1968 charger resources???

[absolom]

i've got a customer interested in a 1968 charger...

is there any good part suppliers that specialize in the 68 chargers?

specifically, i would like suspension, rear end, and engine information?

any help would be much appreciated



thanks,

absolom

[go-fish]

Suspension of course would be XV Motorsports for the front and rear, they have put the most R&D in and aim toward the folks not budget minded.

There is Reilly Motorsports, Bill Reilly developed the Alter-k-tion and it has been around and proved itself as a venerable front system. As of late he has made provisions for air ride and also carries air ride Technologies Air Bar rear suspensions making for an awesome ride and stance.

Then you've got Magnum Force which is below the previous systems but are still around unlike some posers that came into the aftermarket Mopar suspension game and have quietly disappear. Some believe the Magnum Force has flaws in the area of the coil overs. They exert too much pressure where they mount to the OEM location. The previous two have other provisions.

As far as stock style you have good ole Just Suspensions. They have some good offerings for a already well designed torsion bar system. You can get the stock system dialed in to take on serious track duty as well and it is cheaper for the budget minded person or for someone who is interseted in keeping with the originality of the car.

As for the rear end you just have to have a Dana 60, Moser or Strange does fine too. Mopar Peformance makes a handy dandy spring relocation kit to move them in 3". Nuthin wrong with springs.....unless you just gotta have other than stock stuff. If you do Call Lateral Dynamics up, they have been doing good thing with Mopar B-bodies from what I've heard. You can also try the above mentioned Air Ride equipment or substitute the air springs for coilovers. There is just alot of options and the decision on the rear should be made around what the customer wants the car to do with the ride.

For a big hefty B-body I would recommend nothing less than a 383. That is the smallest Mopar big block. the 400 is an excellent choice because it is the lightest and can be stroked to impressive #'s. 440's have good name recognition and are plentiful. There are some very good Hemi blocks being cast from the likes of World and Kieth Black.
You simply have to go to 440source.com and check ot the stroker kits they have offered. Indy Cylinder Head is the name you want to know when thinking about heads but Edelbrock has just came out with a raised port head that is very nice.

Ther are alot of choices for engies(383,400, 440, 426, .......) but the best choice for you may be calling Muscle Motors or another large engine building establishment. Crate engines are just about the way to go unless you want to do the fine details yourself. Also your customer probably is set on a particular displacement if he has had Charger on the brain for veery long.

Restoration outlets are plentiful. Of course you have Year One but there are also Mopar specific places like Harms Auto that have alot of things YO doesn't carry.

Really the best thing you should do is troll around the Mopar sites. There is a B-body specific forum that focuses more on restoration and there are sites for Mopar performance topics like Moparts.com and Moparchat.com. I hope I can refer to these sites but don't worry they aren't quite as "fun" as P-T.com so your allegience will remain here. Alot of Mopar folks are OE Nazi's or Purists, how disgusting.

For general parts and accessories you have Mancini Racing and Hughes Engines.
If you want to know about a particular Mopar item feel free to PM me. I have been dumping money into the Mopar aftermarket, restoration, and speed parts buisness' for awhile now so I have played the field so to speak. There is alot more but damm, I feel like I am writing a book here.

[absolom]

Suspension of course would be XV Motorsports for the front and rear, they have put the most R&D in and aim toward the folks not budget minded.

There is Reilly Motorsports, Bill Reilly developed the Alter-k-tion and it has been around and proved itself as a venerable front system. As of late he has made provisions for air ride and also carries air ride Technologies Air Bar rear suspensions making for an awesome ride and stance.

Then you've got Magnum Force which is below the previous systems but are still around unlike some posers that came into the aftermarket Mopar suspension game and have quietly disappear. Some believe the Magnum Force has flaws in the area of the coil overs. They exert too much pressure where they mount to the OEM location. The previous two have other provisions.

As far as stock style you have good ole Just Suspensions. They have some good offerings for a already well designed torsion bar system. You can get the stock system dialed in to take on serious track duty as well and it is cheaper for the budget minded person or for someone who is interseted in keeping with the originality of the car.

As for the rear end you just have to have a Dana 60, Moser or Strange does fine too. Mopar Peformance makes a handy dandy spring relocation kit to move them in 3". Nuthin wrong with springs.....unless you just gotta have other than stock stuff. If you do Call Lateral Dynamics up, they have been doing good thing with Mopar B-bodies from what I've heard. You can also try the above mentioned Air Ride equipment or substitute the air springs for coilovers. There is just alot of options and the decision on the rear should be made around what the customer wants the car to do with the ride.

