AFX done yet?

[hectore3]

What are these spindles retailing for? I mean the A-body version.

[wickedmotorhead]

We do not yet have pricing on the A or G body setups since we are most likely doing an investment cast steer arm and we have not finalized pricing as of yet. We also do not have final pricing on the UCA's but we will have everything figured out as soon as they are available. The spindles themselves will be the same as the F/X body platforms at an introductory price of $625/pair with brand new C5 bearing packs and very nice steer arm hardware.

[BRIAN]

Any real world testing? Back to back comparo with modified suspensions and switching spindle only? If so what was the set up used? Street use feel or track only??

Any specific brakes that are bolt on? Or which to avoid?


Thanks

[aonghus]

Aftermarket control arms like the one from Global West and DSE give you added caster. When combined with our tall AFX spindle, you now get the increased camber gain, which is what you will notice the most when driving the car.

Simple answer:
They will work in perfect harmony together.

Tyler

So if I understand correctly, there will be no adverse conditions created by running aftermarket control arms that modify stock caster if one chooses to run the TALL AFX Spindle?

I can't be alone in wondering if there would be an added benefit to running the tall spindle with the DSE equipment I just purchased, right now the only thing keeping me from fully comitting to a set of AFX spindles is the fact that can't justify the better portion of a $1,000 to get spindles with larger bearing packs.

[TitoJones]

Brian-
We tested our spindle with all the aftermarket control arms (Global West, DSE, Speedtech) and 2 different control arm locations (stock, and Guldstrand mod) and know what our spindle is capable of. It is impressive to say the least. We will have a full technical article release soon to PHR that goes through all the design, geomtry and detructive testing aspects of the AFX spindle.

aonghus- Our spindle will out prefrom any aftermarket control arm. The main benefit of our spindle is the vastly increased camber gain, which an aftermarket control arm won't provide. The added caster built into the tubular control arms works perfectly with our spindle. You'll get better handling with our AFX spindle and a factory control arm than you would with just an aftermarket control arm, plus our spindles are $25 less than a DSE upper control arm. You can easily get the required amount of caster that your F or X body car needs with shims, but you can't get the added camber our spindle gives with an aftermarket control arm.
If a handling vehicle on a budget is your main concern, the AFX spindle would be the bigger benefit to your chassis, and cheaper than control arms.

Tyler

[gchandler]

But my car does not have brakes that will work with the AFX spindle, so I will need to get new calipers, rotors, hubs, and possibly a master cylinder.

Not that this is a problem, as the benefits seem to outweigh the cost, but saying that they are "cheaper" is not that helpful and can be a bit misleading.

edit:
Now I guess if you assumed that someone was starting with a factory car that needed a brake upgrade anyway then it is a different story.

[chicane67]

We're working on an abutement to make this swap eaiser..... but there is NO eta on this part as of yet.

[aonghus]

aonghus- Our spindle will out prefrom any aftermarket control arm. The main benefit of our spindle is the vastly increased camber gain, which an aftermarket control arm won't provide. The added caster built into the tubular control arms works perfectly with our spindle. You'll get better handling with our AFX spindle and a factory control arm than you would with just an aftermarket control arm, plus our spindles are $25 less than a DSE upper control arm. You can easily get the required amount of caster that your F or X body car needs with shims, but you can't get the added camber our spindle gives with an aftermarket control arm.
If a handling vehicle on a budget is your main concern, the AFX spindle would be the bigger benefit to your chassis, and cheaper than control arms.

Tyler

I am already deep enough into converting my suspension over to coil overs, LCA/UCA's that I cannot go back now, my question was: Can I use the AFX spindles with the DSE UCA/LCA's without fear of screwing the pooch? Will the DSE UCA's & the AFX TALL spindle work in conjunction with one another to provide a more 'ideal' geometry? Or am I best off with stock height spindles?

My car will only see the track every once in a while, so far the only advantages I have read about to the stock height AFX spindle is the larger bearing pack & wheel speed sensor provisions. What I can also see, is the possibilty to use brakes that I can service myself, without ordering parts and waiting for them to arrive. Just need to drive to the local dealership. (cough C6 Z06 brakes cough)

And lets be real here... $25 is a drop in the bucket for what our hobby costs to play in. I'm looking at $625 extra, versus nada to resue my stock spindles. Not just $25.

So, Can I use your TALL AFX Spindles to acheive better suspension geometry WITH the DSE UCA/LCA combo?

OR

Will using the Tall AFX Spindles be detrimental to my suspension geometry?

[Flyboy]

So, Can I use your TALL AFX Spindles to acheive better suspension geometry WITH the DSE UCA/LCA combo?

OR

Will using the Tall AFX Spindles be detrimental to my suspension geometry?

Aftermarket control arms like the one from Global West and DSE give you added caster. When combined with our tall AFX spindle, you now get the increased camber gain, which is what you will notice the most when driving the car.

Simple answer:
They will work in perfect harmony together.

Tyler

I think that was the answer you were looking for, yes?

Page one, bottom post.

[aonghus]

Pardon my 2:30am ramblings...

It would seem that in my lurking I completley missed that post. :x

All I have to ask now is, why does the ATS website state that they are producing a stock height spindle for use with 'modified geometry'? When now I see that being disregarded?

Which is it?

also "You can easily get the required amount of caster that your F or X body car needs with shims, but you can't get the added camber our spindle gives with an aftermarket control arm."

I was under the impression you cannot shim caster ( on stock A arms, DSE's you can with their bushings built into the cross shaft), but you can camber. Caster has to do with the fore or aft relationship between the ball joints and consequently the control arm mounting points. Wasn't the purpose of the Guldstrand mod to alter that aspect of caster?

forgive my "defining of terms" but I want to be sure I am on the same page, everything I read seems to be conflicting...

[Rick Dorion]

We're working on an abutement to make this swap eaiser..... but there is NO eta on this part as of yet.

Is this in reference to C4 stuff? No eta - sigh

[sinned]

All I have to ask now is, why does the ATS website state that they are producing a stock height spindle for use with 'modified geometry'? When now I see that being disregarded?Which is it?It is both. The tall spindle offers an improved camber curve as would performing the Guldstrand mod. The stock spindle is for those who have already perfromed this mod and do not want anymore neg gain.

I was under the impression you cannot shim caster ( on stock A arms, DSE's you can with their bushings built into the cross shaft), but you can camber. Caster has to do with the fore or aft relationship between the ball joints and consequently the control arm mounting points. Wasn't the purpose of the Guldstrand mod to alter that aspect of caster?You are mistaken, caster is shimmed just as easily as camber, you only stack or remove shims from one of the control arm cross shafts for caster. The G mod does increase caster slightly however the point was not to increase caster, it is to correct the poor camber gain the stock geometery has designed into it.

Hopefully that has cleared up your questions

[TitoJones]

Dennis and Flyboy answered your questions pretty well.
The stock AFX spindle is for those who have a Guldstrand mod on their frame, or have the DSE weld in coil over mount. While our tall AFX spindle could work with the G-mod and DSE coil over mount, the camber gain is bordering on excessive. It would be a track setup only in that case.
Tyler

[EFI69Cam]

Now quit pestering them so they can get them shipped.

[aonghus]

thanks to all

I'm not as 'learn-ed' as a lot here, so my confusion comes from lack of experience :P

thanks for the clarification

[chicane67]

Is this in reference to C4 stuff? No eta - sigh

Yup....

[CarlC]

... the camber gain is bordering on excessive. It would be a track setup only in that case.
Tyler

[aonghus]

LOL

[stealth71]

How do I get on the list to get a set of the tall A-body spindles?