Direction and help for a newb

[African Hunter]

Hi All. I have been fascinated by muscle cars for decades but for some reason when the time was there to pull the trigger I went M3 (boltons) and got pretty involved in the community late 90's and then into exotics last year.

Curently drive a Lamborghini LP560-2 which is a 560 crank, manual, Rwd vehicle. I am really enjoying it but wouldnt mind saving some cash or to put it into a more raw (possibly collectible package)

I am looking at a classic '65-73 Camaro, 70 chevelle, similar years mopar, vettes dart etc etc protourer (possibly a numbers matching/etc but I like to drive my cars and not sure one of those would scratch the itch)

other options are a new Vette, Viper (both of these would get turbos and likely NOS) or Ford GT.

The ProTours I have seen which really get me going are similar to Bad Penny, F Bomb (plus many of theNelson Racing supercars). Admittedly I am new tothe scene.

Ideally I want a totally streetable(with all the cooling/overbuilding/etc required 600-1500+hptq twin turbo with multiple tunes and boost levels. Open to flexfuel e85. Want a full comfortable interior, ac, stereo, sound deading, enough rubber/suspension work so it will be fun in canyon carving but still be a roll race demon. prefer bags or a front lift. I have seen a few pro-tour builds putting down 700hp+ with very little ability to hook on street tires.

Enough aero to stay planted in turns and high speed (may not compete in 1/4 mile but possible autocross, roll race, mile events.) Prefer manual 5 or 6 speeds but flexible.

Think I slightly prefer to buy a complete car or something 60%+ and mod either to my likes.

have found a couple cars that I like but they are missing some important piece.

Love this Camaro but HP numbers are much less than I prefer. http://www.rkmotorscharlotte.com/sal...-Camaro/134792

also really like this but not FI and seems like it would just be a burnout machine (cool within reason). Plus have heard Dahmer is t the top tier of engines : http://www.rkmotorscharlotte.com/sal...-Camaro/134792

One other but would still need work. Likely interior, engine, nos, tires/reaerend/etc http://www.rkmotorscharlotte.com/sal...maro-SS/134741

am I looking for something which doesnt exist? Could go twin turbo G5 Viper or TT Lamborghini but doesn't have the same soul it feels.

Anyway. Long rant. I am in San diego. Any shops within a couple hours which are known to be top of the line? Have heard Nelson Racing turns out awesome motors but their CS is terrible. Dont want to be told 3 months for a car and wait 3 years =)

feel free to tell me I havent a clue be ause you are mostly correct. My first toe into the muscle pool. Thanks

[Schwartz Performance]

Hello,

First, welcome to the boards!

Your ideas are the definition if Pro-Touring... So no, you aren't out of place at all for wanting those things out of your classic.

If you can live with the paint and most of the car, you'll spend less overall on modifying a complete car like the few you linked to.. Compared to having one built from scratch. That black Camaro with all the awards took much more than 129 to build.. If a shop did it. Some of our customers want cars built to their spec as their own personal custom vehicle. Others do exactly what you said and get a "project" that has most of the work done and have us change a few things like engine, wheels, interior, for instance.

We aren't too close to you but we have customers all over the world we are building cars for, just gotta throw that out there

-Dale

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[srh3trinity]

If the check book is open the Evade car would be a nice start. You can probably find build threads on here or lateral-g if you search for Evade. If you want more HP, the quickest way with thay car would be a supercharger. If you go TT in an older car like this, there will be fab involved, as you arent going to find an off the shelf kit.
You will need to answer the question about why you want 1k HP and how much you want to spend to get there. There are various 700 HP or so LS engines from different engine builders, but I don't see too many in the 1k HP range as a crate motor. There was a pretty good thread about track cars on here and the general consensus was that for a track car, once you get over 500-550 HP the power isn't very usable. If it is for bragging rights then that is fine if you want to write the check.

[srh3trinity]

Look in the for sale section here. There is a 69 Camaro with a 454 LSX that is killer as is. A blower on that engine would make it an absolute beast.

