drifting

[novanutcase]

I dunno! I've seen some pretty hairy drag race "drifts" in the past!

[the_dude]

okay I'll say it again... the POINT of the drifting driving style was/is ... if you COULD make it through the corner with traction you DO. however the drifting "technique" was from going too hot into a corner, with some one chasing you. do you slow down and let them catch you? or do you hang it out and keep as much speed as you can and stay ahead of them? I'm NOT saying it's the fastest way around a corner.. I'm saying that if you KNOW you can't hold the corner at that speed, you drift.


oh and pickup trucks are actually one of the hardest vehicles to set up properly. they are easy to get the tail out, but have a tendancy for the tail to pass the nose.. they are typically very unstable to keep your line. very similar to why you don't see the really tail happy rear engined cars at "drifters" they are really twitchy, and go from oversteer to understeer in a heartbeat.

when you lose traction of any kind in a corner over a 10% maximum regulated spin you lose kinetic energy, and when you lose your energy the person behind you that carrys thiers WILL catch you. What happens in NASCAR, IHRA, and CHAMP is not drifting in any way shape or form, it is riding on the edge of controll, at a 10% regulated slip. Idealy tires "sticky" tires like to slip a little bit to reach maximum grip. On my drag car, my tires go about 3 revolutions before i get any movement at all, and my tires travel about 1.0076-1.0089 times farther than my car on my best times.

Ive never driven a truck that has a tendency to understeer ever, they oversteer extreemly easily and are very easy to controll with just a little bit of braking. I will wager $100 my truck could place at a drifting event, im just not driving 500miles to LA to find out, maybee if theres drifting event after one of the events at irwindale ill find out.

[MrQuick]

...Infinion on the 15th. They have trials out at g-g fields all the time.

[the_dude]

...Infinion on the 15th. They have trials out at g-g fields all the time.

I dont see anything on the schedule on thier website, where the hell would you even do that? the track doesnt lend itself well to drifting. Even the Cycle style setup doesnt seem too driftable.

I want to do this, i have a $500 standing bet with my someone with a SRT4 that i can out drift them, Im really intrested this.

[novanutcase]

Damn......a bet?.....Isn't that what you do with other "sports"?

[robyrd]

well it's been done.. i found this video of a guy on road atlanta... and def. reaffirms it being hard on a car!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...84&q=69+camaro
and if nothing else... boy can generate some tire smoke!!

[go-fish]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...uki+Pikes+Peak

Now this is drifting. It has a functional purpose here.

[vanzuuk1]

I have video of a small drift with the camaro, did a few large circles in a deserted lot.Not full bore drifting but not a bad first attempt.

I have a still but cant link to video.

[MrQuick]

I dont see anything on the schedule on thier website, where the hell would you even do that? the track doesnt lend itself well to drifting. Even the Cycle style setup doesnt seem too driftable.

I want to do this, i have a $500 standing bet with my someone with a SRT4 that i can out drift them, Im really intrested this.

SRT4...ok this would be brake racing but not really drifting.You can't maintain enough speed to be competetive. p-brake is just to initiate and help maintain not a primary means. Remember if you get passed during a lead or left during a tail you lose.

NCDA.net seems to be down right now but you might be able to find info on the next event here... http://www.driftbattle.org/index.html

They hold events at Infinion, the altamont and hold practices and trials at Golden Gate fields and Buttonwillow raceway.

the Infinion drift session area is small but very technical. http://youtube.com/watch?v=gU3gAn5nafU&search=drift

If you are serious let me know as we have 3 customers that compete often they can help get you started.

...what ever happen to the high planes drifter guys??? Haven't seen them here in a long time...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=h8K9eHAmjO8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tMA4bMGw9ss

[Ash]

D1GP, Formula Drift, and the like, are all organizations trying to legitimize a motorsport that has it's roots on the other side of the law. Before stones start getting thrown here, and folks start condemning the recklessness and utter disregard for public safety this sport entails, you have to remember that our "All American" NASCAR owes quite a bit to it's founding drivers. Drivers who were Moonshiners/Bootleggers and all around outlaws that filled the early ranks, and legitimately, can be credited for the initial popularity of NASCAR and it's subsequent nationwide success. While our drivers did it for money back in the day, the Japanese do it for fun. Touge ( or "Drifting" as we know it) is carried out on small mountain passes, tiny roads that are flanked by guard rail on one side and mountain on the other. Drifting on an expansive, clean, flat elevation motorsports complex tarmac is watering it down quite heavily. But the car scene in Japan is a bit more hardcore than ours....World renowned Tuning (speed) shops like TopSecret, JUN Auto,and Do-Luck trailer their cars out to these events, as well as Time Attack, for the sake of competition with one-another. Perpetually One-upping each other, even in the face of incarceration.

Touge : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiYqY2MNM54
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5UX7-NBA70


(not all touge is on public roads)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru3-cWjMKEI


and a really good article about Americas own Falken sponsored Mustang pilot Vaughn Gittin, Jr. drifting his Ford in Japan, and narrowly escaping the Law. http://www.importtuner.com/features/...ure/index.html

All I'm saying is there is way more to this form of motor-sports than the well know Drift competitions.

[cheapthrillz]

well it's been done.. i found this video of a guy on road atlanta... and def. reaffirms it being hard on a car!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...84&q=69+camaro
and if nothing else... boy can generate some tire smoke!!

