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    1. #21
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      I got a cost from my guy here that does wraps and he said it'll never look like a satin black paint job (for some reason?) and they run $1800 for a car to $3500 for an suv.



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      about wraps:

      Well… everyone expects vinyl wraps to look like their car’s painted because they see them on the road from a distance. They see all the vehicle’s running around with crazy pictures and advertisement all over them and how cool it looks. However, they never get up close to look at how it’s installed. Printed vinyl is FAR from perfect, especially when it’s not camouflaged with design. Most installs can be manipulated and stretched to fit most of the vehicle, but there are a LOT of relief cuts and overlapping of vinyl when done. That’s why most every wrap you see has a very busy background design. It takes your mind, and eye, off the huge imperfections. Most people have no idea… they just think it looks like an awesome paintjob. With vinyl, after it’s printed, things get caught between the vinyl and laminate making little pimples and imperfections. Things get stretched a little too far in installation and leave white stretch marks, especially on black print. It’s just things like that… that get camouflaged without notice when it’s busy and colorful. You won’t have that luxury with just a flat black.

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      just sounds like he doesnt want to go through the hasselhoff to do it..

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      Maybe.. maybe not. I know him and his work is top notch, but again I think he's being realistic.

      It’s all up to you. I for sure don’t like turning down money! J However, I also like to be honest and let you know going in what the finished product can look like.

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      My candy dish is filled with razor blades submerged in Anti Freeze.

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      "I dont wanna do yer stinkin wrap on yer car!.. narf!"

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      Check out SEM Trim Black. It comes in Quarts and Gallons and Mixes in a 1:1 Ratio with laquer thinner. Its dries to the touch in 15-20 min. It's easy to Spray and repair and reasonably priced. that's what I used.
      Mike Martin
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      Vinyl is for houses man.....paint is where it's at.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Pro-Tour Heavy Chevy View Post
      Check out SEM Trim Black. It comes in Quarts and Gallons and Mixes in a 1:1 Ratio with laquer thinner. Its dries to the touch in 15-20 min. It's easy to Spray and repair and reasonably priced. that's what I used.
      pics?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Pro-Tour Heavy Chevy View Post
      Check out SEM Trim Black. It comes in Quarts and Gallons and Mixes in a 1:1 Ratio with laquer thinner. Its dries to the touch in 15-20 min. It's easy to Spray and repair and reasonably priced. that's what I used.
      Reasonably priced? Compared to what? In my research of satin paints SEM Trim Black cost the same per quart than others did per gallon.

      You've actually done repairs on panels painted with this?

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      Scuff with 400 grit, feather-edge and shoot. I paid about $72 per Gallon and about 20 for the Laquer thinner. It looks allot like the EDP coating that comes on repro sheetmetal, but it doesn't rust and doesn't chalk.
      A friend <doing some bodywork, thought he'd do me a favor and re-shot it in the hot sun and it tiger-striped so I have to Sand and re-shoot it, but it has a real stealth look.
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      that does look badass for sure, how was it mixed?
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      This is the color I've kept coming back to. Satin White Pearl, Don't know what brand paint




      Below are BASF Carizzma Flat paint/clear. Different colors to give you and idea of finish.









      http://www.carizzmacolors.com/news.php
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      also have you seen what hot rodders do?

      they take a metalic paint and spray it, then they dont clear it... its pretty sick also.. like a metallic flat paint.

      ill try and find pics because i considered it when i got Storm.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Pro-Tour Heavy Chevy View Post
      Scuff with 400 grit, feather-edge and shoot. I paid about $72 per Gallon and about 20 for the Laquer thinner. It looks allot like the EDP coating that comes on repro sheetmetal, but it doesn't rust and doesn't chalk.
      A friend <doing some bodywork, thought he'd do me a favor and re-shot it in the hot sun and it tiger-striped so I have to Sand and re-shoot it, but it has a real stealth look.
      I got a quart of SEM Hot Rod Black and it cost me $80 for the kit. One of these days I'll do a test shoot as well as a test "repair". I remember pricing Trim Black and it was the same price except they only came in pints. Trim is a 1k (no hardener) product, isn't it?

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      Quote Originally Posted by 69projectKAOS View Post
      that does look badass for sure, how was it mixed?
      It's a 1 to 1 mix with lacquer thinner. Easy to spray too. Spray 2-3 wet coats with about 5 min flash time, if I remember right
      Mike Martin
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      I should remember to scroll down all the way, next time. Yes there' no hardener to add, but once fully cured (about24hrs) It's pretty durable. It dry's to touch in about 15-20 min., just don't go sitting on it after 15 min.
      Mike Martin
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      not trying to be a wang or nothing just trying to add some technical advise here. But you guys do realize all base coats are flat? the clear coat is what gives all paint jobs their shine, you can lay down any solid,metallic,pearl,candy whatever base coat then just lay a flatened clear coat overtop. A flatening agent is added to the clear and you can make your own desired shine like semi gloss, satin , or full flat depending on the amount you add. I would recommend no one leave their car in just base coat or primer as they are both porous and will allow moisture through to the substrate and niether have the UV protection that clear coat offers and will break down much faster.
      Tony

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