[African Hunter]

Look in the for sale section here. There is a 69 Camaro with a 454 LSX that is killer as is. A blower on that engine would make it an absolute beast.

thanks all. I know these questions are similar to "how much does a car cost?" But any info appreciated.

on average, whats the cost range for a SC build on a crate LSX?

Whats the range for a turbo build?

reliable NOS (say 100-200 shot)?

i know approx costs on modding exotics but muscle is a new thing to me.

Who are considered the top shops (prefer socal but would look out of state) as far as quality, reliability and CS? As an example, Underground Racing is one of the top 2-3 shops for turbo lambo builds. They turn them around in weeks, come with a 2yr/24k warranty on most builds and havent seen a single negative customer experience.

On the Viper, ROE has a terrible rep and Hennesy has an ok rep recently though there are still some hard feelings for actions years past. For the Gen 5 the pickings are sparse for FOrced induction.

Looking for a shop I can speak with about lessons learned, what to watch out for, etc.

[African Hunter]

Hello,

First, welcome to the boards!

Your ideas are the definition if Pro-Touring... So no, you aren't out of place at all for wanting those things out of your classic.

If you can live with the paint and most of the car, you'll spend less overall on modifying a complete car like the few you linked to.. Compared to having one built from scratch. That black Camaro with all the awards took much more than 129 to build.. If a shop did it. Some of our customers want cars built to their spec as their own personal custom vehicle. Others do exactly what you said and get a "project" that has most of the work done and have us change a few things like engine, wheels, interior, for instance.

We aren't too close to you but we have customers all over the world we are building cars for, just gotta throw that out there

-Dale

[email protected]

Thanks Dale. Will check out your site and give you a call.

[srh3trinity]

Dale would be a good start as he has many successful pt and ls builds under his belt. As far as crate motors, I would look at Lingenfelter, Wegner, Kurt Urban and even Edelbrock. They all do nice work. For a high HP supercharged ls I would guess 20k and up. Not sure on TT. Again, Schwarz has done TT LS engines.

[Tomswheels]

Thanks Dale. Will check out your site and give you a call.

I would check out Reiss Racing and Restoration up in Escondido. He has pro-touring builds to meet any budget. He also Autocrosses with us so he races what he builds, and knows what works. We will be at Qualcomm racing this Sunday afternoon. I know he has Gen 1 and 2 Camaros, and a bunch of Chevelles available right now...

[African Hunter]

I would check out Reiss Racing and Restoration up in Escondido. He has pro-touring builds to meet any budget. He also Autocrosses with us so he races what he builds, and knows what works. We will be at Qualcomm racing this Sunday afternoon. I know he has Gen 1 and 2 Camaros, and a bunch of Chevelles available right now...

Nice. Thanks. Will stop by. What time do you guys get there. I'll be the fat dude with a beard driving a pearl white lamborghini =)

[shmoov69]

Search for Street King on here and send a PM to him. He plays with exotics and muscle too.

[Tomswheels]

Nice. Thanks. Will stop by. What time do you guys get there. I'll be the fat dude with a beard driving a pearl white lamborghini =)

We will be there around lunchtime until 4 or 5, look forward to meeting you, look for the muscle cars!

[African Hunter]

How is Pure Vision/steve stropes reputation overall? I love his TT camaro build.

[Schwartz Performance]

Steve strope is a great builder too. Most of his stuff is pretty high end.

-Dale

[shmoov69]

Steve is an awesome guy and does some amazing work. His "attention to detail" is compared with some of the best in the business and he usually does unique rides.

[African Hunter]

Sorry I didnt make it to Qcomm today. Got tied up and then was too late. Next time

[Tomswheels]

Well the SCCA National tour is here at Qualcomm this coming weekend. The 10 or so Pro-Touring cars that are registered are cars built to perform well at an actual track event, not just have a big HP number or have a big-name builder. It may or may not be what interests you, but you can see one of the very best driver/car combos in all of Pro-Touring running in your own backyard...