RTH2 Results Are In!

[trapin]

I have a couple questions, did anyone participate in the autoX event in a first gen with a stock subframe? If so, did Tony drive that and how did it fare? Was it's weight and horsepower comparable to the other first gens in the field that were running the aftermarket systems?

[novanutcase]

Hmmmmmm........Air-Ride huh??!!!? Maybe I will look into this seeing as how they seem to have gotten their product down and obviously the numbers are proving this.

[Steve Chryssos]

I have a couple questions, did anyone participate in the autoX event in a first gen with a stock subframe? If so, did Tony drive that and how did it fare? Was it's weight and horsepower comparable to the other first gens in the field that were running the aftermarket systems?

None of the stock clip cars ran sub 70 second times. The exception is the Nova--which is comparable to an F-body. It crashed, so there was no chance for Tony to run that car. It had full blown level 3 DSE suspension. Maybe Tony could have pulled a 63 if he had the cnahce to run it. Steve Moore left early, Jason Huber had to leave so early that he never ran, and David Sloan passed on having Tony drive his car.
Given a low estimate, Tony was able to shave 6 seconds off of every car (except Kyle who actually knows how to drive). David Sloan's car went 73.544 which means that Tony probably could have pulled a 66 or 67 out of it. Trust me--If Bill's hefty 81 Malibu can pull a 66.788 on skinny tires, your Camaro can do it. The stock clip cars work fine.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE LEARNED AT RTH2 FOLKS
Tires and driver. Say it with me peoples. Tires and driver. Beyond that, Pro-Touring cars and and pro-touring parts are fairly equal. On street tires, the difference between all of our cars is a second here or there on the AxH track. And on the street, the distinction is downright negligible. Buy what you like and can afford.

p.s. If you want to run a sub 65 at next year's AutoX from Hell, you had better bring minimum R compound street tires and some real safety gear or you might crash and get hurt. I'm not kidding. Otherwise plan on running a 65-plus. You'll have a blast.

[69rs]

None of the stock clip cars ran sub 70 second times. The exception is the Nova--which is comparable to an F-body. It crashed, so there was no chance for Tony to run that car. It had full blown level 3 DSE suspension. Maybe Tony could have pulled a 63 if he had the cnahce to run it. Steve Moore left early, Jason Huber had to leave so early that he never ran, and David Sloan passed on having Tony drive his car.
Given a low estimate, Tony was able to shave 6 seconds off of every car (except Kyle who actually knows how to drive). David Sloan's car went 73.544 which means that Tony probably could have pulled a 66 or 67 out of it. Trust me--If Bill's hefty 81 Malibu can pull a 66.788 on skinny tires, your Camaro can do it. The stock clip cars work fine.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE LEARNED AT RTH2 FOLKS
Tires and driver. Say it with me peoples. Tires and driver. Beyond that, Pro-Touring cars and and pro-touring parts are fairly equal. On street tires, the difference between all of our cars is a second here or there on the AxH track. And on the street, the distinction is downright negligible. Buy what you like and can afford.

p.s. If you want to run a sub 65 at next year's AutoX from Hell, you had better bring minimum R compound street tires and some real safety gear or you might crash and get hurt. I'm not kidding. Otherwise plan on running a 65-plus. You'll have a blast.

David has a stock subframe with coilovers.
I have a stock subframe with 700lb. Landrum springs and Edelbrock shocks and a mild 350 / 4 speed. I had a best of 69.461. I wish I had asked Tony to drive mine!

[Steve Chryssos]

.....I had a best of 69.461. I wish I had asked Tony to drive mine!

