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[Steve1968LS2]

Sorry Steve,

I would like to keep these events low pressure and safe for those out there on the fence to join us, and those that were there with us. A track day can be pretty intimidating for someone new in a car they built themselves. I would like to see double the amount of P-T cars out there. If the first step is too big it will be only the faster more experienced guys.

I know they had transponders, and if you're in the Open Group and setting a car up lap timing is extremely useful. None of us ran in the Open Group. Someone trying to put a good lap time in in a load of traffic is a dangerous thing. I want to keep it friendly and safe.

This is just my opinion.

BTW thanks for posting the great video!

Regards

CurtiSS 69

I think of track times (and times in general) as being more a gauge of progress... after all, it's nice to see over the course of the day that you're making progress (reflected in faster times). After all, without times it's hard to know if you are making forward progress in your driving skill.

I never suggested it become a "race" or that people drive past thier comfort/skill level just to get a time better than Joe Blow. Quite a few people got transponders so I was curious if they made improvements during the day.

Friendly is good.. safe is better.. and we should always keep it fun. So see, we are in full agreement

[CurtiSS 69]

I think of track times (and times in general) as being more a gauge of progress... after all, it's nice to see over the course of the day that you're making progress (reflected in faster times). After all, without times it's hard to know if you are making forward progress in your driving skill.

I don't know about the others, but this is how I gauge my progress without lap timing:

1. Am I on the line?
If yes then:
2. Am I on the throttle as much, and as hard as I can be?
If yes then:
3. Is the steering unwound releasing the car at the corner exits?
If yes then:
4. Am I at the limit of tire traction in most of the corners?
If yes then:
5. Is the chassis balance correct between under/oversteer in the important sections of the track? You need to pick where you want it to work, as there is no blanket setup to make it work everywhere.
If yes then:
6. Use lap timing to fine tune driving and chassis setup.

I feel this is pretty easy. I personally haven't mastered the first 5, so I don't need lap timing. When I am out on the track I am not impatient if someone less experienced is holding me up as they will let me by when it is comfortable for them to do so. If someone comes up on me I point them by as soon as possible remaining on the line where I am predictable, and as they are going by I lift -if possible*- to assist them in getting the pass complete. *Don't lift in a throttle balanced turn or you may spin out.

If you believe you do 1 through 5 well mount a video camera and review your track sessions. Problems with 1 and 2 will stand out like a camper shell sitting in the middle of the freeway. 4 is not hard to identify, and 3 & 5 are usually a bit more subtle.

Once you have mastered 1-5 you are blindingly quick and you can procede to competition in TT or wheel to wheel racing if you desire.

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[Steve1968LS2]

I don't know about the others, but this is how I gauge my progress without lap timing:

1. Am I on the line?
If yes then:
2. Am I on the throttle as much, and as hard as I can be?
If yes then:
3. Is the steering unwound releasing the car at the corner exits?
If yes then:
4. Am I at the limit of tire traction in most of the corners?
If yes then:
5. Is the chassis balance correct between under/oversteer in the important sections of the track? You need to pick where you want it to work, as there is no blanket setup to make it work everywhere.
If yes then:
6. Use lap timing to fine tune driving and chassis setup.

I feel this is pretty easy. I personally haven't mastered the first 5, so I don't need lap timing. When I am out on the track I am not impatient if someone less experienced is holding me up as they will let me by when it is comfortable for them to do so. If someone comes up on me I point them by as soon as possible remaining on the line where I am predictable, and as they are going by I lift -if possible*- to assist them in getting the pass complete. *Don't lift in a throttle balanced turn or you may spin out.

If you believe you do 1 through 5 well mount a video camera and review your track sessions. Problems with 1 and 2 will stand out like a camper shell sitting in the middle of the freeway. 4 is not hard to identify, and 3 & 5 are usually a bit more subtle.

Once you have mastered 1-5 you are blindingly quick and you can procede to competition in TT or wheel to wheel racing if you desire.

Regards

CurtiSS 69

So the only reason to time anything is if you're in a race or competition?

Interesting theory...

Again, I don't know why you equate knowing a lap time to being in some sort of competition with others, but it's your right to have that opinion.

In any event, good seeing you and I hope there's another one of these track days soon.. hopefully my car won't fall apart again. lol