other than the pump not being in the tank it is setup like the systems that work I hope.

Here are the pics

[Jim Nilsen]

My fuel leaks are fixed. I had a problem with the 1/2in. tubing at the welded seam. There was a very slight ridge that was almost invisible to the eye at the seam that was causing the leaks. This only happened on the ends fron one particular piece of tubing I bought a short length of. Filing and sanding it solved the problem without the little crush washers.

I uploaded the newer version of the Gen 7 software and am having trouble finding the plug n play program that will load for me. It tells me that my com port isn't connected yet my green button is on and the screen shows my throttle working and the temps and all of the other info that should be working as working yet it won't load up the new program to the ecm.

Iam going to try from the begiining again and see what happens? The new intructions are more complete but they still seem to fall short of something or i am just not seeing it.

At least I have the fuel lines working. I am not sure if I am getting fuel fully in the rails yet? I have fuel at the regulator that is at the fuel rail Accel supplied with the kit but no fuel to the sensor at the opposite end of the fuel rail. With the bypass at the rear ant the line dead heading into the rail i am assuming that the air will need to bleed out thru the injectors. I tried cracking open the system to help it with no success the first time so maybe it will take another?

If this system ever runs without the help of an EMIC I will be amazed. If you or someone you know has experience with these systems in the Rockford area and want to make some $$$$$ you can come by this week and help if you like. Just reply here and we can arrange a time.

Back to the instructions again.

[Payton King]

on the regulator. It has a port. I also put an electic gauge at the end of the dead headed fuel rail. Only one pound of difference between the 2 on my car.

Not sure why yours is not getting fuel to the front. Have you adjusted on the regulator? It may be bypassing all the fuel back to the tank.

I am really impressed at the quality of work. If I was in a thrash to get my car somewhere. You would see zip ties and duct tape. Heck, I would probably have the pump and filters in my trunk in a milk crate with a bunge cord.

[Jim Nilsen]

on the regulator. It has a port. I also put an electic gauge at the end of the dead headed fuel rail. Only one pound of difference between the 2 on my car.

Not sure why yours is not getting fuel to the front. Have you adjusted on the regulator? It may be bypassing all the fuel back to the tank.

I am really impressed at the quality of work. If I was in a thrash to get my car somewhere. You would see zip ties and duct tape. Heck, I would probably have the pump and filters in my trunk in a milk crate with a bunge cord.

I have my Racepac sensor at he end of my fuel rail but no guage at the regulator. I had the adjustment turned in 4 turns to get me started but it probably isn't enough to get higher pressure like i need but i always start out low with regulators to make sure there are no leaks. I cranked it up a bit more this morning to get it higher. i am assuming that the air has to get out and when i loosened the fitting right before the nonadjustable fuel rail regulator that comes from accel with the kit and had fuel. I used my mighty vac to pull a vuccum on the regultor to see if it would get fuel farther to the rail but still need to check for fuel this morning. I hope I don't have to remove that regulator and adapt to the rail. I will need another fitting and a homemade plug to do that. I figure that as long as I get the pressure to that regulator it will act like it is supposed to.

I know I am on the right track with all of your help and am still not sure about the calibration of the racepak sensor and am going to call them this morning. I am having other sensor issues that also need to be addressed but they are just programming issues and they have a great tech service so I am not worried there.

Thanks for the compliment on the installation. I keep trying to do stuff once and not have to go back but without things working it sometimes cost a bit more money to redo but I know how to reuse parts very well from my training over the years.

My Accel dfi program for the ecm was from 2002 and the updated version is having problems with the com port when I try to upload the new program for some reason. It coonects to the ecm and shows functions but won't load. I hope Accel returns my email or callls me today.

I can just about hear the car run but it is so far away still to me.

When this is all over and it runs I am going to try to learn enough to be able to do this all on my own. It's like goping back to school.

Thanks again and hope to see you guys soon !!

[Payton King]

At max flow I cannot imagine the the PSI is much over 60...and it should be fine the way you have it plumbed so no need to move it to the front.

Only other thing I can think of is the flow direction correct for the filters. Surely the pump is not sucking the filter sock (assuming you are running one) up in the tank and blocking flow.

How much fuel do you have in the tank?

[Jim Nilsen]

At max flow I cannot imagine the the PSI is much over 60...and it should be fine the way you have it plumbed so no need to move it to the front.

Only other thing I can think of is the flow direction correct for the filters. Surely the pump is not sucking the filter sock (assuming you are running one) up in the tank and blocking flow.

How much fuel do you have in the tank?

I have the regulator cranked in almost all of the way and i have fuel right up to the accel regulator they supplied on the fuel rail. i don't see a need to remove it as it is not adjustable and is only there to regulate from idle at higher vacuum. the accel regulator should not be a restriction but ther is no fuel on the other side of it at all.
Ican remove the regulator that accel supplied only if I make a piece to do it and put a tee in the fuel rail end.

I have talked to accel and have my programming problems solved I do believe but it may take some time to get back to them to get a question answered about the regulator they supplied.

