Torsional frame flex reduction

[silvermonte]

i can understand the confusion, i do a horrible job of explaining. i have been told that the kickers have to go towards the rear of the vehicle,they will not provide the support they need if they go forward, even tho the down bar would be the same length going towards the front or the back if the main hoop was in the rear of the cab. I wanted the 2nd main hoop to be closer to the seat to be within the 6" of my helmet for that reg but as you just said it has to be the one that the down bar starts with.I then wanted the 2 hoops to be tied together however the cage builder said they would be needed to provide strength for a roll over. So since i cant get any roll bar shops to at least consider if my design is safe im just going to go without a cage. One of these days im just going to go to the store and buy a bunch of the round foam that you put in the pool and mock up my idea so people can see it better then me doing a horrible job or explaining it.