For a big hefty B-body I would recommend nothing less than a 383. That is the smallest Mopar big block. the 400 is an excellent choice because it is the lightest and can be stroked to impressive #'s. 440's have good name recognition and are plentiful. There are some very good Hemi blocks being cast from the likes of World and Kieth Black.
You simply have to go to 440source.com and check ot the stroker kits they have offered. Indy Cylinder Head is the name you want to know when thinking about heads but Edelbrock has just came out with a raised port head that is very nice.

Ther are alot of choices for engies(383,400, 440, 426, .......) but the best choice for you may be calling Muscle Motors or another large engine building establishment. Crate engines are just about the way to go unless you want to do the fine details yourself. Also your customer probably is set on a particular displacement if he has had Charger on the brain for veery long.

Restoration outlets are plentiful. Of course you have Year One but there are also Mopar specific places like Harms Auto that have alot of things YO doesn't carry.

Really the best thing you should do is troll around the Mopar sites. There is a B-body specific forum that focuses more on restoration and there are sites for Mopar performance topics like Moparts.com and Moparchat.com. I hope I can refer to these sites but don't worry they aren't quite as "fun" as P-T.com so your allegience will remain here. Alot of Mopar folks are OE Nazi's or Purists, how disgusting.

For general parts and accessories you have Mancini Racing and Hughes Engines.
If you want to know about a particular Mopar item feel free to PM me. I have been dumping money into the Mopar aftermarket, restoration, and speed parts buisness' for awhile now so I have played the field so to speak. There is alot more but damm, I feel like I am writing a book here.

excellent post!

thanks a LOT!

[absolom]

Suspension of course would be XV Motorsports for the front and rear, they have put the most R&D in and aim toward the folks not budget minded.

There is Reilly Motorsports, Bill Reilly developed the Alter-k-tion and it has been around and proved itself as a venerable front system. As of late he has made provisions for air ride and also carries air ride Technologies Air Bar rear suspensions making for an awesome ride and stance.

Then you've got Magnum Force which is below the previous systems but are still around unlike some posers that came into the aftermarket Mopar suspension game and have quietly disappear. Some believe the Magnum Force has flaws in the area of the coil overs. They exert too much pressure where they mount to the OEM location. The previous two have other provisions.

As far as stock style you have good ole Just Suspensions. They have some good offerings for a already well designed torsion bar system. You can get the stock system dialed in to take on serious track duty as well and it is cheaper for the budget minded person or for someone who is interseted in keeping with the originality of the car.

As for the rear end you just have to have a Dana 60, Moser or Strange does fine too. Mopar Peformance makes a handy dandy spring relocation kit to move them in 3". Nuthin wrong with springs.....unless you just gotta have other than stock stuff. If you do Call Lateral Dynamics up, they have been doing good thing with Mopar B-bodies from what I've heard. You can also try the above mentioned Air Ride equipment or substitute the air springs for coilovers. There is just alot of options and the decision on the rear should be made around what the customer wants the car to do with the ride.

For a big hefty B-body I would recommend nothing less than a 383. That is the smallest Mopar big block. the 400 is an excellent choice because it is the lightest and can be stroked to impressive #'s. 440's have good name recognition and are plentiful. There are some very good Hemi blocks being cast from the likes of World and Kieth Black.
You simply have to go to 440source.com and check ot the stroker kits they have offered. Indy Cylinder Head is the name you want to know when thinking about heads but Edelbrock has just came out with a raised port head that is very nice.

Ther are alot of choices for engies(383,400, 440, 426, .......) but the best choice for you may be calling Muscle Motors or another large engine building establishment. Crate engines are just about the way to go unless you want to do the fine details yourself. Also your customer probably is set on a particular displacement if he has had Charger on the brain for veery long.

Restoration outlets are plentiful. Of course you have Year One but there are also Mopar specific places like Harms Auto that have alot of things YO doesn't carry.

Really the best thing you should do is troll around the Mopar sites. There is a B-body specific forum that focuses more on restoration and there are sites for Mopar performance topics like Moparts.com and Moparchat.com. I hope I can refer to these sites but don't worry they aren't quite as "fun" as P-T.com so your allegience will remain here. Alot of Mopar folks are OE Nazi's or Purists, how disgusting.

