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    1. #1
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      Quote Originally Posted by Damn True
      No way you could have known. It's not like they'd have told you that they were as crooked as a dogs hind leg.

      My question was would the mags (not just you guys) would be as eager to cover the bad stuff as they were to cover the good. IMO, a far more intersting story, and one that would benefit the readership.

      Despite the legions of people ripped off by Hennesy, I don't recall reading anything negative about him in the C&D, R&T type mags. They sure as heck let him send cars to drive though.
      It should be a news story, but it HAS to be based on facts and not rumor. If we print rumor as fact then it's called Liable.. lol

      Now the new account of the raid would constitute true news. I have passed it along.

      What a mess...

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      Quote Originally Posted by Steve1968LS2
      It should be a news story, but it HAS to be based on facts and not rumor. If we print rumor as fact then it's called Liable.. lol

      Now the new account of the raid would constitute true news. I have passed it along.

      What a mess...
      1li·bel Pronunciation: \ˈlī-bəl\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, written declaration, from Anglo-French, from Latin libellus, diminutive of liber book Date: 14th century 1 a: a written statement in which a plaintiff in certain courts sets forth the cause of action or the relief sought barchaic : a handbill especially attacking or defaming someone2 a: a written or oral defamatory statement or representation that conveys an unjustly unfavorable impression b (1): a statement or representation published without just cause and tending to expose another to public contempt (2): defamation of a person by written or representational means (3): the publication of blasphemous, treasonable, seditious, or obscene writings or pictures (4): the act, tort, or crime of publishing such a libel
      It would be libel if you printed "Those guys are crooks who have ripped people off." It would not be libel to print quotes from people who claim to have been ripped off and to print a summation from a lawsuit that is a matter of public record.
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      They were raided...both the main faciltity and the body shop. I saw the Farmers Branch Police, TxDOT and the FBI supervise the confiscation of all cars finished and otherwise. Rumor is that Doug Hasty, Chris Layne, and Richard Kearby are in jail. Apparently some of the cars they bought as cores and resold were stolen and the VINs were changed. They are done.

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      Here's an interesting link from lateral-g:

      It's a PDF of the actual lawsuit from the filmakers I believe:

      http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_documents/...ck_cage_wm.pdf
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      Quote Originally Posted by Rybar
      Here's an interesting link from lateral-g:

      It's a PDF of the actual lawsuit from the filmakers I believe:

      http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_documents/...ck_cage_wm.pdf
      Wow, interesting read. It's amazing Shelby would do something like that considering how he was so law-suit happy about protecting the Cobra name and design against the kit cars.
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      re shelby

      I had thought those guys were scum saw them at yeaone event this year. Old man Shelby is the orignal dirt bag.He did almost this smae thing with the cash grab and no car on the series one. He has done it longer than any of them.

      What gave me this low opinion is in the lawsuit he tried against the kit car companies he was going after the folks that had bough the kits also.
      He wanted 10 k a piece from them since no one was buying his cars at a stupid price. I can see using the cobra name being a problem, But he didnt design that car. The Body belonged to AC Bristol
      of the UK. Just showed he was a money grubbing mean ole *******. lol
      BTW Know he has Licensed Superformance to make them and they were the biggest competitor to Factory Five.How long before they Do the same thing. Oh yea they are in South Africa out of our legal system. HUMMM.....
      Sounds like hes for sale at a high price and integrity is not what your buying.

      Want true car guys that has kept honest and true to the sport?
      Jack Roush. He has had a amazing life read up on him sometime.
      Not a nascar fan myself but what would it be without him?

      Saleene Shelby wana be is what hes been called but he has done his on thing. The S7 is outa my range for sure but a wold class car it is.
      As far as I know Saleene has done his thing with out factory research and backing. For his own designed vehicles unlike Shelby standing on the backs that Ford Racing program engineers built for him.

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      Interesting perspective on the Vin washing allegation. Seems like it is a practice with some precedent:

      Shelby VIN's (Vehicle Identification Numbers)

      Where to Find Them and What They Mean
      VIN Locations:

      1 - The numbers are stamped into the aluminum manufacturer's plate which is pop-riveted to the driver's side inner fender panel, over the Ford VIN at the notch in the fender edge. It is visible when the hood is open.

      2 - Stamped into the passenger's side inner front fender panel, approximately halfway between the radiator support and the firewall. Visible when the hood is open.

      3 - Ford serial number stamped into inner fender panel; one covered by Shelby serial number plate, other two covered by edge of the front fenders, not visible when the hood is open.
      Clearly this was a process in use by Shelby during the original run of Mustang production in the 60's. But done completely in the open with full visibility to Ford and the CA DMV.

      I suppose the question is a matter of intent. Did Unique intend to replicate the process once used by Shelby, or did Unique intend to mask salvage titles and potentially stolen vehicles through the use of the practice to defraud customers?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Damn True
      Interesting perspective on the Vin washing allegation. Seems like it is a practice with some precedent:



      Clearly this was a process in use by Shelby during the original run of Mustang production in the 60's. But done completely in the open with full visibility to Ford and the CA DMV.

      I suppose the question is a matter of intent. Did Unique intend to replicate the process once used by Shelby, or did Unique intend to mask salvage titles and potentially stolen vehicles through the use of the practice to defraud customers?
      title washing stolen cars. They HAD an agreement with Shelby that allowed them to carry a Shelby vin and be put on the Shleby registry. It is the only thing that made their junk Elanors more valuable than any other Elanor clone out there.

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      Quote Originally Posted by cfrc51
      I had thought those guys were scum saw them at yeaone event this year. Old man Shelby is the orignal dirt bag.He did almost this smae thing with the cash grab and no car on the series one. He has done it longer than any of them.

      What gave me this low opinion is in the lawsuit he tried against the kit car companies he was going after the folks that had bough the kits also.
      He wanted 10 k a piece from them since no one was buying his cars at a stupid price. I can see using the cobra name being a problem, But he didnt design that car. The Body belonged to AC Bristol
      of the UK. Just showed he was a money grubbing mean ole *******. lol
      BTW Know he has Licensed Superformance to make them and they were the biggest competitor to Factory Five.How long before they Do the same thing. Oh yea they are in South Africa out of our legal system. HUMMM.....
      Sounds like hes for sale at a high price and integrity is not what your buying.

      Want true car guys that has kept honest and true to the sport?
      Jack Roush. He has had a amazing life read up on him sometime.
      Not a nascar fan myself but what would it be without him?

      Saleene Shelby wana be is what hes been called but he has done his on thing. The S7 is outa my range for sure but a wold class car it is.
      As far as I know Saleene has done his thing with out factory research and backing. For his own designed vehicles unlike Shelby standing on the backs that Ford Racing program engineers built for him.
      Jack Rousch was a helluva drag racer in the day...Wayne Gapp/Jack Rousch..the Tijuana taxi 4 door Maverick...had many other Ford drag cars...they were a force to be reckoned with...his little 62 or 63 White Falcon that was at SEMA a few years ago is one B/A piece..he has a very diverse history..and a class act..
      Bob "cooter" Johnson

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