Turn corners and run 8's??

[LS1NOVA]

Thats the goal Im after. Minimal suspension changes and wheel/tire swap.

I wish there was an event that allowed a guy to show the true potential in all areas. 2-3 mile road course, autox, drag racing, all in one weekend. LSfest was pretty close but lacked road course and didnt allow drag tires on a drag track (lame).

Anyone interested in something like that? We have a track here in MN (Brainerd International Raceway) that has the facility to host it.

[srh3trinity]

I think it would be quite the feat. I wanted to see if the Unfair build could have accomplished it, but it met an unfortunate demise.

[72BBSwinger]

Looks like you already have the power. Take some weight off the nose and run at least a 12" tread slick and you should nail it.

[Kenova]

I wish there was an event that allowed a guy to show the true potential in all areas. 2-3 mile road course, autox, drag racing, all in one weekend.

Car Craft's Real Street Eliminator comes (came?) close. It used to be an invitational event whenever they decided to run it. Not sure how they run it now.
It had the potential to grow into a pretty decent event but they seemed to have dropped the ball when it came to promoting it.

Ken

[Ben@SpeedTech]

I agree and would love to watch an American muscle car super car event. With the huge differences in drag and cornering suspension designs, this would be a killer task to tackle.

I can see the point in LS' "keep the same tires on the car", but really this is saying "we know no one will get any traction so we get to see who knows how to feather the throttle and who doesn't." With that philosophy some cars are running 13s at 130 mph, and we never get to see the true potential of the car, just a somewhat unsafe situation where the car is breaking the tires loose in every gear and half way down the 1/4. We saw this happen with a fast BMW at a recent local drag event we sponsored.

Some folks have different tires they throw on for autocross events and swap back to street tires later. In a real life situation wouldn't most of us have a separate set of drag tires dedicated to that form of racing if we participated in those events? I do for my wagon. Why not allow tire swaps for drag too? Let's just say all events have to be DOT tires, keep the 200 tread wear for the curves and maybe limit it specifically to drag "Radials" rather than allow disguised "DOT" drag slicks, much like we do with autoX and road course events.

Just my .02

[LS1NOVA]

I think it would be quite the feat. I wanted to see if the Unfair build could have accomplished it, but it met an unfortunate demise.

So did I!!

Looks like you already have the power. Take some weight off the nose and run at least a 12" tread slick and you should nail it.

Im going to try to take a little wieght off but that gets spendy fast. It pulls the wheels an inch or two now on Et Streets so the traction is there at the launch but spins a ways out when I bring the power in too fast. Progressive boost controller should cure that.

Car Craft's Real Street Eliminator comes (came?) close. It used to be an invitational event whenever they decided to run it. Not sure how they run it now.
It had the potential to grow into a pretty decent event but they seemed to have dropped the ball when it came to promoting it.

Ken

I ran CC's RSE event at the show in St Paul MN this summer. Its a joke really. Dyno and very small auto x. Could be huge if they moved the show to Brainerd.

I agree and would love to watch an American muscle car super car event. With the huge differences in drag and cornering suspension designs, this would be a killer task to tackle.

I can see the point in LS' "keep the same tires on the car", but really this is saying "we know no one will get any traction so we get to see who knows how to feather the throttle and who doesn't." With that philosophy some cars are running 13s at 130 mph, and we never get to see the true potential of the car, just a somewhat unsafe situation where the car is breaking the tires loose in every gear and half way down the 1/4. We saw this happen with a fast BMW at a recent local drag event we sponsored.

Some folks have different tires they throw on for autocross events and swap back to street tires later. In a real life situation wouldn't most of us have a separate set of drag tires dedicated to that form of racing if we participated in those events? I do for my wagon. Why not allow tire swaps for drag too? Let's just say all events have to be DOT tires, keep the 200 tread wear for the curves and maybe limit it specifically to drag "Radials" rather than allow disguised "DOT" drag slicks, much like we do with autoX and road course events.

Just my .02

Agree 100%

[DJ Mabe]

I think this could be a huge event. Look how big the hot rod fastest street car or pump gas drag shootouts have gotten. Those are both really large events. Why couldn't/wouldn't Popular Hot Rodding put on a Fastest Muscle Car or Pro-Touring shootout or whatever they want to call it? I think this would really promote this build of cars more and bring it to the public. Make the cars do a street challenge with a 2hr drive to a track event. Then have a road course/auto x event, then back in the car for another drive to a drag strip. Have the cars drive to each event on pump gas and run a single type of tire for all legs of the drive/competitions. I run an R compound tire on the street and at the drag strip. I know you aren't going to hook nearly as hard at the strip but I think the point of these competitions is to show the versatility of these cars. They have the run to the hills but it's really not promoted or taken to the next level. I think if you include the drag event you will bring a lot more guys into the group. That's were most of us got our kicks in the beginning.

