Project Black Widow

[Code Red]

my brother(specwarsquid on here) put this slide show together from this past weekend when we pulled the 3.8 out of his 96 camaro



engine is either going to be rebuilt or swapped for a v8



i'm in the orange, my brother in the coveralls, my dad in the white, and my sister in law


i'll let him go into the details

[SPECWARSQUID]

Dude you are a Post whore.

Well anyways about the car. This was my daily driver until the slave cylinder went out about a year ago. Normally this would have been a quick job, but since i had a leaky oil pan gasket I figured i might as well pull the motor and swap in a new one. Well after reinstalling the drivetrain. I bottoned her up and rolled outside to make room in the garage and planned on the next weekend to start hooking everything back up. I still had the upper plenum off at this point and appearantly there is a leak in the cowl area above the engine and over the course of the week with some rain storms the engine filled up with water. A week later I discover my new fish bowl. Just my luck. I was so digusted with the situation at that point I just closed the hood and walked away from it.

Until this past Saturday.....

Eventually unwilling to admit defeat and with a new refreshed perspective. I decided to rally the troops and yank the drive train once again and see what the damage was. The video is just a collection of pictures from the days event with a fair bit of posing .

The car is a 1996 Camaro Y87 with T-Tops. The drivetrain consists of a 3800 Series II L36 V6 (200 HP) with a Borg-Warner World Class T-5 manual 5-speed transmission. Not a powerhouse but she'd hook them up every now and again. The rearend is the originall 10-bolt unit but with a 3:73 (aftermarket) Auburn positraction installed. And 4 wheel disc brakes all around to boot.

For the uninitiated the Y87 was a factory performance package that upgraded suspension, braking, steering, traction and exhaust. Basically you could think of them as a Z28 without the V8 drivetrain.

Here is a breakdown on different options per yers for the Y87:
http://tech.firebirdv6.com/y87.html

http://tech.firebirdv6.com/general.html



Well that was then and this is now. I basically want go beyond the factory's upgrades. Better suspension, bigger brakes and of course more power.

I can't explain why but I have a real desire to build a Chevy 305. Maybe because they are cheap and plentiful but also to be different. I liked the idea even more especially after reading Popular Hot Rodding's 305 "Hate Me" build where they made 372 HP and 350 ftlbs on a conservative head, intake, cam and carb swap.

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/eng...cks/index.html

Anyways it should be fun. Stay Tuned.

Taken when new:












Shay
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Semper Fortis

[ROACHZ28]

You should drop in a built LT-1. I love mine!

[SPECWARSQUID]

I'd love to. Not exactly sure what I'm doing. Other than not putting the V6 back in

Will have to see what I can get a good deal on. What i really like about the whole this is that I could drop in a 572 if i wanted and i would only pay insurance for a V6. Sahweet.

Shay
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Semper Fortis

[brrymnvette]

Put the V6 back in with a couple turbo's.

[NvrDun71]

Ls1/T56 swap would be a no-brainer

[Project69]

Put the V6 back in with a couple turbo's.

As much as i hate to say, that would be sweet. Have super six motor sports build ya nice 4.3 stroker, get turbonetics to mock up a TT kit and run wild.

[ill steez]

I'd love to. Not exactly sure what I'm doing. Other than not putting the V6 back in

Will have to see what I can get a good deal on. What i really like about the whole this is that I could drop in a 572 if i wanted and i would only pay insurance for a V6. Sahweet.

Shay
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Semper Fortis

you would also blow the s out of every single part of your drivetrain. which would be pretty sweet i guess.

[robyrd]

I've heard pro-charged LT-1's are fun, but that was with Bill Howell driving so I didn't really get to experience it... (just kidding Bill, that car was bad!)

[SPECWARSQUID]

Building the 3800 is a thought. Ala Grand National so to speak.

Intense-Racing has done some amazing stuff with the 3800. They have 4ht gen Firebird that got 8.991 @ 152.12 mph and a 99 GTP that has a best run of 9.223 @153.86.

So not too shabby for the little V6.

And to boot the the guy who owns the Firebird live right here in Dayton. Pretty convenient huh?

From an earlier run:

http://s85.photobucket.com/albums/k4...t=58a208e0.flv

Vid of Dyno with #s

http://s85.photobucket.com/albums/k4...t=20373e92.flv


So lots to think about. One main consideration is the tranny. i'd need to upgrade to a T56 for sure. I thought the World Class T5s in the Camaros were same as the Mustang crowd. Is that not true? How do they get by without grenading the trans?


Shay
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Semper Fortis

[Poopy]

I dont get it.

[SPECWARSQUID]

What are you having a hard time "Getting"?

Shay
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Semper Fortis

[blackwidow]

nice project name lol

[SPECWARSQUID]

nice project name lol

Aww bugger....

And I did do a search, it mush have space between the words that got me.

Ironic that yours is a 69 and this one is a 96. Guess I'll have to think about it some more.


Regarding the engine.

While the TT 3800 is impressive for me personally it just doesn't have the "Man Points" that a LSX/SBC/BBC would have.

And while I'll have to look at some more before I commit to it, i do like the looks of a 572 BBC under the hood mated to a T56.

Shay
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Semper Fortis

[PaceFabricating]

I would run a turbo 3800 in that car, its different and you can have some good fun. We have a turbo firebird, (ONE OF OUR PROTOTYPES) With our single 57 trim custom turbo, motor compleatly stock, it ran 12.98 in the 1/4 on street tires, we do have some suspention mods done, blowing the broken in brand new TCI torque converter at 1/8 mile marker.. This car should have ran bettween 12.3 to 12.5 in the 1/4. and thats at 9psi.. intercooled, and its alot of fun to drive... and ill tell ya the responce on that motor is sweet.. Ill just say that ...
justin