Vista = JUNK!

[LateNight72]

Wow. Not much to say other than Windows Vista = JUNK...
Anyone wanna trade a Hewlett-Packard dv9580us for _________ ?



Sorry, had to rant a 'bit. I find it humorous how Vista's Data Executable Program (DEP) can find a potential threat from my scanner.

[WS6]

maybe this will make you smile, Todd.

https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=36538

[Ricoch3T]

from what i hear vista is just xp with a 3d desktop. I hadn't seen any really good evidence to make me upgrade to it yet.

Wow. Not much to say other than Windows Vista = JUNK...
Anyone wanna trade a Hewlett-Packard dv9580us for _________ ?

Sorry, had to rant a 'bit. I find it humorous how Vista's Data Executable Program (DEP) can find a potential threat from my scanner.

[HILROD]

I got a new computer a while back. I purposely made them sell me the last XP unit in the store. Vista-shmista.

[parsonsj]

I stuck it to the man last winter. I use a Mac now.

jp

[bingham72]

Running Vista on home desktop and Laptop. I would definately NOT upgrade an old computer. It uses too many resources.
Ricoch3t, definately just graphic UI upgrade, hence the need for more horsepower!
After using Vista, it just made the MAC commercials funnier
(Cancel or Allow?)

[camarorider]

The biggest reason one might want to upgrade is Vista now truly keeps internet explorer outside of the OS. In previous OS IE was tightly integrated with explorer. Meaning from any window you could type in an URL or folder and it would go to it.

There are new talk of some businesses might just wait until windows 7 comes out in 2009 or 2010.

edit - I also switch to a Mac over the summer.

[LateNight72]

At least I'm not the only one...

It bothers me. It was either this, or wait a month to get one made with XP, which would have required me to downgrade a bunch of the hardware.

I've only had the computer for a few months (since early aug), and I am at 70gb of 120gb used (on HD #1). Luckily I still have the 2nd HD which coincidentally went postal on me several weeks back and I lost hundreds of PShop files and a few CAD/Solidworks files...

Oh yea, trying getting support from any of the CAD program manufs for Vista...

[LateNight72]

The biggest reason one might want to upgrade is Vista now truley keeps interenet explorer outside of the OS. In previous OS IE was tightly integrated with explorer. Meaning from any window you could type in an URL or folder and it would go to it.

There are new talk of some businesses might just wait until windows 7 comes out in 2009 or 2010.

edit - I also switch to a Mac over the summer.

Mac isn't an option for an Engineering Student. Even then I would be hesitant after all the negative experiences I've had with Macs since '03.

The biggest reason one might want to upgrade is Vista now truley keeps interenet explorer outside of the OS. In previous OS IE was tightly integrated with explorer. Meaning from any window you could type in an URL or folder and it would go to it.

It'll still go to a webpage if you type in a url, it justs brings up IE in a different window. Plus I can't even get on a couple forums my daily routine consists of, with out DEP closing IE.

[trapin]

I already made the decision about a year ago that this will be my last PC.

My next computer will be a MacPro. After the Camaro is done I want to get into video transferring and editing because we've compiled so much video of our kids and our lives over the past 10 years. Mac's are the best for this.

I don't imagine I will miss Windows.

[Mkelcy]

FWIW, I redid my computer in June and went to WinXP64 in June of this year. It has been the most stable Windows operating system I've ever used (which includes WinNT4.0, Win2000Pro and WinXPPro).

[johnsma22]

My friend runs the IT department for a large chemical analysis lab and will not allow Vista on any of the work stations. BTW, if you absolutely have to you can run Windows on a Mac now. XP runs better on my MacPro than it does on any PC I've ever had the misfortune to use.

FWIW, my wife runs AutoCad on XP on her MacPro.

[camarorider]

I have a MacBook Pro and they are awesome. I doubt you will miss windows when you switch. If you have never messed with a mac the best thing I can recommend for the transfer is a shortcut cheat sheet. It will show you the windows shortcuts and next the same mac shortcut.

I already made the decision about a year ago that this will be my last PC.

My next computer will be a MacPro. After the Camaro is done I want to get into video transferring and editing because we've compiled so much video of our kids and our lives over the past 10 years. Mac's are the best for this.

I don't imagine I will miss Windows.

[bingham72]

...you can run Windows on a Mac now. XP runs better on my MacPro than it does on any PC ...my wife runs AutoCad on XP on her MacPro.

Yeah, I've actually heard reports that Vista runs way better on a Mac. In fact, I just got back from a Microsoft conference ( I do this for a living) and some of the presenters were running MACs with Vista on them. Kinda strange. It's like seeing a dog and cat making out.

[harshman]

I saw the apple advertising campaign and went to the local apple store. I had my fair share of hardware failures and wanted to see what they use. Long story short - from the owner, “Apple components are high quality but are still vulnerable like PC high quality components. The main difference is that you have one company controlling all components.” Good or bad? My impression is that it is a Coke or Pepsi issue here. I am intrigued by MAC but their software is limited. I like Vista – it works for me and I have a 1200 HP turbo charged into a supercharged thingy WITH traction control that rocks for at least the next 6 months. Vista is much more secure than XP and I wanted the back-up maintenance parts as well as my previous PC burnt up 4 hard drives in two years.

