Mark Stielow pulled it off, but how????

[Kenova]

In regards to the AWD transfer case, GM is now offering AWD in their full size van. It's been a few years since they built the SyTys, and the vans are obscenely heavy. Is it possible that the newer Tcases are stronger? Just a thought.
Ken

[Richz68]

Myclone & Blazerspeed,


Way ahead of you guys.... I have a Syclone chassis & suspension in line as well as all the Bravada AWD parts for it. I happen to have a two-post lift so this will ease the conversion quite a bit.



Getting back to the adapter; I think I understand what Mark is saying. The Mustang T56 must be quite a bit shorter as fas as the output shaft length and once the 1-1/2" spacer is welded to rear of the tailhousing it allows the shaft to slide far enough into the transfer case for proper transfer of power.

I have a few guys that are CNC machinists and a set of prints will make this a reaility....

[Geeto67]

A buddy of mine into subarus tells me that there is a conversion kit to convert an awd subaru wrx to use a chevy trans and rwd. I was thinking why not go the opposite way and use a wrx STI awd and gearbox. The tranny is just ok (you abuse it and it is junk) but the awd transfer case is fully adjustable like a rally car.

[kracker]

I think this would be a great idea for a Camaro, I know it has been talked about before but seems it has been more of a pipe dream before on the other post. What years did the Mustang come with the T-56? I know the C-5 spindles are the same front and rear
and with vary little mod you can mount the S-10 front wheel bearings to the C-5 uprights. So C-5 front and rear, Viper Dana 44 center in the rear, S-10 front diff and stubs...... and the magic T-56 and transfercase. Mark I like the fact that you will give up drawings but how do we get them from you? maybe you could E-mail them to?

[Restomod]

The only Mustangs to have a 6 speed are the 03 and up Supercharged Cobras.

[MuscleRodz]

6 speeds in Mustangs go clear back to the last year they offered the 5.0 in them. I know, I almost bought one.

Mike

[andrewb70]

6 speeds in Mustangs go clear back to the last year they offered the 5.0 in them. I know, I almost bought one.

Mike

Sorry Mike, Restorod is correct on this one. The only Mustang to have a factory 6 speed was the 03 and 04 Cobra.

Andrew

[Richz68]

Once I have the transfer case to use for mock-up purpose I WILL BE LOOKING INTO THIS POSSIBILTY for my '68!

It would necessitate custom front sub-frame with one-off spindles, off-set upper & lower A-Arms, front differential mounts, R&P steering, coil-overs, front prop shaft & a custom T56/Transfer case cross member.

But for now I will remain focussed on the compatibility of the T56/Transfer Case in my truck.


Still waiting for a reply about the blueprints for the spacer Mark...

Wish me luck

[Charley Lillard]

Mark is in LA. Why don't you contact Troy and buy the one he removed ?

[Richz68]

Charley,



I really would much rather get the plans for the spacer especially since I have access to a CNC operator.

I actually met Troy back in '89 or '90 at the Canfield OH Hot Rod Super Nationals when he & I were two young, skinny mullet-headed kids and he was a relative new-comer. We talked for quite awhile and he was really a funny & cool kid who I knew was going to at very least make a living out of his talents that he inherited from his dad.

I originally consider calling Troy's shop and I still plan to do so, but I probably cannot fathom how many folks call their shop after he made it on all the new shows as of late and mumble these words:


"Is Troy there"
"Yeah..... I need to speak with *trep-a-neer*"
"I want to talk to Troy"


I'm sure it will be a "No I'm sorry he's not, can I take a message". But you never know until you try so here goes.......

[J-R0d]

When I first built the Quadra Deuce it used a Borg Warner transfer case out of a Typhoon and a 6 speed out of a F-body.

The out put shaft on the trans mates to the input of the T-56 no problem there. The adapter / extension housing on the tail of the trans was off an aftermarket Mustang conversion tail housing extension with a 1 1/2" chunk of 6061-T6 aluminum welded to it. I had to use the Mustang tail housing to move the shifter forward to clear the adaptor. Once the billet aluminum was welded to the tail housing extension we machined it to match up the to transfer case. But we clocked to 10 degrees up to get more ground clearance.

A note of caution. The Borg Warner engineers that I talked with claimed that the parts could only handle 500 hp in a vehicle that weighed no more the 2800 lbs. So the QD made 500 hp and weighed 2600 lbs. We never fail any parts in the drive train. It went 0-60 in 3.2 seconds as tested by Car and Driver on BFG radials.

I have the blue prints and drawings if some one really wanted to do it again. But there are better parts available now that will handle more power so unless you are building a light car I would go another way.

Stielow :icon996:

Just curious, you mention better parts out there. What would you recommend?

TIA.

[J-R0d]

Ttt

[EFI69Cam]

The Corvette T56 looks alot like a 4x4 trans to me. Maybe a LS1 front plate and input shaft, mid shift conversion and a custom adaptor?

[dongnghiDTO]

Just curious, you mention better parts out there. What would you recommend?