Jim,
I'm sorry for misrepresentig your times. I was still sorting out the data. Spoke too soon.
Here is the complete list for all who have times:
Time Penalty Net Car Car
Rank Time Owner # Car Type
STICKY TIRES
1 57.523 0 0 57.523 Shawn Willocks 129
2 63.334 0 0 63.334 Chris McHarge 73

STREET TIRES
1 63.817 0 0 63.817 Team air ride 2 71 Buick GSX
2 64.303 0 0 64.106 Team DSE 8 69 Camaro
3 64.186 0 0 64.186 Team air ride 52 71 Gen Camaro
4 64.318 0 0 64.318 Team Air Ride 21 66 Chevelle
5 64.920 0 0 64.92 Matt Altamore 16 4th Gen Camaro
6 65.239 0 0 65.239 B. Wiedeman 9 89 Mustang
7 63.947 1 2 65.947 Steve Chryssos 72 68 Camaro
8 66.023 0 0 66.023 Andrew Borodin 007 RX7
9 66.788 0 0 66.788 Bill Howell 19 81 Malibu
10 64.828 1 2 66.828 Ryan Jarrard 24 4th Gen Camaro
11 67.102 0 0 67.102 Kelly 79 Impala SS
12 67.382 0 0 67.382 Mike Goins 71 4th Gen Camaro
13 68.310 0 0 68.310 Phillip Cornette 0 69 Camaro Vert
14 69.460 0 0 69.461 Jim Grayson 7 69 Camaro
15 67.677 1 2 69.677 Billy Utley 1 72 Nova
16 70.083 0 0 70.083 Daniel Maynor 70 03 Mustang Cobra
17 70.223 0 0 70.223 John Parsons 007 RX7
18 70.689 0 0 70.689 Heath Hays 29 69 Chevelle
19 71.020 0 0 71.02 Bill H's Bro 191 81 Malibu
20 71.486 0 0 71.486 Stacy Tucker 8B 69 Camaro
21 68.047 2 4 72.047 No Name 551 Porsche??
22 72.331 0 0 72.331 Brian Finch 133 71 Camaro
23 72.409 0 0 72.409 Steven Rogers 32 C6 Vette
24 72.635 0 0 72.635 Jeremy Lee 36 00 Mustang GT
25 72.836 0 0 72.836 NO Name 229 Unknown
26 73.544 0 0 73.544 David Sloan 5 69 Camaro
27 74.475 0 0 74.475 Jeff" Tate 20 69 Camaro
28 126.029 0 0 126.029 Brittney Alteza 28 Mercury Comet

[01badz28]

Jim,
I'm sorry for misrepresentig your times. I was still sorting out the data. Spoke too soon.
Here is the complete list for all who have times:
Time Penalty Net Car Car
Rank Time Owner # Car Type
STICKY TIRES
1 57.523 0 0 57.523 Shawn Willocks 129
2 63.334 0 0 63.334 Chris McHarge 73

STREET TIRES
10 64.828 1 2 66.828 Ryan Jarrard 24 4th Gen Camaro

Well, actually I was on R compounds for all the good it did!

Bow Tie 67, I meant to ask you at the event - where did you get the cage for the orange car?

[MonzaRacer]

Well as I have just joined up after seeing the mail from ART I had to check things out and you guys eem to be going at a similar way of thinking as I am .
I bult my 78 C10 with cool ride and parallel 4 link and it has been a trip and a half . First thing on somethinglike this measure,measure,measure.
But I first found out that air ride would turn and burn and drag in my 71 Monte Carlo after replacing my rear springs just before the 98 East Coast Power Tour. When I draged my car in 2000 the 60 foot time were dead consistant. So afte rstarting to have problems with my hip I broke in a car accidentI decided to lower my truck.
and about 3 mo after droping it I was on my way to work throught som hilly /twisty roads and got the a$$ of a 01 Camaro that I knew had some mods and I stuck with him through all of the funstuff,with a C10 pick up and no real great tires/wheels (yet) so yes air ride can be a great handling mod.
I am working on some Hbosy mods for the Monza and I am picking up a 85 GP that will ahve some suspension mods and my 402 BBC.
From even back in 98 going to Mooresville NC from Indiana I found they air ride unparalleled compared to simple springs, loaded or unloaded all I did was change preasure to retain ride height and handling and load capacity,,, very cool.
I hope to get to mix it up in the future on some courses with afew of you people,,, but I dont have flashy super high dollar cars just my puny excuse for cars,,, they may be ugly or rough but they will usually run good and hopefully handle even better and be safe.
And never undersetimate a good air suspension.
And since I work for Bridgestone/Firestone I do get access to some sweet tires such as SO-3 Pole Positions! Hopefully I can get my vehicles done soon and get to play.
Awesome job on video and organization.
Hopefully I can get a chance to try it out some time.
Lee

