1965 Falcon Coyote Project

[65falkone]

Found this on another forum - can't say if it is correct or not:

5.0L DOHC
28" Length
26" Height
27-1/2" Wide

My opinion is that it would be relatively easy to get it to fit if you do something similar to what Doodler did to fit the mod motor - removed the inner fenders completely and open up the trans tunnel area. I have an FE 390 in my 65 Falcon and a C6 trans and it required some cutting, removing shock towers, new tunnel, moving brake MC over to clear VC etc but it does fit.... and they are also fairly big motors - long and wide.







This is the master after it was moved over 2" closer to the inner fender - it would not clear before even with the "low pro" stock valve covers.


Fe details:



I would be far more hesitant with swapping one in this early with the complexity of the ECU and wiring to get it to work properly in your older car. Drive by wire pedal, sensors everywhere, EFI retrofit to your fuel system etc. But if you feel confident with that end of things I say go for it - would certainly be bad ass!

For what it is worth...most people I originally talked to said putting an FE in the Falcon was stupid, too nose heavy, look like a 4x4, headers will drag on the ground, handle like standing on the nose of a skateboard.....Now that it is in and done all those guys seem to have forgot those comments and think it was always the best option

[protasone]

Good info 65 and nice pic's! You guys are funny. You want me to go to the store and pick up a magazine? How quaint LOL! Spoiled on the "net"! Where can you even buy a Hot Rod magazine these days?

I'm not worried about cutting up the tunnel or moving things around so much. I already removed the towers and installed the TCI M2 IFS and sheet metal work is like second nature to me. The thing I'm most concerned with is buying the $8500 motor and it becoming more trouble than its worth (and taking more time and money than I want to spend NOT driving this car) to PROPERLY fit it like it should and then, if it doesn't work out, selling my "used" zero mileage Coyote for less than I paid for it. I know, I'm getting a s***y attitude now right? I guess it really bugs me that I'm considering the Coyote after I had originally started this build based on a small block Ford and AOD. I hate it when that happens

I keep asking myself, Will the motor with the stock headers fit between the frame rails and control arm mounts with no contact? Will there even be ANY room for custom headers? Will the motor sit to high/low in the engine bay? How much cutting am I going to have to do to my K member or other components? All of that may not be a big deal but to what extent will I need to modify all of the above components to make it fit? Will all of this time, effort and money really be worth it considering its still a relatively new motor and ECU (which I hear has some issues of its own)?

You all brought up VERY good points that I will have to consider. Maybe I will wait until there are more aftermarket components available to me and just build a bad ass small block stroker for now. Impatience will probably get the best of me because the power-train choice is the only thing really holding me up right now. If your still reading this, thanks for listening to my rant.....It would be bad ass though wouldn't it? Damn! There I go again!

[Ron.in.SoCal]

[Doodler]

Us northerners are "lucky" enough to have about 6-8 months of downtime every year to start big projects. And by downtime, I mean piles and piles of snow. We are supposed to get 6 more inches this week and it's April! UGH! I don't know exactly how close the the coyote is to the mod 4.6, but if you have any questions or need better pictures, just let me know.

[Bryce]

Sal and I certainly have differing opinions on these types of things. There is a running joke inside the office here about when I was in sales. They'd call them "Jason orders" because I was always thinking outside the box and placing orders they wanted nothing to do with. After all, I was the one that put the order in for "lowfast" who is running our Custom IFS 64-70 Mustang front end on his Falcon. Plus I enjoy a challenge just like many of our customers.

Having said that you'd be opening a gigantic can of worms by going with the Coyote. That engine is as big as a damn Hemi(side to side). Just be prepared to not only modify and or move the firewall, relocate the master cylinder and probably not have enough room for a booster. If you go with a manual tranny you'll be making a new tunnel to accomodate it. You'll probably be looking at custom headers also.

-Jason

I like those Jason orders!

[Bryce]

Hey thanks guys. Wow! Hey Bryce! I have been following your build for a while now. You've done a great job and provided tons of inspiration! If I remember right didn't you actually considered a mod motor? This whole thing doesn't seem to be as complicated as people are leading me to believe. I'm either OVER or UNDER thinking it. Sal at TCI seemed to kind of talk me out of it. If you have a moment I would love to hear what you think about this Bryce. Forgive me if your answer is in your 80 page build thread somewhere already I have viewed so many other threads now I cant remember s**t. Thanks!!

Thanks!

