SAN DIEGO AUTOCROSS Sept30 Oct20 Nov18

[go-fish]

I am having to spend some money on my daily driver but I think I can make it. Won't be able to buy my e-brake cable. Is that neded to pass tech? I got my seat belts.

[DTM Racing]

I am having to spend some money on my daily driver but I think I can make it. Won't be able to buy my e-brake cable. Is that neded to pass tech? I got my seat belts.

I don't even have an E-brake, lol.

[soloracerSD]

I think you should have one.Wiping a quick 180 side ways works though but not the best alturnitive.I blow out a brake mastercylnder once right at the finish.It was good to have one..Now the safety tech guys are listening.. Quite everyone.

[JakeR.]

I will be there and am definitely looking forward to another great event! Hope to see more of you guys out there, I know there's more of us orange county/L.A. area folks willing to drive the measly hour and a half for some driving fun.

My dad has an engagement with our motorcycle racing club so he will not be able to make this one, however count us both in for SCCA memberships George as we both plan on doing a lot of these!
Hope to see you all out there.

[soloracerSD]

Alright Jake it will be good to have you. At first I thought your text read "You both couldn't make it".Well if you have friends that want to run with us bring them down.If their car meets our PT spec.we have a group for them.We can use "PT" as a class title now.Any car is welcome in the SCCA solo2.We have a class for it.

[soloracerSD]

Car Count in PT (PRO TOURING) so far For the Oct 20 event.7:30 am work 9am 1st group& run 3rd group
THE SCCA SDAD EVENT CHAIRMAN ROBBIE R ,"THERE WILL BE A TROPHY IF WE HAVE 5 CARS IN PT"

68 Roadrunner Dan Cancel Blown motor at Button Willow
62 Dart Lady Cancel
70 Cuda? Johnny
69 RS Camaro Jake
1st gen Camaro or Nova II Rick
69 Cuda Tom

Mustang II Running SM on 100 treadwear Alcino
Mustang Convertible SM maybe ESP Richard
? = maybe,,I'll be updating this list

BP 66 vett, XP F5cobra,XP lotus in P1
And 150 other entries in different classes

It's like a dance floor !The more that enter the more join in the fun!

Any more interest in PT out there?
LAST EVENT Dan's best time was a low 72 sec ,Jake matched that time with 2 more laps in FUN RUNS.Can he beat him in 4laps.Rick has raced the Q as often as Dan.Could he be a contender?

IF YOU ARE NEW AT THIS CALL ME.If YOU HAVE A QUESTION CALL ME 619 275 4845 George

[JakeR.]

To add to the fun it looks like my dad will be entrusting me with his '69 camaro this weekend. I love driving it and broke into the 72.2 range last time so I am extra excited for this event!
see you all out there

[soloracerSD]

Jake..A guy asked me if he could get a ride in the White RS Camaro Last event.So if your around for Fun Runs or doing X runs. I'm sure he will be looking for you.

[V8240Z]

My car is still not done, but I will come and work the work group. I know there was some discussion of getting together Friday night to formulate rules for the class etc.... any update on that? If we are going to formulate rules perhaps we should mirror the new run groups for the So-Cal Challenge series.

[soloracerSD]

I read that So-Cal Challenge had plans for that.I'm curious to see what they have ..As for SDR -SCCA.we follow what is in the SCCA SOLOII &SOLOI rule book.And we have added some to that .42 classes..WE do now have a PT available to us to use as our class.PT-X for Xruns.Basicly 74 and older or same platform as a74 but newer.American made V8 4 seater.rear seat can be removed,Stock frame and mounts any bolt on pieces including 3& 4 link etc.Aftermaket subframes &IRS allowed now but maybe later with weight pentalty of 200lbs.A 4" ground clearance front to back excluding exhaust and suspension pieces.Working glass windows and lights.5" spoilers front and rear.Interior B-Pilar forward.Door panels,carpet, dash pad.It's to be a super street car!We may divide cars into 3 weight groups running in same class.Being based on big power engined cars will carry more weight and allowed wider wheels.


