R they really that Fast?

[skooli]

"It takes a lot of work to make a "muscle car" handle as well as a stock Honda Civic"


WTF? What Civic have you been driving? I have driven a civic...BS.

Gotta agree with you. Honda Civics are the Bic lighters of modern cars. They are inexpensive, purpose built, gas saver, commuter cars. They have extremely simple suspensions built to handle gentle driving. I put some 5 leaf mid-eye leaf springs, new coils up front, subframe connectors, sway bars, and KYB shocks on my 68 Mustang and it corners better than any stock Honda Civic. That's a fairly standard, easy (done in an afternoon) modification. If go DSE or Hotchkis or something along those lines, the Civic is toast.

[Jok3r]

Gotta agree with you. Honda Civics are the Bic lighters of modern cars. They are inexpensive, purpose built, gas saver, commuter cars. They have extremely simple suspensions built to handle gentle driving. I put some 5 leaf mid-eye leaf springs, new coils up front, subframe connectors, sway bars, and KYB shocks on my 68 Mustang and it corners better than any stock Honda Civic. That's a fairly standard, easy (done in an afternoon) modification. If go DSE or Hotchkis or something along those lines, the Civic is toast.

hondas are no good, my 73 camaro was much faster than an entire integra club thru a canyon known for racing. I will be buying the full hotchkis setup for it soon, but there is no way a solid axle on leaf springs is going to handle as well as my 2006 nissan 350z with IRS, coils and some crazy multi arm suspension.
the cars in this show however are back halfed custom coil overed cars. the year one car, or the dse cars have to be more expensive to build than to buy a new gtr. i would like to see more newer american muscle cars like 2000+ camaros and gto's. those would be better comparisons to a bmw or mitsubishi. There has to someone out there with a new mustang willing to race for them. also where are the corvettes? a built c5 could be a good race for a gtr.

[badazz81z28]

hondas are no good, my 73 camaro was much faster than an entire integra club thru a canyon known for racing. I will be buying the full hotchkis setup for it soon, but there is no way a solid axle on leaf springs is going to handle as well as my 2006 nissan 350z with IRS, coils and some crazy multi arm suspension.
.the cars in this show however are back halfed custom coil overed cars. the year one car, or the dse cars have to be more expensive to build than to buy a new gtr i would like to see more newer american muscle cars like 2000+ camaros and gto's. those would be better comparisons to a bmw or mitsubishi. There has to someone out there with a new mustang willing to race for them. also where are the corvettes? a built c5 could be a good race for a gtr.

The Yearone car...Maybe, but I highly doubt that Brian's or Kyle's Camaros cost more to build than a brand new GTR. If I had to guess....$50K-$60K. They probably have more into them over the years with engine/transmission swaps...upgrades etc...But to build a car the way they have it now? I would say $50K

Camaro $3-5K
DSE Front $10K
DSE Rear $10K
LS7 $15K
Magnum $3K
Misc $15K

[srh3trinity]

The Yearone car...Maybe, but I highly doubt that Brian's or Kyle's Camaros cost more to build than a brand new GTR. If I had to guess....$50K-$60K. They probably have more into them over the years with engine/transmission swaps...upgrades etc...But to build a car the way they have it now? I would say $50K

Camaro $3-5K
DSE Front $10K
DSE Rear $10K
LS7 $15K
Magnum $3K
Misc $15K

I know your numbers are rough estimates, but you are sitting at 65k plus before safety and wheel, tires and brake components. Not to mention paint. Some of that would be covered by your miscellaneous category, but not all of it.

[James OLC]

The Yearone car...Maybe, but I highly doubt that Brian's or Kyle's Camaros cost more to build than a brand new GTR. If I had to guess....$50K-$60K. They probably have more into them over the years with engine/transmission swaps...upgrades etc...But to build a car the way they have it now? I would say $50K

Camaro $3-5K
DSE Front $10K
DSE Rear $10K
LS7 $15K
Magnum $3K
Misc $15K

Rob - will all due respect. You are out of touch.

[Todd in Vancouver]

Rob - will all due respect. You are out of touch.

Rob, sorry to say but ya that is WAY wrong. You've seen the current state of my car on the rotisserie and getting ready to media blast and I'm pushing $40K and I have SBC 350. It wouldn't take much to break $100K and I would guess that most of the really nice stuff that show up in Camaro Performers are going to be north of $200K. JMHO...

[icemanrd19]

The Yearone car...Maybe, but I highly doubt that Brian's or Kyle's Camaros cost more to build than a brand new GTR. If I had to guess....$50K-$60K. They probably have more into them over the years with engine/transmission swaps...upgrades etc...But to build a car the way they have it now? I would say $50K

Camaro $3-5K
DSE Front $10K
DSE Rear $10K
LS7 $15K
Magnum $3K
Misc $15K

more like
Camaro if you are lucky 5k
dse front 9k
front runner 2k
dse rear 8k
Brakes 4k
wheels and tires 4-6k
fuel 2k
ls7 15k
t56 setup 4k
seats and safety low ball 1k
8-15k body work. safe to say 10k to throw numbers together

Honestly you can spend 70k on a nice car quick.

[71RS/SS396]

The Yearone car...Maybe, but I highly doubt that Brian's or Kyle's Camaros cost more to build than a brand new GTR. If I had to guess....$50K-$60K. They probably have more into them over the years with engine/transmission swaps...upgrades etc...But to build a car the way they have it now? I would say $50K

Camaro $3-5K
DSE Front $10K
DSE Rear $10K
LS7 $15K
Magnum $3K
Misc $15K

Um, you need to put a 1 or 2 in front of $50K number and it would be more realistic of the actual build cost, my car is a lighter version of Kyle's car and I could of bought 2 GTR's for the build cost, grant it we built the car in 8 mos so the labor was crazy expensive but top notch parts are spendy as well.
The engine cost is likely $20K +, the brakes on Kyle's car are $8k plus $1,500 for the floater conversion ( not including the cost of the housing and 3rd member), the trans and clutch combo are $5k-$6k ....etc it adds up fast.