Water-Fuel Cell Car Unveiled in Japan

[Tony_SS]

I thought folks said this wouldn't fly, but....

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/play...26714&src=news

[Turbo67camaro]

If it works as advertised, it will be quite entertaining watching the oil and car companies discredit the technology.

[megaladon6]

i think i'll wait until they tell you something about how it actually works. saying it runs on water has been done. running on water has been done, but it usually takes too much energy to split the molucules. and 80kph on one liter would involve impossibly high efficiency. but if it does work it'll be pretty cool.

[Declawed69]

Sounds like some kind of chemical reaction. So what happens when the catalyst runs out?

[Jim Nilsen]

Now that oil is so high priced and the value of alternative energy goes up with it, there must be enough profit to resist being bought out by big oil

They have finally priced gas where they are shooting themselves in the foot.

[MrQuick]

Oh it will work...just wait till they reveal the rest of discovered alien technology

[dogtag]

I think the big breakthrough is comming up with a system that will be self sustainable.
These schemes have a sound sicentific basis and work except for the amount of power needed to operate the device needed to crack the water.
From what I've read it's an astounding amount of power.....that said, if the process can generate enough juice to sustain the process and still have enough left to operate the car they may have hit a home run.

DT

[wayne70]

I don't know if it will change the world . Buuuuut i am sure it will raise the price of water.

[Damn True]

I think the big breakthrough is comming up with a system that will be self sustainable.
These schemes have a sound sicentific basis and work except for the amount of power needed to operate the device needed to crack the water.
From what I've read it's an astounding amount of power.....that said, if the process can generate enough juice to sustain the process and still have enough left to operate the car they may have hit a home run.

DT

That pesky 2nd law of thermodynamics is going to trip that up every time.

[novanutcase]

That pesky 2nd law of thermodynamics is going to trip that up every time.

LOL!!! I hate when that happens!

John

[absintheisfun]

That pesky 2nd law of thermodynamics is going to trip that up every time.

Not to argue, just my $.02 on science...

1. Remember that at one point in time it was KNOWN, not believed that the world was flat

2. It was KNOWN, not believed that the earth was the center of the universe--it was all-out Blasphemy to say otherwise!

3. It was KNOWN, not believed that the atom was the smallest piece of matter.



Remember that even science admits that the scientific laws are not certain--they are just the best answer/reason for an happening--until it is proved otherwise.

If it honestly is possible to create a fuel source I can drink and or put in my car, I'm all for jumping on the bandwagon...but until then I'll be pumping away at the crude...

[Damn True]

Not to argue, just my $.02 on science...

1. Remember that at one point in time it was KNOWN, not believed that the world was flat

2. It was KNOWN, not believed that the earth was the center of the universe--it was all-out Blasphemy to say otherwise!

3. It was KNOWN, not believed that the atom was the smallest piece of matter.



Remember that even science admits that the scientific laws are not certain--they are just the best answer/reason for an happening--until it is proved otherwise.

If it honestly is possible to create a fuel source I can drink and or put in my car, I'm all for jumping on the bandwagon...but until then I'll be pumping away at the crude...

That miracle fuel already exists. Veggie oil. You wouldn't want to drink much of it (might be bad for your seat covers), but you could.

[Bad Bird]

Not to argue, just my $.02 on science...

1. Remember that at one point in time it was KNOWN, not believed that the world was flat

2. It was KNOWN, not believed that the earth was the center of the universe--it was all-out Blasphemy to say otherwise!

3. It was KNOWN, not believed that the atom was the smallest piece of matter.

Remember that even science admits that the scientific laws are not certain--they are just the best answer/reason for an happening--until it is proved otherwise.

That is the thing with science. New discoveries do not necessarily invalidate older ones. The idea that the Earth was round GLOBALLY was not allowed to invalidate the fact that the Earth is flat LOCALLY. Special Relativity (Fast) and Quantum Mechanics (Small) do not invalidate Newton's Laws, as long as they are used in realm of slow moving objects, and large objects, respectively.