TIA.

quaife supplies an awd 6 spd in h gate or sequential
form.. its in the skylineGTRs..... the image and diagrams i have
of each show an integrated gear driven casing/extension
offset to the left hand side of the trans..

i emailed them about the total wet weight of the
unit a while ago.. with no response..

im not sure, but i think you can get the case in magnesium..
if thats so, you could also get it in titanium..

its twentyfive large in aluminum.. *dramatic pause* :P

this is entering pipe dream territory so i will relent..

although, i have measured up the trans bolted to
a big block in the dimensions of a sixtyeight if you
wanna see it.. its my CAD file, ive been workin on
here and there..

i think a full gear driven solution with quaife ATB diffs
at each end would be the ideal setup.. but weight
issues are abundant.. everything needs to be tubular
and or composite.. sigh..

anyway.. the only other option i found was to design
your own.. [find a good trans and try to get a gear
on the side of it]

??? Mark Stielow:

i am very interested in the geometry of the front
suspension of the quadradeuce. i am having trouble
determining the correct a-arm lengths and distances
pertinent to an awd setup. i have some books giving
basic guide lines but no proven data. it would be
great to see some round about figures.. and i noticed
that the pushrod to the shock/spring rockers was
at a good angle.. is it 45? ..
is there a rocker ratio or is it symmetric?
would it be feasible to use a setup like on the rear
of the koenigsegg CCR? where the upper a-arm is
the integrated with a pushrod device on the
shock/spring assy.. effectively what i call an AB-arm..

please excuse me if this is too.. 'out there'..

thanks,

D

[Richz68]

Guys,



I talked to Mark Stielow personally about the stuff that is avaialable now. He mentioned that there is a AWD Pro-Touring car being built as we speak.... it will be using a Cadillac Escalade AWD transfer case. This unit although larger in size is much stronger considering power handling capabilities.


I will be getting some detailed photos of the Quadradeuce during the original build up and will have them posted here for a visual reference of the engineering that was and is involved in an AWD conversion.


MArk also explained to me how the spacer was configured. The Mustang T56 tailhousing is NOT shorter as I thought yet it is needed to relocate the shifter in a forward position as compared to the GM F-Body T56. The Ford T56 tailhousing uses different shifter linhage which will need to be used and 1-1/2" was machined from the rear of the tailhousing and the CNC machined adapter had to be jigged up to it using a dowel pin and then tig welded permanently to the tailhousing.

More details to come..... :icon996:

[4OfaKind]

Guys,



I talked to Mark Stielow personally about the stuff that is avaialable now. He mentioned that there is a AWD Pro-Touring car being built as we speak.... it will be using a Cadillac Escalade AWD transfer case. This unit although larger in size is much stronger considering power handling capabilities.


I will be getting some detailed photos of the Quadradeuce during the original build up and will have them posted here for a visual reference of the engineering that was and is involved in an AWD conversion.

Rich,
Did Mark mention what car was being built and by whom or when it will be debuted to the public? Also, have you made any progress on posting some pics?

Thanks,
Mal

[myclone]

Dunno where anyone is at on their AWD conversion but this thread was started today on the syty forum about a 6spd syclone. You guys that are working on the awd/6spd set up may want to contact the thread author for some details as I dont know anything about what was done personally, just passing on what I found.

http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=26532

[phaseshift]

Reading this thread is exciting and disappointing at the same time. I am already in the early planning stages of doing another PT car.... good motor, all wheel drive, all custom parts etc. About like my existing RC Camaro, full tube chassis, light weight but with the addition of AWD.
I am so far behind the times on this you would think I live in China or something.

Phase

[John Monnin]

Bumping this thread to the top.

I am trying to figure out my next project car and I can't decide on anything simple.

I have a Stealth TT and I love the AWD and turbopower but I really miss my 71 Lemans Sport. So I was thinking about combining them. My first thought was the 3000GT Stealth drive train because I am very familiar with it and I even made detailed computer models of the engine and transfercase. The problem is that even though the the Stealth engine and AWD components are stronger than most people believe its just too damn expensive. It also just seems wrong to me to put Mitsubishi parts in an American Muscle car.

The Syclone parts seems to be a reasonably priced alternative. I have been getting mixed reviews but it seems like they are reliable at reasonably higher than stock horsepower levels.

I am really curious what other AWD drivetrains are good candidates.

I don't think the Subaru AWD system is a good choice, they seem too fragile to me. During the 2004 Car and Driver Onelap of America contest one of ths Subaru teams blew thier tranny and I let them use my garage to swap it out. The fact that they had a spare transmission ready in case of this was my first sign that the transmission might not be the most hardy. It also has the transfercase ans differential integrated into the transmission. Try to mount a chevy Engine too it would move the engine too far forward and mess up the weight distribution if it even fit in a GM A-body.

I keep thinking about a really slick 69 GTO Judge that I saw at a PCA road course I attended in 2003 at Gateway in St Louis. The 17" GTO style rally wheels got my attention first and then the coilover conversion got my attention next. I had seen pro-touring cars in magazines before but seeing that Orange Judge tearing up a roadcourse has vividly stuck in my memory. So much so that I found this forum searching for information on the feasability of an AWD conversion

[jeff s]

I'm thinking the silverado ss or escalade awd transfer case. I thought Lingenfelter transplanted one into the s10 that had the twin turbo 427 C5r engine.
I finished installing a turbo on a Silverado SS yesterday, really hauls a**, trans may not last behind something this heavy, but in something lighter?