Busted.

[trapin]

I'm a member of the UAW, but only because I have to be. To get into my group I had to become a member. We are the only salaried union in all of General Motors, the rest are hourly.

Yes it is absolutely true that these guys will not be fired. The union has so many hurdles put in place for GM to jump through when disciplining a worker it's sickening. GM will be required to take care of these workers. Put them on what is known as "The PIP" (Professional Improvement Program). They will go to rehab for a little while and get paid for it and then when they're done they'll get their jobs back. It's really too bad. That's why the guys in that video didn't act too worried. Because they know they don't have to be.

The only way a UAW worker can be fired is if he commits an act of violence or threatens violence against another worker. It's in the International Contract that the Union would step aside in those cases.

Another thing that protects these maggots is senority. The Union is BIG on seniority. It is the last line of defense that they will clutch in their bloody hands to the very end of a contract negotiation. No matter what, they will NEVER surrender that right. And basically...senority is what has given the union it's legendary reputation. Good people get laid off while the malcontents are allowed to linger on.

I hate being in the union. They take $80 out of my check a month and it's all for nothing. I get a little Cost-Of-Living every quarter but it's canceled out by our putrid 1% yearly raises while the rest of the company gets 5%-7%. That is....when we get raises.

[zo66]

that is really hard to watch,in times where most press is bad press that is realy going to hurt when the pick it up and run it prime time
i guess thats why my wifes last ford product fell apart so quickly that we took a huge loss just to get rid of it.

[MarkM66]

Rick, do you have some updated picks of your car?

[zo66]

hi, mark
what car are you speaking of ?

[WS6]

That's why the guys in that video didn't act too worried. Because they know they don't have to be.

I thought about my wording some more and this points out what I'm trying to say. Where is the self respect? How can you call yourself a man and be proud of what you do when this is what you do? I could never look myself in the mirror and say to myself "Self, I am proud that for 3 hours today, instead of working, I went to the bar and pi$$ed money away on alcohol all the while being paid by my employer"

[shmoov69]

Every time I see a "union and proud of it" bumper sticker, I want to slap the person! LOL!
If it weren't for getting my vehicle vandalized, I would get a bumper sticker made that said "NON UNION AND PROUD OF IT!"

But, I'm sure there are some good ones in there too.

[MarkM66]

hi, mark
what car are you speaking of ?

Opps, actually the person who started the thread is name Rick.

I noticed a new picture in his avatar.

[Happyfunballs]

I do as a matter of fact...just need to find them. Got a new computer and haven't switched everything over yet. I'll PM ya when my garage is updated. /endthreadjack

[trapin]

But, I'm sure there are some good ones in there too.

Thank you. That's extremely important to remember. For every guy that takes advantage of the system, there are 10 that don't and take their jobs very seriously. There are a LOT of good people in the UAW. Unfortunately, the bad seeds are there and they give the rest of them a bad name they don't deserve. It's just that these bad seeds happen to be the old-timers who are protected by senority.

You get rid of senority (and the jobs bank) and the UAW would be a force once again. They're just too stupid to see that.

[Steve1968LS2]

UAW for the WIN!

Everyone of those guys should be fired and replaced with people who actually want to work and be responsible.

[TonyHuntimer]

Tony R,

Unfortunately that ratio of UAW workers who car to the ones that don't can change from plant to plant. You mention a 10 who care to 1 who doesn't. In my old job, it was more like 50/50. :( I'm glad your shop has a different ratio or we'd all be in a lot more trouble.

The douches in that video won't lose their jobs...and if they do, it will only be for a few weeks. I've seen the system in action. If Adam Carolla were in charge, he'd send out a "team" to rectify the matter.

Tony Huntimer
RaceHome.com

[paul67]

May be some nice police cars should posted outside the bars and bust them for DUI, no car no job maybe.

[paul67]

May be now the companys are in trouble the workers will turn on each other to save there jobs, ie grass each other up.

[fantasygoat]

How can you call yourself a man and be proud of what you do when this is what you do?