[Bill Howell]

Welcome aboard Lee,
Sounds like you will fit right in here. We do allow shiny cars here, but only if the owners actually use them....lol
The air ride system is really impressive and very nice set up also. Hopefully you can make the next event.
Question, you said GP, I am guessing G-body Grand Prix? If so, check up my malibu, the new ATX spindles really woke my car up.

[Bow Tie 67]

Well, actually I was on R compounds for all the good it did!

Bow Tie 67, I meant to ask you at the event - where did you get the cage for the orange car?

I don't have a cage, only a harness bar. I bought it used off a forum. I believe LG motorsports makes them.

[BA.]

None of the stock clip cars ran sub 70 second times. The exception is the Nova--which is comparable to an F-body.

Just checking here, but didn't the blue 69 SS/RS Camaro 'Vert run some 68's? (chrom 18's and an LS1 & 6 speed)


I thought he (Philip) had a stock clip, but maybe I'm wrong on that.

[Bill Howell]

Just checking here, but didn't the blue 69 SS/RS Camaro 'Vert run some 68's? (chrom 18's and an LS1 & 6 speed)


I thought he (Philip) had a stock clip, but maybe I'm wrong on that.

The results I have show Phillip (69 speed) ran a best time of 74.475
Hopefully he will chime in if I missed something.

[Steve Chryssos]

The results I have show Phillip (69 speed) ran a best time of 74.475
Hopefully he will chime in if I missed something.

You missed something. 74.475 was car #20, Jeff Tate. Phillip was car zero.

[Steve Chryssos]

Was it's weight and horsepower comparable to the other first gens in the field that were running the aftermarket systems?

All the cars had comparable power. A big power car would have crashed and burned. If it was lucky enough to not crash and burn, we would have probably kicked it off the track for being uncontrollable. I think the most powerful car there was the yellow second gen. This car beat the 'cuda at the G-G Nashville AutoX. Just as he was starting to really scare us, his ignition quit.

Big power and walls do not go well together. Just watch the video in the link below. Wave at your computer when you hear the beep.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...90595776&hl=en

[Damn True]

All the cars had comparable power. A big power car would have crashed and burned. If it was lucky enough to not crash and burn, we would have probably kicked it off the track for being uncontrollable. I think the most powerful car there was the yellow second gen. This car beat the 'cuda at the G-G Nashville AutoX. Just as he was starting to really scare us, his ignition quit.

Big power and walls do not go well together. Just watch the video in the link below. Wave at your computer when you hear the beep.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...90595776&hl=en

Nice stuff Steve. The car looks great, and the lines you took were pretty consistant. What's with the horn? Were you being a wise-guy, or was there an electrical glitch?

BTW, the car sounds nice and mellow. Just my style. What mufflers are you running?

[Steve Chryssos]

Nice stuff Steve. The car looks great, and the lines you took were pretty consistant. What's with the horn? Were you being a wise-guy, or was there an electrical glitch?

BTW, the car sounds nice and mellow. Just my style. What mufflers are you running?

That's Tony Bolton driving. Most likely the 65.090 run. The horn is demonically possessed. Haven't taken it apart to find out why. Most likely some worn insulation since the problem was sporadic. But the crowd loved it! Mufflers are flowmaster 2 chamber 40's. The hedman H-pipe mellowed things down a tad.