The other two ideas were not science at all, as they were "opinions" and did not follow the Scientific Method.

I *really* don't think we are going to get rid of the Laws of Thermodynamics, but I'm not a fan of the word "law" in this context. Nothing in science can be proven absolutely. It is all too easy to show that the laws of physics are easily broken, despite Star Trek stating the opposite.

I love this board (PT.com), I can actually have intelligent debates here, unlike most other boards.

[67 caprice]

GM has built this car already. But we have to wait 10 or 20 years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLKEx...eature=related

[Paul_J]

With the price of gasoline costing almost the same as "bottled" water I guess it's economical! I'll just stick to tap water.....

I saw a commercial for a Honda hydrogen fuel cell car. It's not a water to hydrogen car and I thing it was just a teaser.

[lowboy]

Oh, just wait. Imagine millions of cars running on water, I promise you the environmentalists will bitch about all the precious water we are consuming. It doesn't matter what we use for energy, they will find a reason to complain.

[megaladon6]

you know what's really ironic? say we switch to H2 powered cars and all they emit is water vapor. well water vapor traps heat, thus causing global warming!!!

[bigvegan]

You know, this article really makes me happy.

For a country that has consistently built superior vehicles for the past generation, it's good to see that they still get to deal with the same kind of bull**** artists and snake-oil salesmen that plague America.

Cracking the water molecule does allow you to burn hydrogen and oxygen as a fuel. The only downside is that it takes MORE energy to crack the water molecule than burning the hydrogen and oxygen provides, making this an extremely inefficient form of transportation.

My favorite comment on this came from http://packbat.livejournal.com/ - "Genepax is pulling a scam, intentionally or not. The only possible way their device could work is by annihilating the entire modern structure of physics and chemistry simultaneously, and destroy them far more thoroughly than general relativity and quantum mechanics destroyed their respective predecessors. Do not even dream of betting against those kind of odds."

Don't get me wrong, if this guy makes it work, he and Japan win.

But I'll bet anyone who wants to take me up on it a six-pack that it's a scam. (Because I'll have plenty of money for beer when I'm fueling my new car with a garden hose.)

[Jim Nilsen]

You know, this article really makes me happy.

For a country that has consistently built superior vehicles for the past generation, it's good to see that they still get to deal with the same kind of bull**** artists and snake-oil salesmen that plague America.

Cracking the water molecule does allow you to burn hydrogen and oxygen as a fuel. The only downside is that it takes MORE energy to crack the water molecule than burning the hydrogen and oxygen provides, making this an extremely inefficient form of transportation.

My favorite comment on this came from http://packbat.livejournal.com/ - "Genepax is pulling a scam, intentionally or not. The only possible way their device could work is by annihilating the entire modern structure of physics and chemistry simultaneously, and destroy them far more thoroughly than general relativity and quantum mechanics destroyed their respective predecessors. Do not even dream of betting against those kind of odds."

Don't get me wrong, if this guy makes it work, he and Japan win.

But I'll bet anyone who wants to take me up on it a six-pack that it's a scam. (Because I'll have plenty of money for beer when I'm fueling my new car with a garden hose.)

Disbelief will not make something anymore unreal than will belief make it real. My reality and your reality are not the same and the time we live in is not the same either. The theory of relativity puts everyone in a different time and place along with a considerably different amount of intelligence. It is a terrible thing to get old and outdated in your own real time when you can follow the path of others who don't have that resistance. Who do you want to believe in?

[Jim Nilsen]

If we were to go to hydrogen power and start to use water at the same rate as oil then all of the flooding would be lessened and the levels wouldn't rise

The thing that worries me the most about rising water levels in the ocean is if Al Gore was to go swimming in it, then I would be really worried. We need to tell Al to keep his fat ass and swelled head out of it and we will all be OK!