For general parts and accessories you have Mancini Racing and Hughes Engines.
If you want to know about a particular Mopar item feel free to PM me. I have been dumping money into the Mopar aftermarket, restoration, and speed parts buisness' for awhile now so I have played the field so to speak. There is alot more but damm, I feel like I am writing a book here.

after looking at a few things, i think i want to use reilly's front suspension kit, as it utilizes mustang II stuff, and we have experience with that already, the XV rear kit looks nice as well, and we'll probably get a 9 inch from currie built to our specs

our customer has decided on a 440 based stroker, do you have any opinion on the 528 stroker vs. the 543 stroker?

this will be a street toy, but not a full on racer

i think we'll go with the 440 big EZ head kit as well, seems all nicely matched together, and we'll probably run a small shot with edelbrock vic jr nitrous kit

thanks for the help again

[go-fish]

The mustang II style spindles are good for brake package options for sure. The Alter-k-tion also allows for front steer, the stock stuff is toward the rear of the car on the stock spindle and it creates oil pan clearance issues and you can't adopt a rack this way very easily either. Alter-k-tion fixes alot of that for sure. I have one and IMO it has some of the prettiest welds I've seen. The powder coater, my friends, everybody has commented on the quality construction. It's been around for 10 years or so waiting for the Mopar scene to catch up. It really isn't a copy of a street rod MII set up, it's all together different.

9" ??? Why not stick with the Mopar theme and get a better rear anyway. Moser's Dana 60 is super tough and it looks at home under there. I don't know what the price difference is but there are more benefits to going with the 60.

Bigger isn't always better and remember these things were designed to be 440 cubic inches from the start. You can stroke and bore one to the ragged edge but it won't last. There is a point where you have to be content with not having the biggest stroke you can get. I would say the the kicker is rod ratio is better with the smaller package, which is still plenty big. These packages are pretty wild and you will benefit greatly by using primo heads like Indy's. A Victor Jr. is a good intake for the big numbers but I wouldn't rule out a good dual plane manifold.

A little more on rod ratio though.
Rod ratio is important for at least 3 reasons
1] Less side loading on the piston & reduced stress on the con rods
2] increased torque output due to better leverage
3] increased efficiency , the piston stops longer at TDC increasing the amount of fuel burned & it moves away from TDC slower increasing the time the combustion has to push on the piston = more torque , the piston also stops longer art the bottom which can increase cylinder filling

Hope this helps.

JohnnyC.

[absolom]

The mustang II style spindles are good for brake package options for sure. The Alter-k-tion also allows for front steer, the stock stuff is toward the rear of the car on the stock spindle and it creates oil pan clearance issues and you can't adopt a rack this way very easily either. Alter-k-tion fixes alot of that for sure. I have one and IMO it has some of the prettiest welds I've seen. The powder coater, my friends, everybody has commented on the quality construction. It's been around for 10 years or so waiting for the Mopar scene to catch up. It really isn't a copy of a street rod MII set up, it's all together different.

9" ??? Why not stick with the Mopar theme and get a better rear anyway. Moser's Dana 60 is super tough and it looks at home under there. I don't know what the price difference is but there are more benefits to going with the 60.

Bigger isn't always better and remember these things were designed to be 440 cubic inches from the start. You can stroke and bore one to the ragged edge but it won't last. There is a point where you have to be content with not having the biggest stroke you can get. I would say the the kicker is rod ratio is better with the smaller package, which is still plenty big. These packages are pretty wild and you will benefit greatly by using primo heads like Indy's. A Victor Jr. is a good intake for the big numbers but I wouldn't rule out a good dual plane manifold.

A little more on rod ratio though.
Rod ratio is important for at least 3 reasons
1] Less side loading on the piston & reduced stress on the con rods
2] increased torque output due to better leverage
3] increased efficiency , the piston stops longer at TDC increasing the amount of fuel burned & it moves away from TDC slower increasing the time the combustion has to push on the piston = more torque , the piston also stops longer art the bottom which can increase cylinder filling

Hope this helps.

JohnnyC.

i was actually refering to the vic jr. nitrous kit, not the manifold

the indy cylinder head package comes with a manifold, the 440 2 or 3

the 528 stroker kit use a 4.375" stroke and 7.100" rod/

what is the usual bore people run on a 440?

i'm used to sbf stuff

[Rolling_Thunder]

the stock bore on a 440 is 4.32"... most people go +.030" which goes to 4.35"... I am running the 512" stroker kit from 440 Source... this uses a 4.25" stroke crank with a 7.1" rod..


As far as suspension set ups... I know tons of people running stock suspension set ups... simply playing with spring rates, and some stregnthening here and there... .96" torsion bars, 1.25" sway bar... poly bushings... boxed lower control arms... ect...

Ask Mr. Angry about his set up... I'm sure he will tell you the whole deal and how it perfroms...

[Bill Howell]

I have just bought the complete front and rear Stage II kits from XV. Great looking stuff and they are more than happy to help with any questions you might have.
I looked at all the stroker options, and in the end went with a new style 392 HEMI. We will see how that works out, but after the GTO, I just could not go back to carbs.
Good Luck, sounds like a fun project.

