Project BLUEprint, 1965 Falcon

[soloracerSD]

I hope you make sept 30 event..So Bryce do you know of cars coming? Scott Lewis will have a trophy made for PT-X if we have 5 cars or more.I added more SCCA Membership info at San Diego Autocross thread/post

[johnny68]

hmmmm the only time i get to drive mamas nova is when it needs gas but maybei can make it
john

[soloracerSD]

Johnny68 come to the San Diego Autocross thread/post..Thats if your saying you mightbe interested in our sept 30 event..I want people to show interest there.
It looks like the Nova is a father son build .Thats great! So now you can both run in on our track together.I'm still waiting for the days race schedule flyer to be posted at sdr-scca.com.Then I'll set a time of day for PT-X cars to show up.You can show up at 7;30 am if you want and make it a all day thing to.Remember 200 Treadwear tires wide ones is good too.

[Bryce]

I hope you make sept 30 event..So Bryce do you know of cars coming? Scott Lewis will have a trophy made for PT-X if we have 5 cars or more.I added more SCCA Membership info at San Diego Autocross thread/post

Johnny68 come to the San Diego Autocross thread/post..Thats if your saying you mightbe interested in our sept 30 event..I want people to show interest there.
It looks like the Nova is a father son build .Thats great! So now you can both run in on our track together.I'm still waiting for the days race schedule flyer to be posted at sdr-scca.com.Then I'll set a time of day for PT-X cars to show up.You can show up at 7;30 am if you want and make it a all day thing to.Remember 200 Treadwear tires wide ones is good too.Heres my # 1619 275 4845 George if you have questions.This # wont be posted long.So if any one is interested out there give me a call.

There is no chance at this point for my car to be back together. The next two weekends are booked and no time to work on the car. I will try to make it out there and show my support.

[Bryce]

hmmmm the only time i get to drive mamas nova is when it needs gas but maybei can make it
john

John,

Let me know if you are going to take the nova. I will come out and support. Also call me this weekend or shoot me a text, I lost your number.

[bepperson70]

I would like to start with an old school S&E two thumbs up, your car and skills are top notch I've read this thread twice and have found very little on your front suspension build. I bought my Falcon in Aug. 2012 after years of wanting one an older guy Ive known for years had it and wanted my little hot rod chevy pu so we made a deal!I want it mainly streetable but would like to autocross some. The rear is a no brainer three link but Im not a MII front suspension fan mainly cause every one does it, I noticed you used some roundy-round parts how well do the work and how did you mount the coil-overs and did you change the track width any? My Falcon has a 351W so I'm looking to loose the shock towers or at least lessen them, I know speaking of lessening something I should start with this post just would like some of your input.

Thanks,
Brad

[Bryce]

I would like to start with an old school S&E two thumbs up, your car and skills are top notch I've read this thread twice and have found very little on your front suspension build. I bought my Falcon in Aug. 2012 after years of wanting one an older guy Ive known for years had it and wanted my little hot rod chevy pu so we made a deal!I want it mainly streetable but would like to autocross some. The rear is a no brainer three link but Im not a MII front suspension fan mainly cause every one does it, I noticed you used some roundy-round parts how well do the work and how did you mount the coil-overs and did you change the track width any? My Falcon has a 351W so I'm looking to loose the shock towers or at least lessen them, I know speaking of lessening something I should start with this post just would like some of your input.

Thanks,
Brad

Thanks for the compliments Brad.

I built my front suspension before I got on this forum, so i really just posted pictures. Not alot of details. I do not recommend the MII suspensions. I think the shock towers are a good design structurally. If you remove them then you need to add a lot of structure back into the chassis.

I used circle track parts. They work great and are good building blocks. I mounted the coilovers with clevises on both ends. One mounted to the LCA and one mounted to the stock upper spring mount.

The wheel mounting surface to WMS is about 1" wider. This helped with the scrub radius. I run a 245 tire on a 8" wide wheel with 5" backspace.