Not to defend these jerks, but the flip side of the coin is that hard work is often rewarded with more work.

At my previous job - I am a systems administrator by trade specializing in internet services - if I worked really hard and put in unpaid overtime to get a job done, I'd be lucky if the boss even noticed. More often than not, I was reprimanded for making changes to systems without going through a 6-month review process. Nevermind that the changes resulted in a 20% improvement in performance and thus more revenue for the company.

Working harder would not result in any tangible benefit to me, be it either praise, or more money, or promotions. In fact, due to the multiple layers of useless middle management, any real work was actively punished because doing anything required everyone to agree, which never happens.

So, since my paycheque and job satisfaction was exactly the same whether I worked a solid 40 hours a week vs. reading webpages and maybe doing 15 minutes of work a day, I decided to not bother working.

It's a two-way street - both the employer and employee need to work. Just like these asses shouldn't be slacking off and drinking all day, the employer should reward hard work so that there is a benefit to the employee. After all, it's WORK, not PLAY.

[Kenova]

I thought about my wording some more and this points out what I'm trying to say. Where is the self respect? How can you call yourself a man and be proud of what you do when this is what you do? I could never look myself in the mirror and say to myself "Self, I am proud that for 3 hours today, instead of working, I went to the bar and pi$$ed money away on alcohol all the while being paid by my employer"

Very well put Trey. I've had this attitude during my entire time with GM, as have the majority of others. I'm paid well and feel a responsibility to bloody well earn my money as best I can. Your post also raises the point that the problem is not with the union, but rather the actions of the individuals abusing their position and the trust the company has placed in them. It is both the union's and company's fault that these individuals retain their jobs. If Ford made up their mind to fire these idiots, they would indeed be gone. But alas, even in upper management there is a shortage of spines.
Seniority is indeed a double edged sword. It is used for more than determining who stays and who goes during a layoff. It is used to determine when your benefits kick in, how many holidays you get, but most importantly, it is used when determining who gets a job opening. In the early '80s, it was usually the Foreman's buddies and sweethearts that got the good jobs while some poor b*****d with twice the seniority is getting crippled up on a s****y job. It should never come into question when you have a bunch of bozos screwing up like these guys at Ford.

Ken

[WS6]

You're right Jeremy. Sounds like you are/were working for a bad employer. It gets really complicated as to way or how to change it but I think making sure you work for someone that appreciates your hard work is also a huge part of the self respect. Maybe I am ideological but I believe you don't have to settle just to survive. By that I mean there's always a place for you to work that satisfies not only you but the employer. The perfect match if you will.

[JMarsa]

This type of news reporting is quite common in Detroit. Every week there's a news station running one of these segments where they are busting someone screwing around on the job. People have said that many Detroit'ers have a entitlement philosophy. Maybe it came from the unions, but I've been told that many feel they are entitled to good wages, good health insurance, ect. All I know is, of the UAW guys I know, this type of behavior isn't unheard of. Like TRapin said, these guys are quite proficient at screwing around.

--JMarsa

[XLexusTech]

Tony R,

Unfortunately that ratio of UAW workers who car to the ones that don't can change from plant to plant. You mention a 10 who care to 1 who doesn't. In my old job, it was more like 50/50. :( I'm glad your shop has a different ratio or we'd all be in a lot more trouble.

The douches in that video won't lose their jobs...and if they do, it will only be for a few weeks. I've seen the system in action. If Adam Carolla were in charge, he'd send out a "team" to rectify the matter.

Tony Huntimer
RaceHome.com

In my world its 50 50 too. 50% stay employed and the rest hit the bricks.

[Jim Nilsen]

I wonder what would happen if someone had called work and said there is a real problem and he needs to address it as soon as possible. If they ask what it is ? Tell them there is someone who looks just exactly like him at the bar,lol. When they go to look for him and he isn't there he will be in deep slitz then.

Anyone here catch that guy's name

[Patrick]

Check out the beer can someone on the assembly line stuffed in my kick panel....
https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/sh...ght=check+beer