.5 liter V8 non turboed cars weight 2850 to 3000 and use 8" maybe 9" wheels.(CP is 2700lbs) (SM is 2800lbs and if you use 275 wide tires or smaller 200lbs is dropped)

350cbin" non turbo 3100 to 3400 10 inch wide wheel

Forced induction 350cb"or big block non turbo at 3500LBSplus on maybe 12"wide wheels.

We could base wheel width on the front ones and allow a 1"increase in the rear
Brakes are unrestricted but no Carbon on Carbon..ALL ON 200 TREADWEAR All CARS IN SAME CLASS
The lighter car should stop faster. Big power cars should come out of the turn faster.For autocross this might work.With no back seat, weight can be added there, Bolted down, even a box.The cheapest weight group would be 2850 to 3000
Also for all classes adding Forced Induction. The SCCA allowes any size turbo but only one.A restricter must be used.52mm half inch deep with in 4" inches of inlet.

Cars not meeting these terms can run in SM,CP,XP at same time as PT

I run a Mazda Rotary..This is my best shot at being neutral and writing a class equalizing vintage muscle cars.Even the big power cars can keep their back seat and add boom boxes.

.The SCCA already has FS STU ESP SM SU CP XP fitting V8 4seater cars and I left some out.I bet our ESP is much like SO-Cal's Stock Modified.
Something else to look into is How the SCCA Formulas SM now.RWD1800lbs +(200lbs X liters)=car weight
a turbo formula is 1.4+ liters. PT cars should be slightly heavier like (260 x liters)

If I knew their formula WE could make something work.I was looking at the thread today and videos on youtube of El Toro.It was an amazing event,a lot of space!Ah if Grand AM and American Le Mans can,so can we..,,

[soloracerSD]

DTW Dan wants the Friday meeting.I'm thinking having to be at the stadium at around 7:30 am.I know guys want to check on their cars friday night.Maybe best to discuss it at the stadium.PT works first group 9am and run 3rd group around 10:45am.Plenty of time after that.We also have two more events after Oct 20.

I sent a discription of what I was thinking to Dan.Dan approved of it.That doesn't make it final.

Making PT cars work all in one class is complicated at first.Remember SCCA already has 6 similar classes Just a few years ago SCCA's SM class had 9 different weight groups for one class.

Come to the Event.As a note you have to be a member to work on the course.But who knows
I choose to prepare for event friday night.Meeting is up to who wants to.

Mr V8240z bring what ever car you have and run it.If you have a 240z with V8 that would be SU(street unlimited) and run at same time as PT or you can run in EM (E-Mod) we even have racing GO-KARTS

[alcino]

Can we make the tread wear 180? That opens up the tire options immensely for me probably for other as well. Other than that the less rules the better. Then again I don't really care, just out to have fun.

[soloracerSD]

It stays 200 tread wear.This is why.Good Guys has gotten alot of people interested in Autocross.They all prepare for 200 treadwear.RobNot Limits is going to start up So Cal Challenge also 200 treadwear.The SCCA already has 140 treadwear classes for suspension mod stock engine cars.If I say 180 and then folks show up with160.I let them run.Then I'll get "Why didn't you just stay with 140"...lol

Also one of the things that makes PT interesting and exceptable for SDR SCCA is that.60s and early 70s cars have terrible brakes.To upgrade the brakes beyond a stock option puts you in SM orCP "No ESP".Some of the engine swaps would to.So that is why Pro Touring "PT" is a Vintage Muscle car class including modern mods in San Diego SCCA..WE give credit to Good Guys for this interest.& Pro-Touring.com

I think all we need in the way of rules is what I wrote at the beginning of this tread and in the beginning of the last rules package I wrote.The weight break down is to be something to think about.It's good to know what might be coming if your building a car.Some that want to compet and spent 2 weekends a month driving. Want to know what to or not to do on their racer.The others just want to do laps with the same kind of cars.Thats where I'm at.But, Believe me if someone is winning in a light 5 liter car.Then some one drops a supercharged V8 in their light car and wide tires.It becomes a spending contest..Plus I'm tring to prevent cars from just being a CP or XP cars on 200 treadwear.but be a good transfer to CP or XP

I'd rather bring it up now then later,thats all.Are you going to make it Saturday Alcino

[alcino]

I got everything lined up to make it this Saturday and am excited. First autoX in 7 years!