[xdrft]

Hey Bryce,

Came across your build thread when I googled 3 link suspension, Im on page 55 now, the good woman is now well cranky and Im most likely spending the night on the couch.

Signed on to congratulate you on the build, love your approach and attention to detail.

The reason we are looking is we have a 79 XD Falcon drift car, we have been running a 3 link for a few years now, we are almost ready to drop it all out in favor of a 4 link, so researching our options and looking for a lighter alternative, we are at 3000 pounds with the cleveland and TKO.







Our approaches are vastly different in the 3rd link itself, our third link reaches right up under the car and is double jointed just behind the extension housing. I like how you have your shocks standing upright and tucked right out near the wheels, another thing we are looking to change.

Was interesting to read the comments about the single adjustable QA1's, we found the same thing, we need strong rebound control so the rear stays tight rather than throwing the rear off the transition. Took forever to tune the suspension but looking back it was a good learning journey.

What pinion angle variation do you have through the full travell of the suspension?

Best of luck bro.

Cheers Danny

Build thread http://www.xfalcon.com/forums/index....ft2-the-build/

[Bryce]

Hey Bryce,

Came across your build thread when I googled 3 link suspension, Im on page 55 now, the good woman is now well cranky and Im most likely spending the night on the couch.

Signed on to congratulate you on the build, love your approach and attention to detail.

The reason we are looking is we have a 79 XD Falcon drift car, we have been running a 3 link for a few years now, we are almost ready to drop it all out in favor of a 4 link, so researching our options and looking for a lighter alternative, we are at 3000 pounds with the cleveland and TKO.







Our approaches are vastly different in the 3rd link itself, our third link reaches right up under the car and is double jointed just behind the extension housing. I like how you have your shocks standing upright and tucked right out near the wheels, another thing we are looking to change.

Was interesting to read the comments about the single adjustable QA1's, we found the same thing, we need strong rebound control so the rear stays tight rather than throwing the rear off the transition. Took forever to tune the suspension but looking back it was a good learning journey.

What pinion angle variation do you have through the full travell of the suspension?

Best of luck bro.

Cheers Danny

Build thread http://www.xfalcon.com/forums/index....ft2-the-build/

Cool build Danny,

Thanks for the compliments.

My rear coilovers are double adjustables from TCI and they are not QA1s. I need a lot more seat time and dial in the car.

Your 3-link is what we call a torque arm, that might help in your search for info. Lots of good tech on this forum.

I dont have a lot of pinion angle change, from memory I have less than 2 degrees over 4" of total travel.

Good luck onyour build too!

[Bryce]

Well, I have been MIA for a while.

I took the C4 apart and the PA 6 gear planetary had worn out shims along with some other stuff that needed to be replaced. I sent the planetary gear set back to PA since its covered by a lifetime warranty, they still have my valvebody as well. Hopefully things show up next week and things can go back together.

[soloracerSD]

BACK TOGETHER! We are waiting your arrival at the SDR-SCCA SOLO2 Nov 18.

[Bryce]

BACK TOGETHER! We are waiting your arrival at the SDR-SCCA SOLO2 Nov 18.

I doubt it. Im playing witht he steering today and still waiting on parts for the trans. Next week I will be at SEMA. Too much of a crunch to get everything dialed back in by the 18th. I will probably miss goodguys too. UGGHHH.

[soloracerSD]

The Falcon won't be ready..Then put your Falcon tires and wheels on you 95 Mustang.Tom ,Richard and you and others can run in SM.Wiggle your way at of that.... Nov 18 Or I could get a list of 5 or more 74 and older PTs.And you, Rich and Alcino can be in SM.. That would be 2 first place trophies from Pro-Touring .com drivers.

