Ebay Aluminum Radiator??

[vintageracer]

Jobs, Jobs, Jobs. That discussion always sound great and plays well to the public.

The discussion that ALL these jobs moved overseas plays well to the public but is not reality and that should be far more obvious to members of this board than the general public. So where did a large amount of the "lost" jobs actually go?

Those jobs went to a MACHINE!!!!

Many of you on this site work in manufacturing or have certainly been in manufacturing facilities. Walk into a manufacturing plant 10 years ago and now walk into the same facility today making the same product and the same amount of product. What is the FIRST thing you would notice? WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO WORKED HERE 10 YEARS AGO???

Simple! The jobs those people performed were replaced by a MACHINE!!!!

Many of the jobs lost in the last 5-10 years in this country were not lost to a foreign worker they were lost to a MACHINE! The machine does not take a vacation, does not need health and workers comp insurance, does not belong to the union and will work 23 hours a day and 7 days a week without bitching, complaining, smoke breaks, cell phone calls, family problems, and all the other baggage associated with employing a living and breathing person. All of which leads to increased productivity!



Here is the problem for most all of the displaced workers who lost "a" job to a machine. Notice I did not say "their" job. That would mean that they owned the job and have fired themselves. It was not "their" job in the first place so get over the idea that I lost "my" job. Unfortunately in most situations the person who lost a job to a machine is not qualified for any of the FOUR (4) NEW JOBS created by that new machine. Yes that machine created at least 4 NEW jobs. Someone had to design the machine, someone must manufacture the machine, someone must operate the machine and someone must maintain the machine. Notice that these FOUR (4) NEW jobs created by the installation of this machine are considered "High Tech" and the person who lost that job to a machine does not have the technical skill sets required for these "new" jobs created by the installation of a machine that replaced that worker. All of a sudden sitting fat and happy on a manufacturing line for many years without upgrading your skills through education and training in new technology at the expense of your employer or at your own personal expense was not such great plan as it was in the past!

It is true that most "older" workers certainly have experience and that experience is in older technology. Whether you are high level management or working the production line you must INVEST IN YOURSELF to learn new technology as it relates to your industry. Each of us can name 100's of jobs that no longer exist due to advances in manufacturing technology and manufacturing machinery.

Having said all of the above I suggest each of you ask YOURSELF this question:

AM I NEXT???

[CreepinDeth]

Many of you on this site work in manufacturing or have certainly been in manufacturing facilities. Walk into a manufacturing plant 10 years ago and now walk into the same facility today making the same product and the same amount of product. What is the FIRST thing you would notice? WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO WORKED HERE 10 YEARS AGO???

Simple! The jobs those people performed were replaced by a MACHINE!!!!

Machines have been doing the work of humans since long before the mid 90's.
Job growth under Clinton was astronomical VS the new millennium and any president in history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_cr...eation_by_term
If your perception was accurate we'd still see a HELL of alot more products still made in the USA.

If that was the case,
#1. 99.9% of our US vehicle parts would still be made here in the USA
#2. 99.9% of our US Products we purchase at Target, Walmart, Home Depot, etc would still be made in the USA.

The unfortunate reality is that this isnt' the case. In fact it's the opposite....99% is from China.
All call centers for banks, and even credit card companies are deploying overseas as well to India.
Hell even Ebay for no reason sent their offices overseas in 2005......no reason other then fatter profit margins.

So while yes, jobs have been lost to Machines, they are no where NEAR the scope you're angling at.
My Uncle was a master electrical engineer since the 70's and 80's programming robotic assembly lines for Black and Decker.

Everything is being shipped overseas for cheaper labor costs with no tariffs to import it back here.
The 1990's we had 10 years of economic profit due to higher taxes and tariffs still in place.
You'll notice Bush and Obama both have had dismal job growth in the past decade......
It isn't because of machines, it isn't a red VS blue issue either.
It's because of outsourcing and FREE TRADE which puts us at a completely unfair labor cost disadvantage.

[Driver X]

Afco makes a good one , Ive been running one for 6yrs now in my 71 nova with a 525hp 406ci sbc - with no problems ! and the price was bout $ 230 at my local speed shop they may have gone a up tad since i bought mine .

[esenior]

As someone who who works with an offshore development center and who recently spent 4 weeks in Taiwan working with a panel fab, I can see arguments for both sides. I think that every individual needs to decide for themselves where to buy based on their own circumstances.

I purchased a 3-Row Champion Radiator with fan for $230 from classic_radiators on ebay back in December 2009. I installed this in my 66 El Camino with a 396. Kit did not include an overflow tank or wiring/relay for the fan. Never had any problems and keeps the motor running cool.

Last May, I purchased a 4-row Champion with fan for $290 from performance-cooling for my son's 69 Camaro SS350. Again, no problems at all, but don't have much road time yet.

If you're on a budget, definitely worth looking at all options.

[SparkyRnD]

We also offer discounts to PT members, and would much rather see good quality American products being used instead of cheap import stuff (I won't get into the other arguments)