Do you guys take credit cards or is it still a check/cash deal?

Thanks for the explanation on the rules. Makes sense and a line has to be drawn somewhere. No biggie. I guess if I want a prize I'll conform.

[DTM Racing]

Seems like we've got it pretty fleshed out, I like the 7:30 meeting on Saturday morning. We can use my truck and the Road Runner as the rally point again so we can all find each other easily, I'll get there about 7ish.

[soloracerSD]

Okay a little update or reminder of this saturday.Oct 20

We are running on the South East Lot. so enter Stadium and turn left.The West Lot where we raced Sept 30 is having the San Diego Porsche Club autocross.On sunday in the lot we are using.The San Diego Karting Club will be using.So Qualcomm is a race track to a lot of us.

In competition classes there are rules different then Xs which is what we used before AM-X.We used it as competition though.Anyway there is no riding or driving in a run group before 3rd group PT's run group.There are no passengers allowed.These are competition rules.The only passengers allowed in Trophy run classes are instructors.If you have one they will put a BRIGHT YELLOW "INSTRUCTOR" magnetic sign on your car.This is so no one will tell you to remove your passenger.There is also no changing of driver in PT.5 cars running as PT are needed to qualify for trophy.

Walk the track as many times as you can.Saturday morning early is the only chance you get before PT runs. Doing a Novice walk is still a good idea.7:30 is a good time to be there.There will be a drivers meeting that will take up some time too..



To add: Photographer Larry H. from lateapexphoto.com will be taking pics of the autocrossing events

[DTM Racing]

Hey guys, sorry to say I won't make it. One of my connecting rods decided it didn't want to be in the motor anymore while I was testing at Buttonwillow yesterday. Pretty cool. I'll link some pictures later! Have fun tomorrow and speed safe!

[soloracerSD]

To add to class discussion.The more that we can relate to what is used in SCCA rule book the better.The Formula used now for engines vs weight in SM is.A RWD car starts at 1800lbs+(200 x liters)=weight of car
turboed cars add1.4 to Liters.Cars using 275 or less in tire width drop 200lbs.A 5 liter car would be
2800-200=2600 if on 275s

WE twick 200 to 260
1800lbs+(260 x liters)=weight of car

2800+(260 x 5)=3100-200=2900 5liter on 275s Bryce and Alcinos Mustangs

2800+(260 x6.2)=3412lbs Dan's Roadrunner


2800+(260X(5+1.4)=3464lbs this is with 5 liter turbo , 52mm restrictor maybe SCCA requiered
I heard turbos aren't restricted in SM


This closely matches what I predicted earlier, but in SM no car has to weigh over 3100.We don't have a cut off,well maybe 3500.It will help keep the Chevelles and Roadrunners ,El Caminos.and pickups in the game.

In SCCA classes "CP" 5.Liters are 2700lbs in SM 2800lbs to 2600lbs in PT 3100lbs to 2900lbs.
In CP over 5.1 is 3000lbs minimum no less

SCCA SM AWD 1800lbs +(300lb x (liters +1.4 for turbo)=car weight, A 2006 Mitsu EVO is 2820lbs........ On 275s you drop 200lbs=2620lb Go to our FACEBOOK and see the ORANGE One that races with us.
How about a BMW M3?..Ouch!

[soloracerSD]

Good event! But I found out bad news about future events on the WEST LOT.The big lot on the sloping hill everyone likes.The Stadium has least it out for every weekend next year.It will be "OPEN AIR MARKET".I got the word when we were doing FUN RUNS.Are we going to get to use that lot at all next year? I don't know..I saw a map that showed lower half for Market parking.
We have 2 more events this year.On the WEST LOT..So Enjoy it now. I was stunned!

Check SDR-SCCA.com/solo2 for scheduling.Nov 18,Dec 9th look for SM class

If your looking for more Active Car Events in San Diego? Try

sdclubracing.com They run 2 SDR- SCCA autocross events as a group, then 2 drag racing events,then 2 gymkhona.You pay in and get cash in your hand at end of year.They are taking signups now.They have a hard tire rule.Justin is the MC

[DTM Racing]

Oh man, that's no good.