Detroit Speed And Engineering Mustang Parts

[67cougnut]

Formula, think DSE Nova it removes the oe shock tower and suspension to replace with subframe and also add new custom made inner fenders.

The guy at their booth said that it would use the existing frame rails but would allow for removal of the shock towers. I have a feeling that it will be kind of like the JIM MEYER setup that came out. knowing DSE it will be Different then the J.M. but its the only kit that comes to mind that will bolt up,still utilizes an upper and lower arm with different coil spring placement, and doesnt use a strut and will allow shock tower removal.

[bighead]

I seriously hope its more like the 1962-1967 Chevy II front clip that DSE produces!

http://www.detroitspeed.com/1962-196...frnt-frme.html

[67cougnut]

I seriously hope its more like the 1962-1967 Chevy II front clip that DSE produces!

in which way? a mustang doesnt have a bolt on front subframe so there is no dice there. I'm sure DSE is going to do a hell of a good job and will be a serious contender in the aftermarket ford suspension world.

[bighead]

in which way? a mustang doesnt have a bolt on front subframe so there is no dice there. I'm sure DSE is going to do a hell of a good job and will be a serious contender in the aftermarket ford suspension world.

I have no question that what they are going put out is going to be awesome! I was just thinking more along these lines.

http://www.roadstershop.com/products...-subframe-form

[dontlifttoshift]

The RS stuff is very nice and will perform quite well.... but that is a complicated install by comparison. For some, that is no big deal for others it might be a little intimidating.

[67cougnut]

I have no question that what they are going put out is going to be awesome! I was just thinking more along these lines.

http://www.roadstershop.com/products...-subframe-form

that is an impressive looking setup!

[andrewb70]

The package from Cortex Racing is very nice as well. It includes their billet spindles with a severe duty bolt in hub assembly. Very nice.

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/tec...car/index.html

Andrew

[67cougnut]

The package from Cortex Racing is very nice as well. It includes their billet spindles with a severe duty bolt in hub assembly. Very nice.

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/tec...car/index.html

Andrew

$7995.00 less brakes!

[andrewb70]

$7995.00 less brakes!

Definitely at the high end of the price scale. The spindles certainly add to the price. The hubs alone are probably 300-400 dollars each.

Andrew

[ace_xp2]

It's interesting, both the Cortex and the Griggs system have a suspension which should move back in bump. They seem to give up some caster gain and end up with anti-dive to get it, so I wonder what for? Both (especially Griggs) are pretty track oriented, so I wouldn't think bump compliance would be a big concern.

[andrewb70]

It's interesting, both the Cortex and the Griggs system have a suspension which should move back in bump. They seem to give up some caster gain and end up with anti-squat to get it, so I wonder what for? Both (especially Griggs) are pretty track oriented, so I wouldn't think bump compliance would be a big concern.

Care to spell that out a little better for dumb dumbs like me?

Andrew

[ace_xp2]

If you look at the lower arm, you'll see that the rear mount sits further outboard than the forward mount. In other words, from a top down perspective the mounts are splayed out instead of being parallel to the frame rail. So when you hit a bump, the ball joint moves back relative to the chassis instead of just going up and down.

Now the upper arm has some anti-dive on it, you can see it's tilted front to back in the side shots. That also means that it does the same thing, the ball joint moves back as it encounters a bump.

This is often done to increase ride compliance, the suspension now moves in two dimensions instead of just one, so the tire now moves up and back as it encounters a bump.

If the upper ball joint moves back relative to the lower ball joint, you get caster gain. The suspension essentially "leans" the spindle back (to the rear of the chassis). But by having the lower ball joint move back as well, you don't get as much caster gain as you would without it.

Now, Caster gain isn't always a good thing, it generates load at the wheel based on body roll, so too much of it can create the impression of "bunching up". An unnatural rise in steering effort as the car rolls. So maybe they're just trying to mitigate the caster gain that comes around as a result of the amount of anti-dive they went with.

I'm not big on anti-dive, there was an interesting article by Mark Ortiz where he mentioned that it can produce a variable amount of understeer based on tire loading. However, making up for it not being there with spring rate may make for an uncomfortable street ride, I haven't been able to test that yet. I would note that the Lotus Elise apparently gets away with none, which is likely easier for it due to its weight and weight distribution.
Article at the bottom of page 3:
http://www.theoryinpracticeengineeri...er/2004_12.pdf

[andrewb70]

Ace,

That was perfect! Thank you for the explanation.

Andrew

[andrewb70]

As a side note, the Cortex red Mustang that features this suspension and a LS7 competed in the optima Ultimate blah..blah..blah deal. I wonder how it did.

Andrew

[Jeff70]

The Cortex Mustang ran a 1:50.265 good for 8th fastest to Danny Pops 1:42.208.

I've seen the Mustang run a my local track Sears Point I would say its more race than street, badass car though.


http://mustangsdaily.com/blog/2011/1...tang-race-car/

And here is a fastback back they are building.

http://www.cortexracing.com/projects/colin-65/

[andrewb70]

I've seen Danny Pop's Z06 at the MotorState Challenge and it is definitely more race than street as well.

Andrew

[faust]

Looking at the CorteX website, the complete front suspension if you provide your own SN95 spindles runs $5696. The high-end package that comes with the Radial X billet drop spindles is $7995. That makes sense since the Radial X spindles go for $2995 on their own. If you buy the complete kit you are essentially getting a discount over getting the components by themselves. This kit gives you the option to either keep or remove the shock towers depending on if you want to maintain a factory looking engine compartment.

http://www.cortexracing.com/store/su...vintage-front/

Here is a picture with the shock tower in place.

[Rols574]

I have seen the prototypes. It is going to be very cool.

Now this is just being mean!!

Can't wait!!!!

[Nothingface5384]

Now this is just being mean!!

Can't wait!!!!

bump!!!

any updates...its nearing march! so it has to be close to release

[Jeff70]

I called a few weeks back & was told it will debut at Run to the Alamo next weekend.