[Ron Sutton]

Have the cars drive to each event on pump gas and run a single type of tire for all legs of the drive/competitions.

Your point is different than Ben's & LS1Nova. They are saying to allow tire changes, especially for the drags, so we can see the real potential of each car ... not the limitations of the tire.

I would participate in this type of event with my new build for sure, if they allow tire changes & tuning between sessions.

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[SLO_Z28]

About 10 years ago my co worker built a car that did exactly what you are talking about, ran in the 8's and still turned. 7.0L TT C5.

[howehot]

Love the concept. Now someone needs to step up and make it happen.

[MrQuick]

Love the concept. Now someone needs to step up and throw a ton of money at it.

fixed

[shmoov69]

I'd possibly be game, if it was central US.... And I'm not broke at that time. Both financially and the Camaro!! DOOH!!

I wouldn't run 8's for sure, but it'd be solidly in the 10's somewhere.

[Nicks67GTO]

Ive had this exact idea running through my head for a few years now, its a rough concept that would need refining so bear with me....

It would be in Iowa and be drag week style. No help or pit crews, only a passenger that can help if needed. No tag along or support vehicles. Trailer is ok but youre pulling it with your hotrod. No major fixes or adjustments allowed. Jet changes, sway bar adjustments , shock adjustments, and maybe a tire change, belts, gaskets etc. Small fix stuff. If you blow an engine, tranny or rear you're done for the day.

Drivers meeting in Earlville Friday night and to get tech'd in for the tracks so it wouldnt be necessary at every track. It would run from sun up until sundown on a Saturday and you would have to make it the whole way or youre DQ'd. Call it the "Ultimate Iowa Street Car Challenge" or UISCC. Start at Earlville, Ia make your 1/4 mile passes and take your best ticket with you. Drive an hour or so to Cedar Falls Raceway and make 1/4 mile passes and take your best ticket with you. Then on to an auto X track set up somewhere half way between CedarFalls and Council Bluffs to split the drive up. Run the Auto-X and take your best time with you. Then on to Council Bluffs to make a pass at the Roadcourse.

Lowest accumulated time on pump gas wins. Street cars dont run race gas. Sorry.

3 classes. I want to keep the classes simple so theres lots of competition at all 3 levels....

1-Old school N/A: A naturally asperated production engines designed before the 90's. Stock block only.
2-New school N/A: Any engine designed after 1990 with a stock block.
3-Power adder. Any engine with a power adder OR an aftermarket block.

Its just been a thought ive had rolling through my head but i have no idea how to get the ball rolling on it. Sound like fun?? Is it do-able?

[AMSOILGUY]

Sounds like a blast! You need an event website or UISCC association. Getting the tracks on board might be the hardest thing. I believe Cedar Falls Raceway has a different owner then Earlville but maybe you could get both on board. I know nothing about that road course except I would love to have a go at it in the future. Maybe auto x in Des Moines they do it for Good Guys at the fair grounds. With that said events like this are always looking for sponsors. Call me if you can get the ball rolling!

[howehot]

Iowa speedway in Newton has a road course inside the track. Do this coupled with an Iowa SCCA autocross, Waterloo, Cedar Rapids, Oskaloosa. This would be a hoot. I'm in!

[srh3trinity]

The OLOA had two events in one day this last year that included a road course followed up by a drag strip. The drag race was rained out. They have to run the same tires for all events of course

[Nicks67GTO]

Iowa speedway in Newton has a road course inside the track. Do this coupled with an Iowa SCCA autocross, Waterloo, Cedar Rapids, Oskaloosa. This would be a hoot. I'm in!

How about 5 stops.

-Earlville 1/4 mile
-Waterloo @ Hawkeye for Auto-X
-CF raceway 1/4 mile
-Cedar rapids?? Auto X
-Newton Iowa Speedway Roadcourse to finish

That would be about 240 miles of driving between tracks. Thats not unrealistic at all in a sun up till sundown day.

Heres the big problem. Its why ive never done anything about it.....As far as stuff like this goes i'm just a guy with a small wallet, a GTO half way through a PT conversion, no real contacts, and absolutly no idea on how to go about getting the ball rolling on something like this.


Got any ideas on how to get it started?

[72BBSwinger]

If its in Iowa id be all over it in the N/A class. Once my car is back together, eventually.....

[shortrack]

throw a 1.5 mi oval in there too

[shmoov69]

Sheesh guys, might as well throw a rally event in there to at this rate!!! LoL!