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    1. #1
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      T56 Reverse Lock out

      I've read where some of you guys where hooking up your reverse lock up to your brake light switch. To those who have, do you hear the solenoid engage everytime you hit the brakes?

      How is it activated on a factory aplication?



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      I really can't hear it when the car is moving.
      Jeff

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      I can't hear mine if the car is running.....OEM the PCM deactivates it
      Matt
      1980 Malibu, off the jackstands.....let's see if a T-56 will last longer than a TH-700R4

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      thats really not a good idea. imagine how many times that solenoid gets activated..... i put it on a micro switch.
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      here ya go....I doubt rigging it to the brake pedal will have a effect on anything considering that OEM it's tripped anytime you are going less than 3mph

      "Reverse Inhibit Description and Operation
      The reverse inhibit solenoid is a safety feature which prevents an inadvertent shift into reverse at speeds above 5 km/h (3 mph) . The system consist of the following components: [*]The powertrain control module (PCM) .[*]The reverse inhibit solenoid. With the ignition ON battery voltage is supplied directly to the reverse inhibit solenoid. At forward speeds above 5 km/h (3 mph) the PCM grounds the control circuit of the reverse inhibit solenoid. This energizes the solenoid and mechanically blocks the shift lever from going into the REVERSE position."
      Matt
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      Thanks guys.

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      Quote Originally Posted by RatMalibu View Post
      here ya go....I doubt rigging it to the brake pedal will have a effect on anything considering that OEM it's tripped anytime you are going less than 3mph

      "Reverse Inhibit Description and Operation
      The reverse inhibit solenoid is a safety feature which prevents an inadvertent shift into reverse at speeds above 5 km/h (3 mph) . The system consist of the following components: [*]The powertrain control module (PCM) .[*]The reverse inhibit solenoid. With the ignition ON battery voltage is supplied directly to the reverse inhibit solenoid. At forward speeds above 5 km/h (3 mph) the PCM grounds the control circuit of the reverse inhibit solenoid. This energizes the solenoid and mechanically blocks the shift lever from going into the REVERSE position."
      That's odd, because applying 12v to (energizing) the reverse solenoid on my LS1 T56 makes it easier to shift into reverse.
      Mike Kelcy - '68 Camaro with some stuff done to it.

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      I have mine wired to a switch on my console. thought about the brake activated switch, but as stated it would get activated many times when not needed and could lead to a miss shift for an occasion when you need to brake and shift.

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      I have this in a 6 speed version. I wired the button to the solenoid.


      Rick Butterfield

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      Quote Originally Posted by Happyfunballs View Post
      I have this in a 6 speed version. I wired the button to the solenoid.

      That looks like a winner!
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      Quote Originally Posted by Takid455 View Post
      I have mine wired to a switch on my console. thought about the brake activated switch, but as stated it would get activated many times when not needed and could lead to a miss shift for an occasion when you need to brake and shift.
      agreed. I ran mine via the brake. I am going to add a switch when i get time.
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      Mine is controlled by the PCM of the LT1, as mentioned above, if going less than 3mph the PCM will disengage it. Somehow that connector came off the solenoid & you can overpower the spring in the solenoid to get it into reverse. So it is not something you HAVE to have, you can muscle it into R without having it disengage. It isn't that much of a force either.
      Scot
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      Quote Originally Posted by Samckitt View Post
      Mine is controlled by the PCM of the LT1, as mentioned above, if going less than 3mph the PCM will disengage it. Somehow that connector came off the solenoid & you can overpower the spring in the solenoid to get it into reverse. So it is not something you HAVE to have, you can muscle it into R without having it disengage. It isn't that much of a force either.
      Yeah, I ran my Nova without it hooked up. Just took some effort to get it into R.

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      Another idea

      Has anyone thought about (or implemented) wiring from the brake light switch to a (probably new) clutch switch in series?

      Then, power to the solenoid would only be applied when both the brakes are on and the clutch pedal is depressed.

      It's not perfect, but should inhibit many of the false solenoid activations inherent with using just the brake light switch.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Samckitt View Post
      you can overpower the spring in the solenoid to get it into reverse. So it is not something you HAVE to have, you can muscle it into R without having it disengage. It isn't that much of a force either.
      That's correct. It's just the spring in the solenoid you need to overcome. It doesn't harm anything by doing it that way.

      To me it's the perfect security measure against putting it in reverse when you don't want it there.

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      I had intended to put a key'd hot to it and just have it shut off when the key is on.

      However, why can't I just take the whole thing out and fab up a plate and gasket to cover the hole? I'm pretty sure I can keep it out of reverse, but maybe its there for a reason. Anybody remove it and find its way too easy to hit reverse? I may try taking it out tonight and see how it feels.
      RJ Cilurso
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      Quote Originally Posted by AintQik View Post
      . Anybody remove it and find its way too easy to hit reverse?
      I have, and it is far too easy to get into reverse. With such a narrow shift gate, going to R instead of 5 is far too easy. Leave the solenoid in and muscle past the spring, or wire it up however you see fit, but don't leave it off completely. I just push through into R with my 06 Viper T56 with a bit of muscle, which can be a little slow and awkward at times, but I'm not robbing banks or anything like that in my GTO so rapid shifts into reverse really aren't that important to me...
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      Yeah, it can go in way to easy.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Happyfunballs View Post
      I have this in a 6 speed version. I wired the button to the solenoid.

      Nice option. where did you find that shifter nob?

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      Summit list several for both auto and manuals. It just has a momentary switch which can be used for line lock, nitrous activation, reverse lockout, or whatever you want to control. 1 is made by B&M and 6 are made by Hurst. The Hurst are available for 5 or 6 speed as well as versions for automatic and manual transmissions.
      Doug Gulley

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