[absolom]

I have just bought the complete front and rear Stage II kits from XV. Great looking stuff and they are more than happy to help with any questions you might have.
I looked at all the stroker options, and in the end went with a new style 392 HEMI. We will see how that works out, but after the GTO, I just could not go back to carbs.
Good Luck, sounds like a fun project.

the XV front kit looks amazing, but it also comes with an amazing price tag

lol

this is still in the planning stages, and our guy is trying to figure out exactly what he wants

[go-fish]

Bill, I saw on another board where you got the new Hemi. It sounds AMAZA-ZING!!!

[moparmatty]

Just know that if you are going to run an Indy intake, the only one that may have a chance of clearing the stock hood is their dual plane intake. All of there other intakes are too tall.

Matt

[Bill Howell]

Bill, I saw on another board where you got the new Hemi. It sounds AMAZA-ZING!!!

I have been told by someone in the know that the 540hp number is conservative too, so I am really looking forward to getting this one together. Should have more hp than the GTO WITHOUT a blower.

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Suspension of course would be XV Motorsports for the front and rear, they have put the most R&D in and aim toward the folks not budget minded.

There is Reilly Motorsports, Bill Reilly developed the Alter-k-tion and it has been around and proved itself as a venerable front system. As of late he has made provisions for air ride and also carries air ride Technologies Air Bar rear suspensions making for an awesome ride and stance.

Then you've got Magnum Force which is below the previous systems but are still around unlike some posers that came into the aftermarket Mopar suspension game and have quietly disappear. Some believe the Magnum Force has flaws in the area of the coil overs. They exert too much pressure where they mount to the OEM location. The previous two have other provisions.

As far as stock style you have good ole Just Suspensions. They have some good offerings for a already well designed torsion bar system. You can get the stock system dialed in to take on serious track duty as well and it is cheaper for the budget minded person or for someone who is interseted in keeping with the originality of the car.

As for the rear end you just have to have a Dana 60, Moser or Strange does fine too. Mopar Peformance makes a handy dandy spring relocation kit to move them in 3". Nuthin wrong with springs.....unless you just gotta have other than stock stuff. If you do Call Lateral Dynamics up, they have been doing good thing with Mopar B-bodies from what I've heard. You can also try the above mentioned Air Ride equipment or substitute the air springs for coilovers. There is just alot of options and the decision on the rear should be made around what the customer wants the car to do with the ride.

For a big hefty B-body I would recommend nothing less than a 383. That is the smallest Mopar big block. the 400 is an excellent choice because it is the lightest and can be stroked to impressive #'s. 440's have good name recognition and are plentiful. There are some very good Hemi blocks being cast from the likes of World and Kieth Black.
You simply have to go to 440source.com and check ot the stroker kits they have offered. Indy Cylinder Head is the name you want to know when thinking about heads but Edelbrock has just came out with a raised port head that is very nice.

Ther are alot of choices for engies(383,400, 440, 426, .......) but the best choice for you may be calling Muscle Motors or another large engine building establishment. Crate engines are just about the way to go unless you want to do the fine details yourself. Also your customer probably is set on a particular displacement if he has had Charger on the brain for veery long.

Restoration outlets are plentiful. Of course you have Year One but there are also Mopar specific places like Harms Auto that have alot of things YO doesn't carry.

Really the best thing you should do is troll around the Mopar sites. There is a B-body specific forum that focuses more on restoration and there are sites for Mopar performance topics like Moparts.com and Moparchat.com. I hope I can refer to these sites but don't worry they aren't quite as "fun" as P-T.com so your allegience will remain here. Alot of Mopar folks are OE Nazi's or Purists, how disgusting.

For general parts and accessories you have Mancini Racing and Hughes Engines.
If you want to know about a particular Mopar item feel free to PM me. I have been dumping money into the Mopar aftermarket, restoration, and speed parts buisness' for awhile now so I have played the field so to speak. There is alot more but damm, I feel like I am writing a book here.

If this B-Body were kept reasonably light, I would go for a fuel-injected Magnum 360. Mopar Performance has released a SMPI conversion kit to fit FI Magnum 360s into earlier-model Mopars. Rick Ehrenberg has been doing a feature on this for the past year in Mopar Action magazine. Ehrenberg did the SMPI 360 Magnum swap on a 1962 Plymouth Savoy, which is also a B-Body.

[go-fish]

If you were to go small block, the best option would be to use a 4.030 bore R block or a 71-75? 360 with a 4.00" crank to make 408" or a 4.180" in an R block and get 426"s.
You would want to top it off with a set of CNC'ed Indy's that flow 330+ with some 2.10 intake valves. Put a nice IR intake like on Sprints!
Ohhh, I'm gettin a boner.