[camarorider]

Oh of course. Macs still crash and still get viruses. Hopefully this thread will not turn into a war over which is better. Each have their + and -.

The funnier thing is every passing day more and more users do not need to upgrade to a new computer. They are the ones who check the internet, email, etc. They do not have a need for a 3d card or 4 gigs of ram. For them they are finding the $200 Walmart linux box is good enough. One of the reasons it sold out really quick.

[dannyho]

I've been running macs for 4 years after crashing 3 PCs in a row from virus/spyware and whatnot. however I built a PC for my engineering programs, and it uses windows xp Pro, i have the 64 bit and 32 bit versions installed on it. Vista, from what every computer nerd i talked to, sucks. outright. Even dell pulled it from their machines. It uses way too much resouces, as it caches everything you do. go with XP Pro, not XP home edition

[Aceshigh]

My next computer will be a MacPro. After the Camaro is done I want to get into video transferring and editing because we've compiled so much video of our kids and our lives over the past 10 years. Mac's are the best for this.

I've heard the same , especially for graphics.....

Me I know Vista sucks, and 90% of everyone on every forum I visit
says they either removed it, or they constantly complain about it.

XP works great......in fact SO great I will never upgrade.
Microsoft decided to leave XP on the shelves only a short time longer
so I suggest you guys get your legit copies for yourselves. It took
Windows 3.1, 95, 98, 2000, and ME to finally make this awesome O.S.

I'm not upgrading until I absolutely have to.......

[MonzaRacer]

Ok well for what its worth Macs are simply PCs with a diferent bios.
Most still have intell processors with a different stickers.
For the record Macs still get viruses, have equipment failures and cost 3 times too much.
Now for the fact I build every computer I have except this one which is simply a make do till I can get my other one finished.
This one is an old university computer a local comp shop buys them by pallet (I can get quite nice Dells for less than $400 and be very fast machines, most have generous ram, hd space, wiped and loaded and video/sound /networking all inside.)
If someone owns an XP disc all you need tis to buy an COA from Microsoft.
All XP discs have both home and pro and the COA gives you what you bought.
The big problem with Vista is is a totally new build,,,kind of like Windows Memphis(soon known as the 32 bit version of 95 or tada 98).
Millenium and 2000 were simply precursers to XP then XP borrowed from NT 4.0 and went NTFS on the way it stores info.
Vista is a whole new ball of wax, top to bottom a new operating system and yes it requires a LOT of ram and hard drive space,,,figure on seeing around 6 to 10 gb of ram or ram on disc soon.
Especially with 64 bit processors.
BUT for the short term Intel 64 bit sucks A$$, I have had 7 burn it and those were with extra heavy duty water cooling.
AMDs are cooler,faster and just palin cheaper,Intell is bloated warthog of a processor and the big numbers dont support the work done anymore.
OH and they are having to use 4 cores to do the the work of AMDs one or two, been there built and replaced them.
Vista sucks and MAcs are WAY to expensive.
Oh and dont worry Microsoft still has is tentacle in MACs OSs.
As for MACS supposed inviolate stability, bahhahahahahaha, my aunt works for a company(and she learned computers from back when they were as big as a house and used punch cards) she took time off last year to help my mom when she was waiting inan liver/kidney transplant, then got a call and went to another company and is having kittens trying to keep thier MAC ***** alive and running.
In the last 4 month they spent over $2million trying to fix problems and could have had PC based units inplace and running for 20% of that.
She told me she had to reload her laptop 7 times as it got a bug and wouldnt lowlevel the Hard Drive, she had it taken out and low leveled in an old PC laptop she had THEN reinstalled and low leveled MAC style.
MACs with bugs are a bitch to clean, and when they break they are expensive.
I can buy a lap top that will do anything I want for well less than $750 nad still run pretty much any program I want, i can buy a pile of PC parts and build one for less than $500.
Good Luck to Vista owners

[BA.]

I'd have to disagree that AMD's are all that any more. Good? Hell yeah, they're fine. I've used'em and OC'd them for a long time.
The last 18-24 months though, Intel is back on top. AMD is still the better Video compression CPU but at this point in time, that's it. They've been losing a bit of their favor the past few years. It's in the business numbers and performance charts.

Anyhoo, this threads about Vista and I agree, it's junk.
Not sure how you can mention Windows Millenium and Windows 2000 in the same sentence though. They are worlds apart.

FWIW guys, ServicePack 1 (SP1) really does fix a lot of stability issues with Vista, but there is still the drivers availability issue.

XP Pro is extremely stable but it's only as good as the parts/firmware/protection that you put around it.
(reduce heat, stable bios, a firewall, virus protection, etc)