Resto mod=Pro-Touring ???

[TonyHuntimer]

I still stand by my previous statements.

...well if you are going to get down to the brass tacks.

Mark Stielow came up with the term Pro-Touring for Jeff Smith when he was working for Chevy Hi Performance magazine.

Ron Bramlett did not coin the term Restomod. Jim Smart from Mustang Monthly (and other Ford magazines) coined the term "Restomod."

Tony Huntimer
RaceHome.com

[chevymike]

Something else to consider. IIRC, Chevy High Performance originally coined the term "Pro Touring". I have my back issues. It made me want to build a P-T car back about 5-6 years ago. They even hooked up with ACC carpets to allow customers to order floor mats with their Pro Touring logo, which I really liked. PHR ended up using the term as well. I don't know if it was because someone came over from CHP and was using the term or some upper management thing with Primedia. I had just about canceled my subscription to PHR until the recent turn around into a P-T focused mag. Had that not happened, I would have one less mag in my mailbox.

Just thought I would throw a different light on the subject. L8R

[Ralph LoGrasso]

Here's how I personally see it.

Restomod still really describes a modded mustang for me, but the term is evolving. On some show that aired on SpeedVision, they called the year one '69 convert a restomod.

In order of performance, I see the terms as this: restomod, pro-touring, g-machine, streetfighter.

Restomod is an older car with some nice wheels, maybe factory discs all the way around, and some underhood performance.

Pro-Touring is an older car built to perform, with the inclusion of modern luxuries. These are the cars with modified suspension, nice wheels, nice interiors with air conditioning, power brakes, power steering, and so on.

G-Machine is along the same lines of pro-touring, but a little less luxurious. Basically the same car without the A/C or leather interiors, etc.

Streetfighter My personal favorite. This car is built for all out performance. Heavy suspension modifications, incredible brakes, basically as bare an interior as you can have without being "stripped". Fixed back racing seats, forged wheels, 500+hp etc. Basically a "race car" with plates.

These are just my own interpretation of the terms, many people consider pro-touring cars and g-machines to be the same thing. Originally they started out as the same thing, one mag used one term, and one mag used the other. I think over the years the terms have come to mean slightly different things, though. But again, this is just MHO.

[Matt]

I'm gonna go with Tony on this one. After all the guy did write The Book on the subject.

[DarkBuddha]

Ron Bramlett did not coin the term Restomod. Jim Smart from Mustang Monthly (and other Ford magazines) coined the term "Restomod."

I've read a couple places now where Ron Bramlett (of Mustangs Plus) did copyright the term "restomod" at some point... I wouldn't think this would be legal if Jim Smart came up with it. But what the heck do I know about copyright law???

[TonyHuntimer]

You're right. Ron does own the rights to "Restomod"

Ron is a smart guy. He asked Jim Smart if he could have rights to the term. Jim gave him the thumbs up. I guess Jim had no idea Restomod would be a household word with the Ford guys.

The rest is history.

Tony Huntimer
RaceHome.com

[Restomod]

UUUHHHHOOOOHHHH Here we now have anouther term...Streetfighter....and I thought these were motorcycles VERY big in Europe.

[Matt]

Yeah, that's what I heard street fighters referred to as. Kinda modern day cafe racers, just bear bones powerful bikes.

[vintageracer]

Well, I guess "Jim" wasn't that "Smart" when it came to the legal rights for the term "restomod". Sorry, I couldn't resist!

Let's hope Ron Bramlett is not as possesive of his intelectual property rights for his copyright term "restomod" as are the folks at "Bloomington Gold Corvette Meet". About 10 years ago they applied for and received a copyright for the term "survivor" as it applies to the condition or description of an old car. Bloomington Gold has a category of judging called "survivor" they created for unrestored cars and they believe winning this award from their show has monetary and prestige value. They have been very vigilant of late in pursuing through legal channels those private individuals and commercial business's that use that term in any way associated with the description of an old car. Because of legal contact by Bloomington Gold attorney's to Hemming's, Autotrader, Deals on Wheels etc, each now have editing software in place for the removal of the term "survivor" from any ad that is placed in their publications as it relates to describing the condition of the advertised old car. I also believe that car magazines and other related publications must acquire permission from Bloomington Gold to use the term.

And we all thought this was a hobby!

[Ralph LoGrasso]

UUUHHHHOOOOHHHH Here we now have anouther term...Streetfighter....and I thought these were motorcycles VERY big in Europe.

Yup. Streetfighters originally refers to bikes, but one of our members here Steve Chryssos (streetfytr68) suggested we use the term when describing bare bones pro-touring cars, such as his. He used this term in his feature. I just dug up the mag, it's the May '03 PHR. So, if you have the mag, check it out. The term streetfighter has stuck with a few people around here, and I hope it continues to do so. When I describe my project to people, I describe it as a Streetfighter.

[Bill Howell]

I forgot I knew how to do this-Thanks for the computer lesson Ralph

http://www.autoweek.com/article.cms?articleId=101511


Sorry, I should have done this two days ago.

[gen3bu]

resto-mod is for the guy that wants a stock appearing muscle car that has some modern bolt-ons, and better loking wheels/tires.

p-t/g-machine is for the hardcore car nut that wants to do everything fast in a car
- stops fast check
- corners fast check
- looks fast check
- accelerates fast check
and it might have a/c and a stereo for that cross crountry trip just for fun

p-t sounds like a good daily driver to me (800 hp, 1.2g skid pad, 98 feet 60-0, looks like a race car with dot radials)
:3gears: :icon996:

[Al Moreno]

Actually is you want to get down and dirty. Mike adams from Adams Rod Shop in palm beach Fl. started the trend with a tube chassis 67 Corvette with C4 suspension around 1994 and called it Pro-Euro for the PHR magazine article. Which created the catalyst for Pro-Touring

[DarkBuddha]

No, wait, mine is bigger...

[RobM]

i personaly have always hated lables. i dont want my car to be in any catagory. i just want it to function as i want it to and be an extention of my creativity. i think we all need to define what the best suspension or motor set up is rather then what name we have for our cars. not to flame any one but i think some times people get cought up in the wrong things.

[gen3bu]

i personaly have always hated lables. i dont want my car to be in any catagory. i just want it to function as i want it to and be an extention of my creativity. i think we all need to define what the best suspension or motor set up is rather then what name we have for our cars. not to flame any one but i think some times people get cought up in the wrong things.

perfectly stated. that is the beauty of the p-t crowd -- they/we are open minded.

[kmracer]

to me resto mod is not brand spacific and neither is pt...
to me its simply pt is more of a hard core restomod... ie autometer gages, corbou seats, roll cage, efi, more high perf. stuff.

[Nine Ball]

Nice discussion. You guys left out "Drag-Touring". I think they used that description on the '67 Year One Chevelle (red/silver car). Basically a pro-touring car that can pull double duty at the drag strip and run well.

Based on Ralph's descriptions above, I'd say mine is a StreetFighter. no A/C, no radio, built to haul ass. The added bling under the hood was just icing :D

Tony

[1970cuda]

how about just saying it is a damn nice car!!!!!!!!

[Bill Howell]

I am watching rides right now. It is the one about the fiberglass 66 or 7 nova. They mentioned they were building it as a Pro-Touring type car, then the next thing out of their mouth was muscle rod as if that is another word for p-t. I researched the web and found that there is a company in Georgia that has a website called brphotrods.com and they also own the domain musclerod.com
I just found that interesting....anyway we have one more name to add to the list.
There seems to be no end to the name game, but whatever you call it , the hobby seems to be growing by leaps and bounds.