g body front suspension ?'s

**gen3bu** · 07-09-2005

we need pics and/or drawings. yes i measured to the bushing centerline from the grease zerk. i will recheck it monday.

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**Supercharged 86** · 07-09-2005

Not to change the topic, but I think these would considerably help bump steer on the stock spindle. I lowered my car so I really don't need them quite so much, but they look like they'd be helpful...

**Chevy350** · 07-12-2005

John; If the steeringarms are too low already, won't those make matters even worse? As adjusting for extreme positive caster helps BS (raises the steeringarms), with it's own backsides with it...

Wally; It makes sense if it's usual to modify the lower mounts in the frame, as none of the advertisers ever have mentioned they would be bolt-on:
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I just assumed they would... Thanks to all for clearing this up!

Brian D: Thank you for measuring on your Nova, too bad to hear about your Caprice - but the lighter X-body definately is a better choice for OT'ing.

**Supercharged 86** · 07-12-2005

Well, the idea is that they are adjustable to dial in the BS with the hight of the heim tie rod end. Think about it, it's basically as if there is no stud on a tie rod. You could take the nut on top of the heim off and have it right against the spindle or even put it on top if the BS that horrible I guess. Usually raising them so they're justabout as high as they can go under the spindle works unless your car is jacked up.

**Chevy350** · 07-12-2005

The adjustable part is understood, but I assumed it only fits one way into the spindle (because of the taper). In that case, it could help - but the B-spindle steeringarm is still of the wrong length and angle (Ackerman), in addition to the height issue, in the G-body (and A-body). If recall correctly, that is...

**Dust87ss** · 07-12-2005

For what John posted to work on a G-body, you'd need to weld tabs on the centerlink and lower the inner tie rod.

**Supercharged 86** · 07-12-2005

Why is that? It has a sleeve that attatches to the orignal inner tie rod.

And also, I thought there was enough of a thread left on top of the spindle to mount the heim above, but now that I see the picture, it looks like there probably isn't enough room.

I didn't know you were all talking about B spindles. Why use them anyway? You can get SCandC C5 spindles and barakes or use tall upper ball joints. I came in late and probably missed a lot. With B spindles, the heim tie rod ends still wouldn't be enough to fix the problem I guess.

**Dust87ss** · 07-12-2005

According to Marcus, the steering arm on a G-body is about 5/8" too low from the factory. I think placing the adjustable rod on top of the steering arm would be way too much, so it would need to be lowered from the inner tie rod.

Flipping it to the top when using the B-spindle swap may work, but, like Chevy said, you would have to deal with the taper in the steering arm then.

In any case, you could just use Maucus' tall LBJ and improve both the stock and B-spindle.

**Marcus SC&C** · 07-12-2005

Flipping to the top of the B steering arms is too much. The center axis of the tie rod end or heim would need to go roughly IN the steering arm. I have several styles of bump steer spacers like the one in the pic above in stock at the shop. In some cases they`re just the ticket but not in this one. Believe me I tried all the "quick fixes" (plus a bunch of off the wall ones) for these common swaps before the tall modular ball joints. Remember we were a full time hot rod and custom shop (and still are!) for 18 years before we started selling suspension products.

Marcus

**BigBlockOlds** · 07-12-2005

Marcus, so are you saying that with my Stage II kit, using the Pro-lite arms, tall upper and lower ball joints and stock G body spindle, I should not need to mess with installing an adjustable tie rod end to take out more bumpster?

Thanks,

**Steve1968LS2** · 07-12-2005

BTW.. call Global West.. they have some new G body stuff coming out.. spindles or control arms.. not sure which. It is not on thier website yet..

Just an FYI

**gen3bu** · 07-12-2005

steve - call me, the number is in your pm from friday afternoon.

kevin

**Marcus SC&C** · 07-13-2005

Andrew,yep that`s right.

Marcus

**Marcus SC&C** · 06-18-2006

Wow,this thread`s an oldie but a goodie. The `77 Ventura uses the same subframe as `70-`78 2nd Gen F body so any of the parts that work on those will work on it was well. Check out some of the recent 2nd gen threads here. They seem to be getting more and more coverage lately and we intend to bring out some new stuff for them in the near future too. Mark SC&C

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