1972 Alfa Romeo GT Track Day Build!

[Bulletpruf]

Cool project. I'm in for progress!

Andrew

Thanks, Andrew. Looks like we have similar taste in cars. Had a few 69 Judges, recently sold my RAIV 70 GTO (M21, manual drums, manual steering, 4.33, steel wheels/dog dishes -- optioned to race), love the first generation Cougars, too.



Scott

[andrewb70]

Thanks, Andrew. Looks like we have similar taste in cars. Had a few 69 Judges, recently sold my RAIV 70 GTO (M21, manual drums, manual steering, 4.33, steel wheels/dog dishes -- optioned to race), love the first generation Cougars, too.

Scott

Scott,

I think you might be right. Your 70 GTO sounds like it was built in the same theme as my Cougar. Just a fun street/strip car. I do so love the 4.33 rear gears and with a T56 it is totally awesome on the highway.

I have always loved those little Alfa Romeos. My family lived a short time in Austria around 79-80 and I remember seeing those cars running around on the street. I hope that after you build this car right that you bring it home with you.

Andrew

[Twentyover]

The deal with European cars of the era is all about the weight. A Mustang or Camaro will have about 7-800 lbs on an Alfa, Fiat or MG. Even with the stonkin' heavy C series engine (weighs almost as much as a BBC), my MGC comes in 400 lb lighter than a six cylinder Mustang of the same era. The MKII Ford Capri in my avatar was still only 2500 lb w/ huge bumpers. was 550 lbs lighter than a 70 six cylinder second gen Camaro, and almost 900 lbs less than a 76 Camaro.

Less horsepower, less tire, less everything needed to achieve similar performance

[Bulletpruf]

The deal with European cars of the era is all about the weight. A Mustang or Camaro will have about 7-800 lbs on an Alfa, Fiat or MG. Even with the stonkin' heavy C series engine (weighs almost as much as a BBC), my MGC comes in 400 lb lighter than a six cylinder Mustang of the same era. The MKII Ford Capri in my avatar was still only 2500 lb w/ huge bumpers. was 550 lbs lighter than a 70 six cylinder second gen Camaro, and almost 900 lbs less than a 76 Camaro.

Less horsepower, less tire, less everything needed to achieve similar performance

Weighs almost as much as a BBC?!?! Those are some massive and heavy suckers. I've built one before; they make SBC's look like a toy.

I think my starting point on this car is about 2,000 lbs. I should be able to drop a few hundred pounds from that -- bumpers, back seat, lighter front seats, hood latch, lighter battery, aluminum radiator, heater, etc, etc, but will add some back with the cage. Still expect to be comfortably under 2,000 lbs without driver, so 200 hp with give me 10 lbs/hp.

Thanks,

Scott

[Bulletpruf]

Scott,

I think you might be right. Your 70 GTO sounds like it was built in the same theme as my Cougar. Just a fun street/strip car. I do so love the 4.33 rear gears and with a T56 it is totally awesome on the highway.

Actually, I sold the GTO because it was absolutely not a fun street/strip car. It was a full concours restoration, won Concours Best Restored at the 2013 GTO Association of America Nationals. Started off as a frame-off in my garage and things got out of hand from there. Anyway, it ended up being too nice to drive and too expensive to beat on, so I sold it.

Here's a picture of it in Muscle Car Review -

I have always loved those little Alfa Romeos. My family lived a short time in Austria around 79-80 and I remember seeing those cars running around on the street. I hope that after you build this car right that you bring it home with you.

Andrew

Yes, I'll bring it back with me. I'll put it in a shipping container and ship it back at my expense ($3k or so). The Army will only pay to ship one car at Government expense, and that will be the wife's daily driver.

[andrewb70]

Actually, I sold the GTO because it was absolutely not a fun street/strip car. It was a full concours restoration, won Concours Best Restored at the 2013 GTO Association of America Nationals. Started off as a frame-off in my garage and things got out of hand from there. Anyway, it ended up being too nice to drive and too expensive to beat on, so I sold it.....

Common tale. The reason I built the Cougar is because I can drive it and park it anywhere.

Hopefully you won't make the Alfa "too" nice.

Andrew