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[Zefhix]

Keith,
Very very sorry, I was totally convinced that I had emailed you a second time, I guess I was mistaken. Check your inbox and let me know if you recieved my email.

I think TBI defintely has it's place, I love how when you first pop the hood on my nova or my dad's truck, you don't even realize you're looking at an EFI setup. I'm very much into a stock look with modern performance for my Nova, almost "stealthy" I guess.

Yes..I got it and emailed you back. I was just getting excited, sorry if I seemed impatient. I definitely agree w/ the TBI statement. Want to keep things low-pro and since the build isn't exotic, I just can't justify the need for an MPFI setup. Plus, I have a cool idea I included in my email!

[rohrt]

John,
Just out of curiosity, for all those who have said Pontiac, what prevents you from doing a TBI setup using a throttle body that bolts onto any 4bbl intake? TBI can be made to work pretty well, though I admit it can be a PITA to get the throttle response right. Took me a while to get my dad's truck perfect (GM big block throttle body and GM 7427 ecu on a mild 383). Ended up almost doubling the the DTPS PWs. But, if we (hypothetically ) had a new TBI system comin out that looked sharp (not like the boring blocks of aluminum that are the Holley throttle bodies) and was pretty easy to adjust, would there be any interest in that, or must a new system be MPFI? The obvious problem with MPFI is a large cash outlay for tooling to make new intake castings. Throttle bodies are much simpler and have a wider potential application base...but if nobody wants them then that's meaningless!

I put a vote in for pontiac to. I have never been that excited over a wet flow system (TBI) rather have fuel rails and be able to change the injectors if needed. My desire is run a ATI supercharger some day or a turbo setup. I also would like to run down the road with a laptop and make adjustments. It would be nice if someone could team up with these guys. I know many have been waiting years to see what they are going to come up with.
http://www.tigerefi.com/index.html

I know some have seen http://www.force-efi.com/machefi.htm system or http://www.rancefi.com/ .
For those that are poor like me the http://www.bgsoflex.com/megasquirt.html has a very cheap little setup to.

[Jagarang]

I'm stupid when it comes to formulating complex systems. Emarrasingly I'm a buy in a box with all the right goodies and maybe I can bolt it on right without destroying anything! I don't really even have time for the bolt on portion of the job and probably have to hire that out as well, much less to R&D, trouble shoot, source viable and correct parts, etc.
That's why my projects cost me so much in labor on top of parts expense. :sad4: :sad4: :sad4: :sad4: :sad4:

[Fuelie Fan]

I'm going to email the guys at Tiger right now. MAybe we can get something going if we team up.

[bnickel]

Keith,
Very very sorry, I was totally convinced that I had emailed you a second time, I guess I was mistaken. Check your inbox and let me know if you recieved my email.

I think TBI defintely has it's place, I love how when you first pop the hood on my nova or my dad's truck, you don't even realize you're looking at an EFI setup. I'm very much into a stock look with modern performance for my Nova, almost "stealthy" I guess.

what i would like to see is a tbi system that is compatible with a mass air sensor, similar to what mass-flo efi has done with their setup but tbi instead of mpfi. if that's even possible, but i ould think that it is, if not at least some type of tbi system that would work with maybe an older speed density version of the eec-iv computer os something like that.

here is a link to their setup
http://www.mass-floefi.com/

[myclone]

FWIW, I contacted a few vendors in the syty/GN crowd and they were about as receptive to it as a group of hunters that got invited to a PETA convention. My apologies for wasting your time.

[rohrt]

I would like to know what you hear back from the Tiger group. If you get a chance read there write up on NV road race it should be on there web site some where.

Jagarang

I know what your talking about when it comes to buying everything in a kit. A no hassel aproach. If Buttler or KRE could distribut a really good kit that would be great.
That Mass Flo system looks pretty cool. Use all GM parts, and no tuning required, keep it looking somwhat stock. The no tuning part kinda takes the fun out of it though, but if you can plug it in and go that is also a huge plus.
I know many pontiackers are scrapers like me and not afraid to rummage through the junk yard to save a few bucks. It hard to get around the cost of a good TB(550), injectors(500) and fuel pump(300) and still make it look good, but cost is always a factor. Edelbrock should be out soon with it FI system but I know with its computer it will not handle boost.
Tiger looks like it going to be a I-rock TPI manifold system. There is not enough info from there pictures on there web site. That would be a very cool system and many parts in the salvage yard for that. I know from reading there site they are all about function and good performance. People after my own heart.

[Fuelie Fan]

FWIW, I contacted a few vendors in the syty/GN crowd and they were about as receptive to it as a group of hunters that got invited to a PETA convention. My apologies for wasting your time.

Thanks for the effort though!

I'll definitely let the poncho fans know if we are able to get anything going

Andy

[bnoon]

I know personally that if someone were to make the junkyard stuff more easily adaptable to the older model stuff, I would probably tackle a Poncho 455+ on my next project for a nice early 80's Grand Prix PT car. Someone needs to gather up all of the godies needed to make such a swap and put it up for sale all in one place. I know that now a days I can search the web and find the fuel rail blanks on one site, hard line adapters on another site, injectors here, tubing for injector bungs there, wiring harnesses out yonder (or in salvage yards), etc. etc. on down the line.

If you gathered up all of this stuff and had on your site along with your own ECU, your budget priced/easier to operate ECU would look like a Cadilac amoung the afore mentioned Yugo's when compared to factory ECU's. Not to mention being able to sell the other bits to keep steady profit from those that continue to do it the hard way themselves.

[Hammered]

bnoon,

I think you captured what I was trying to say earlier. As I get more comfortable with this EFI stuff I may eventually attempt it on my own. For now I'm trying to get my aftermarket system working. I'm hoping to fire it next Friday.

If anyone wants a parts list for a Poncho, I'd be glad to provide it. It won't be cheap though.

John