Detroit Speed Subframe

[TonyHuntimer]

Did you guys see their new subframe?

Pretty cool!
http://www.detroitspeed.com/Product%...s/subframe.htm

Tony Huntimer
RaceHome.com

[David Sloan]

Looks good! as all of there products do!!
Any ideas on a price yet?

[zbugger]

Try here.

https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=20123

[baz67]

Or here www.pro-touring.com

[TonyHuntimer]

Sorry for the old news.

Tony~

[Ronald Winter]

I was checking out the frame at columbus this weekend . I'ts amazing you can use up to a 10inch wheel in front and the rack is placed in perfect alingment with the lower control arms stacy said almost "0" bumpsteer . I placed my order

[dropit69]

crap thats as much as i paid for my car..damn pt stuff..lol

[zbugger]

Sorry for the old news.

Tony~

No worries. You've just been busy getting some crazy camera that you might be able to see the future with.

[David Pozzi]

How much $$$$ is it?
It looks great.

[baz67]

How much $$$$ is it?
It looks great.

Over 6K plus brakes.

[trapin]

It's a beautiful piece. But for $8600 (with brakes)...is it really all that better than the stock frame with the right modifications made?

I would love to see a side by side comparison of one of these frames against the frame that is on Camaro X or the Red Witch or anything that Dave Pozzi has slung around a road course.

Are they really all that better?

[Steve Chryssos]

I would love to see a side by side comparison of one of these frames against the frame that is on Camaro X or the Red Witch or anything that Dave Pozzi has slung around a road course.

Are they really all that better?

I guess we will find out in September. It's confirmed. Kyle is bringing their "Test Car" to our Run Thru The Hills event in Pigeon Forge. So we will have direct comparison of a variety of different chassis configurations. Same track, same weather, same clock.

Jason Huber's "Fuel" is probably the closest comparison. It has an upgraded OE clip with a DSE Quadra-link out back. Same wheel/tire sizes too.

More importantly, we'll see a bunch of different configurations running together.

[trapin]

[Rick Dorion]

Same driver for comparo!

[MrQuick]

Is that an offer to be guinea-driver? LOL... ~Wait I thought Jasons sub want cool because its smooth-ed?~ Now im confused. I'd like to see a WD and 21st frame represented too. hint: Steve and CL

[Steve1968LS2]

Is that an offer to be guinea-driver? LOL... ~Wait I thought Jasons sub want cool because its smooth-ed?~ Now im confused. I'd like to see a WD and 21st frame represented too. hint: Steve and CL

I think that's bit far to bring my car.. lol

Subframe shootouts are the toughest thing ever to pull off fairly. There are so many variables such as driver, tire condition and type, unsprung weight, and a host of other varialbles.

The best way would be to take a stock car.. baseline it. Add the company X subframe with a few other mods like wheels, tires, rear susp upgrades then test. Then take Company Z's sub and swap it in using all the same supporting parts. Same driver, same track and if possible the same day or at least the same weather.

I wonder it there's a scientific way to measure a subframe. Could test rigidity, geometry and do other simulations. I bet it's possible but super expensive.

I can't wait to check out the subframe in person.

[trapin]

The best way would be to take a stock car.. baseline it. Add the company X subframe with a few other mods like wheels, tires, rear susp upgrades then test. Then take Company Z's sub and swap it in using all the same supporting parts. Same driver, same track and if possible the same day or at least the same weather.

Well then....what's PHR waiting for? And don't say money. Primedia has plenty of it. They buy the frames, and the car. Run the tests (rigidity, elapsed time, lateral-g) and then sell everything when it's finished. The money it would end up costing them in the end would be comparable to the coins that are lying under the cushions of your favorite sofa. Of all the parts I see tested in magazines...this would be probably the most anticipated and highly talked about one ever.

[Steve1968LS2]

Well then....what's PHR waiting for? And don't say money. Primedia has plenty of it. They buy the frames, and the car. Run the tests (rigidity, elapsed time, lateral-g) and then sell everything when it's finished. The money it would end up costing them in the end would be comparable to the coins that are lying under the cushions of your favorite sofa. Of all the parts I see tested in magazines...this would be probably the most anticipated and highly talked about one ever.

What a great idea.. unfortunatly I don't see it happening anytime soon. The best we can hope for is to test as many cars as we can with different subframes and see how they do.

I will be running Penny thorugh the PHR gauntlet of tests, so that will give a clue. I'm sure DSE tests the hell out of thier stuff.

Here's the deal with "shootouts".. Mfg's really don't want to be a part of one since there ends up only being ONE happy company and a bunch of ticked off ones. And this one would have so many variables that any "losing" company could call foul for some reason.

The logistics of buying 5-6 $7,000 ($42,000) and then the install and track time is way more than anyone wants to tackle.

This isn't like testing cylinder heads or carbs.. How much time does it take to swap subframes? Anyways, it's a great idea on paper.

The other way to do this is to try and test many cars with different set-ups on the same course and compare the handling data.

[datsbad]

Vince that smoothed sub was on my 69 convertible that i sold . this one in Fuel is welded up but not smoothed over .

[Steve1968LS2]

Vince that smoothed sub was on my 69 convertible that i sold . this one in Fuel is welded up but not smoothed over .

Personally.. I don't mind seeing welds if they are done nice. I have some parts welded by Matt and they absolutly bitchen to look at. Same with the welds on my 21st Century Subframe.

Welds can be art or look like crud.. depends on the welder