No mod motor for me. I had a 4.6 DOHC in my lincoln and enjoyed it but low cost and simple are not common terms used when describing the mod motors. I do not see the advantages of a mod motor in falcon. The new 5.0 is expensive and unneccessary in my opinion for a pro-touring car. A show car maybe, one up your friend... maybe. But an autocross car, nah. I think it woul dbe better to spend the time and money another way.

[andrewb70]

....I think it woul dbe better to spend the time and money another way.

Like sticking a LS engine in it...<<runs away>>

Andrew

[Thrillrr]

Check with ajeracing.com. I believe he has a kmember for the falcons and the coyote motor.

[Jetfixr320]

Good info 65 and nice pic's! You guys are funny. You want me to go to the store and pick up a magazine? How quaint LOL! Spoiled on the "net"! Where can you even buy a Hot Rod magazine these days?

I'm not worried about cutting up the tunnel or moving things around so much. I already removed the towers and installed the TCI M2 IFS and sheet metal work is like second nature to me. The thing I'm most concerned with is buying the $8500 motor and it becoming more trouble than its worth (and taking more time and money than I want to spend NOT driving this car) to PROPERLY fit it like it should and then, if it doesn't work out, selling my "used" zero mileage Coyote for less than I paid for it. I know, I'm getting a s***y attitude now right? I guess it really bugs me that I'm considering the Coyote after I had originally started this build based on a small block Ford and AOD. I hate it when that happens

I keep asking myself, Will the motor with the stock headers fit between the frame rails and control arm mounts with no contact? Will there even be ANY room for custom headers? Will the motor sit to high/low in the engine bay? How much cutting am I going to have to do to my K member or other components? All of that may not be a big deal but to what extent will I need to modify all of the above components to make it fit? Will all of this time, effort and money really be worth it considering its still a relatively new motor and ECU (which I hear has some issues of its own)?

You all brought up VERY good points that I will have to consider. Maybe I will wait until there are more aftermarket components available to me and just build a bad ass small block stroker for now. Impatience will probably get the best of me because the power-train choice is the only thing really holding me up right now. If your still reading this, thanks for listening to my rant.....It would be bad ass though wouldn't it? Damn! There I go again!

Order it up! I will trade you my 331 stroker. 430hp. :-) I will start cutting.

[protasone]

Thanks again to everyone who took the time to post up! Your input is much appreciated! Well, after meeting up with Bryce last weekend Im going to pass on the Coyote. Larry Holt is building a nice little stroker for me as we speak. Ill put the Coyote in a future project

[Matt@BOS]

I didn't realize you were local to San Diego. You could have dropped by to see the Coyote motor going in my '65 Mustang. I think one look would have talked you out of it. the narrowed frame rails could have been a major issue as you would have had to make a custom accessory drive to package everything. The few off the shelf offerings barely fit in between the Mustang frame rails as is. You will be happy with a built small block Ford, and you will probably have a lot less headaches and be on the road sooner.

Matt

[65falkone]

I know this is kind of a dead topic for you but....

I Was looking around on the h.a.m.b. site and found this neat stock car inspired 63 falcon with a 5.0 coyote motor. Lots of work but will be deadly when done.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...3+falcon+build




Man that looks HUGE in there

[protasone]

BAD ASS!! Lot of work though.....but still....BAD ASS!!

[GrabberGT]

That motor is just STUPID large. I need to find someone at Ford to slap over this. Just stupid! Dont they know their customer base is doing averything they can to stay loyal. We could use a little help here Ford! Anyway...

Love the look of that Falcon though.

Cant wait to see how your project progresses.

[protasone]

Here are a few pics from the last couple of months. Will upload more soon. Can t wait to drive this thing!!

[protasone]

I know this is kind of a dead topic for you but....

I Was looking around on the h.a.m.b. site and found this neat stock car inspired 63 falcon with a 5.0 coyote motor. Lots of work but will be deadly when done.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...3+falcon+build




Man that looks HUGE in there

65Falkone, thanks for the pics! Damn! That motor IS HUGE!! Kind of glad I am going with the SBF now Looks a fun project though. I will eventually find something to stuff a Coyote in LOL!

[Jetfixr320]

I know this a old thread, but came across another 1963 Falcon with a Coyote, and with What? A TCI IFS.
http://www.paulsautomotiveengineerin...is-on-the-road

Not much other info on how they did it. But it looks great in there.

[xsboost90]

thats funny- Pauls is near me and i stop in every time i get a chance to check out cool projects. I saw that car a couple years ago when it was just done and that motor was wedged in there. Trans tunnel had been chopped up too but they all need that with a good trans.