That looks like soooooooo much fun tho!!!!!

[SicMonte]

this thread sure did come back from the dead....2 years since the most recent post!!

[6'9"Witha69]

this thread sure did come back from the dead....2 years since the most recent post!!

CRIKEY, almosy 3.

[rogue]

I'm able to do it pretty well, but most event organizers dont want you doing it unless its a dedicated drift event. That said, most practice has been at a friends corporate parking lot with cones.

Here I am pretty sideways with a loose gas cap out at streets of willow.





I was warned...


It would be a lot easier with quick ratio steering, truck arm suspension and a rally brake.

[rogue]

I have video of a small drift with the camaro, did a few large circles in a deserted lot.Not full bore drifting but not a bad first attempt.

I have a still but cant link to video.

Here you go buddy. Love your car...

[rogue]

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[High Plains Mopars]

Quick ratio steering would be a big plus. You also need more steering angle than most classics deliver in stock form.

Setting up the suspension for drifting wouldn't necessarily require a hand brake. Like any competition set up, it requires you set up the suspension for it. In a drift car, this would mean changing the roll couple so the car is less neuteral and looser in the rear. Quick and dirty set up may be to add a really big rear sway bar and/or disconnect the front sway bar.

[79PonchoUK]

Drifting is a bit like ballet with cars though. I don't get the term 'drift racing'. That's like a running at half pace 100m sprint. I think it's just a trend fuelled by looking cool and being part of the drift tuner crowd.


It's quite popular in the UK too, I know someone who beat all the skylines, 200SX etc in a $500 bmw 3 series with a welded diff and e28 engine in it.
Just shows, it's all about the driver. The car is just a styling aid with a bit of basic setup. lol - having an import means nothing.



PS - on the tuner cars topic that seems to keep popping it's head up...... I have a 79 trans am and a mitsubishi starion (conquest). Just about to go and pick up a Nissan Skyline GTR R32 too. Despite having these, I really don't understand why people worship 'tuner' cars. They're not really that great.
They're flimsy, prone to some weird faults and have terrible power delivery. What is it with 2.0 turbos being cool? If your 3.0 NA engine delivered power like that you'd think it was faulty....yet lag is completely accepted!
A 2.0 turbo isn't even lighter than similar powered NA engine either. The 2.6 skyline engines weigh more than most V8s when dressed!

"yes, but it can make 1000 horsepowaz". Right, some have, most don't make it to the dyno. Thats £17k down the drain. lol
I do like the straight 6, but to say it beats a V8 seems almost brainwashed.

The thing the japanese did better with their cars was chassis dynamics, although that's unfair. It's only the old american cars that have crap steering...standard for standard, the trans am regularly went round the outside of a nissan 200SX or Skyline GTS on out and out grip and balance. You just have to get past the dead (but quick) steering.

[rogue]

PS - on the tuner cars topic that seems to keep popping it's head up...... I have a 79 trans am and a mitsubishi starion (conquest). Just about to go and pick up a Nissan Skyline GTR R32 too. Despite having these, I really don't understand why people worship 'tuner' cars. They're not really that great.
They're flimsy, prone to some weird faults and have terrible power delivery. What is it with 2.0 turbos being cool? If your 3.0 NA engine delivered power like that you'd think it was faulty....yet lag is completely accepted!
A 2.0 turbo isn't even lighter than similar powered NA engine either. The 2.6 skyline engines weigh more than most V8s when dressed!

"yes, but it can make 1000 horsepowaz". Right, some have, most don't make it to the dyno. Thats £17k down the drain. lol
I do like the straight 6, but to say it beats a V8 seems almost brainwashed.

Absolute ignorance, on so many levels.... I say this as someone whos not an import fan. Blind hatred, don't be afraid of things you know nothing about.

A properly setup Miata, Evo, STi, or even a 240 will rip up 90% of the cars on this site on a road course.

How do I know? I track my car, frequently. I've seen what these cars can do. I've seen spec miatas absolutely DESTROY C6 Vettes on R comp rubber. Educate yourself... please. To hate all Imports and discredit them is just stupidity.

[Bjkadron]

Absolute ignorance, on so many levels.... I say this as someone whos not an import fan. Blind hatred, don't be afraid of things you know nothing about.

A properly setup Miata, Evo, STi, or even a 240 will rip up 90% of the cars on this site on a road course.

How do I know? I track my car, frequently. I've seen what these cars can do. I've seen spec miatas absolutely DESTROY C6 Vettes on R comp rubber. Educate yourself... please. To hate all Imports and discredit them is just stupidity.

Ok.. This is getting a little out of hand. On the side of imports. they are cars.. Yes they are made in a different country. But they do have some nice cars. Ex. Spec miatas. They can be made to go fast just like domestics. Yes there are some pretty bad examples of of modified cars Ex. riced out hondas and the like. But right now anyone on the side of modifying cars should be banding together with all the "greenies" on the march to make everyone walk everywhere in their "woven hemp sandals"!

On drifting..
Cars are set up for a little more weight transfer than your average road-racer but are set up for neutral steer characteristics.. And though they are judged, they are really racing the other person. Namely trying to outrun them under the set of "problems" they are faced with(maximum slip angle, tires spinning, ect).

Just my two cents.