Flyer is out! We(SM,PT,CP) race 4th group,work 6th this time after lunch break ..FStock and ESP run 5th work 4th

[Bryce]

The Falcon won't be ready..Then put your Falcon tires and wheels on you 95 Mustang.Tom ,Richard and you and others can run in SM.Wiggle your way at of that.... Nov 18 Or I could get a list of 5 or more 74 and older PTs.And you, Rich and Alcino can be in SM.. That would be 2 first place trophies from Pro-Touring .com drivers.

Flyer is out! We(SM,PT,CP) race 4th group,work 6th this time after lunch break ..FStock and ESP run 5th work 4th

Im still waiting on parts, but I will be out there with my daughter.

[rustomatic]

Don't sweat the non-op status too much--I crashed my Falcon last week. It was a lovely combination of newly wet road and a crapload of pine needles, which sent me into a non-planned disco move (180 degrees), then airborne a bit, and luckily smacked into the side of a ditch (as opposed to falling down a long hill). I remember looking down at the road, over my hood; this was a very wrong angle...

Things learned: Get the quickest steering ratio you can stand (so as to countersteer now, as opposed to next week); Panhard is way stronger than leaf shackles; Unisteer center link bends; 50 year-old cars are pretty darn tough, especially with 100 pounds of extra steel tubing welded in...

Question for you: Did you ever cut out your inner fenders in the rear quarters? I finally got to it, after I (crashed and bent rims) decided to go up to 8-inch rims all the way around. There's sooooo much more room in there now...

[LUV2XLR8]

Don't sweat the non-op status too much--I crashed my Falcon last week. It was a lovely combination of newly wet road and a crapload of pine needles, which sent me into a non-planned disco move (180 degrees), then airborne a bit, and luckily smacked into the side of a ditch (as opposed to falling down a long hill). I remember looking down at the road, over my hood; this was a very wrong angle...

Things learned: Get the quickest steering ratio you can stand (so as to countersteer now, as opposed to next week); Panhard is way stronger than leaf shackles; Unisteer center link bends; 50 year-old cars are pretty darn tough, especially with 100 pounds of extra steel tubing welded in...

Question for you: Did you ever cut out your inner fenders in the rear quarters? I finally got to it, after I (crashed and bent rims) decided to go up to 8-inch rims all the way around. There's sooooo much more room in there now...

sounds like u had a hand full....

[Bryce]

Don't sweat the non-op status too much--I crashed my Falcon last week. It was a lovely combination of newly wet road and a crapload of pine needles, which sent me into a non-planned disco move (180 degrees), then airborne a bit, and luckily smacked into the side of a ditch (as opposed to falling down a long hill). I remember looking down at the road, over my hood; this was a very wrong angle...

Things learned: Get the quickest steering ratio you can stand (so as to countersteer now, as opposed to next week); Panhard is way stronger than leaf shackles; Unisteer center link bends; 50 year-old cars are pretty darn tough, especially with 100 pounds of extra steel tubing welded in...

Question for you: Did you ever cut out your inner fenders in the rear quarters? I finally got to it, after I (crashed and bent rims) decided to go up to 8-inch rims all the way around. There's sooooo much more room in there now...

Bummer dude. I did not cut my fenders just a little massaging.

[Bryce]

I dont think I ever posted this picture, back from the begining of the year.

http://lateapexphoto.com/p475701446/h183a5b2b#h183a5b2b

[fordtc87]

Bryce, I've got to say that your aluminum parts are just plain awesome. I ordered some aluminum pulleys and I love them. They are light and very nice to look at. I've checked out your build numerous times (all 85 pages) and your engineering degree is well utilized. Some day I might have to pick your brain on that 3 link. Keep up the great work!

Nate

[Bryce]

Bryce, I've got to say that your aluminum parts are just plain awesome. I ordered some aluminum pulleys and I love them. They are light and very nice to look at. I've checked out your build numerous times (all 85 pages) and your engineering degree is well utilized. Some day I might have to pick your brain on that 3 link. Keep up the great work!

Nate

Nate,

Thanks for the compliments. I have a bolt in 3-link kit whenever you are ready. HAHA.