This is like baby steps and I relly want to move faster, I will probably start putting the front end on the car by thursday if i don't get somewhere on the engine starting soon.

I got a hold of a tuner and he can come out next week if I need him but for $500 I would rather spend that money at the RTTH5 and have it tuned there if possible.

You have the right questions and are keeping me on the right track, so we will have to see what the regulator is doing even if I have to take it off and physically check it out of the car.

On a good note today I got to apply for my license plates and I was able to get CORMARO no problem. The bad thing about them is that they won't be here for a month or so. I am going to make up a copy of them for the front since the temp plate is only for the back of coarse I can also have the chance to be able to run without a front plate like most people want to for at least awhile.

I am getting closer everyday and it is anybody's guess as to what day that is? Anybody want to start a pool to bet on what day? LOL

Thanks for the help and we will get there ,I know we will.

[bigshotsho93]

front plate whats that? unless of coarse your a loves park police officer then it fell off and is sitting in my back seat on the floor. lmao!

[minendrews68]

Jim, your engine compartment tooks sweet! I hate to admit it but I have one of those dumb questions....The canister that the vent hose coming out of the right side valve cover and goes to, (has the vent filter on top) what is this? I know, I know you guys don't have to tell me...
Carl

[Jim Nilsen]

Jim, your engine compartment tooks sweet! I hate to admit it but I have one of those dumb questions....The canister that the vent hose coming out of the right side valve cover and goes to, (has the vent filter on top) what is this? I know, I know you guys don't have to tell me...
Carl

The cannister is an oil breather/collector that I used because there really wasn't room for one on the valve cover.I also hope that it keeps some of the oil off of my injectors that would be going in the manilfold if it was on the valve cover. I will get enough oil in the manifold from thru PCV.

A lot of the pieces I use are function over form and it is just luck that they look good too.Packaging is a thing with an engine back 6in. that gives you no room in some places and alot of room in others.

I have also ran into the problem that some of my parts that were ordered di not arrive as the parts that were advertised and some of them like the overflow tank actually worked out better. It as if some of the parts had a destiny of there own and were beyond my control to to get what I wanted.

I am glad you like the way it looks because it was planned a bit differently in my vision of it all. Sometimes going with the flow was just easier too.

[Jim Nilsen]

Looking toward an interesting day today. I am pulling the black regulator out and checking it for any problems after I just unhook one of the cross flow lines and plumb it to a bucket to see if a free flow will get the fuel past it. I am really suspecting something is wrong with that black regulator. You can see it in the emergency room pics I posted.

I am doing all of this by myself and it is taking my patience to the limit sometimes trying to be at 2 ends of the car at the same time. I am calling a friend to see if they can come over today and help with the visual part or the turn the key part.

I am going to win this battle and know every little problem in the troubleshooting list that isn't already in there.

The moment it starts I will have the biggest moment of excitement and relief all at the same time.

[Jim Nilsen]

The black regulator that came with the kit is history. I am taking it out since 2 regulators are not needed and I am going to run the vacuum hose to the rear regulator and it will have to do it job the best it can. It should get a good enough signal to work well enough.

The engine compartment is losing a few parts and they have gone to the rear so hey it has to be good for front to rear weight distribution ,right?

One more piece to make for the milling machine and I sure hope that that is the last thing that needs to be done to the fuel system. I thought I had it all done more than once so I am not going to be convinced until it runs.

Called about insurance today to up my policy. As long as things keep progressing so I can button up and hit the road by next friday I'll be a happy guy.

Now back to it.

[Van B]

The black regulator that came with the kit is history. I am taking it out since 2 regulators are not needed and I am going to run the vacuum hose to the rear regulator and it will have to do it job the best it can. It should get a good enough signal to work well enough.

The engine compartment is losing a few parts and they have gone to the rear so hey it has to be good for front to rear weight distribution ,right?

One more piece to make for the milling machine and I sure hope that that is the last thing that needs to be done to the fuel system. I thought I had it all done more than once so I am not going to be convinced until it runs.

Called about insurance today to up my policy. As long as things keep progressing so I can button up and hit the road by next friday I'll be a happy guy.

Now back to it.

Looks like an Aeromotive regulator. Are you sure you need to run a vacuum line to it? I was under the impression that was only necessary for boosted applications.

[Jim Nilsen]

Looks like an Aeromotive regulator. Are you sure you need to run a vacuum line to it? I was under the impression that was only necessary for boosted applications.

In the instructions it says to set the regulator to the factory specs for your system and then attach the vacuum line. I have the 13109 model which isn't adjustable at the vacuum port as a boosted model is but they look alike. i could probably get by without the vacuum line but from what I have read it will make the idle a lot better and easier to manage the fuel map with a lower pressure brought on by the vacuum .

Now you are making me wonder but I am sure that one way or the other the system will work. It just will take a bit more programming at idle to be smooth.

If anyone has had experience with the 13109 that is different than what I am thinking please speak up. I am having enough problems with the old stuff and don't need any more problems with the new setup.

The learning curve on this is like a trip around the moon.