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    1. #1
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      DSE complet subframe

      I read a thread a few weeks ago that said DSE was planning on unveiling their complete subframe at the Goodguys show in Columbus, has their been any updates? This is only two weeks away just curious if there were any spy shots I can't wait to see it and I am not sure if I will make it down this year.



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      Not sure if there are any spy shots as it was apparently on Stacy's car on the Power Tour, but the unveiling is still scheduled as Goodguys Columbus. I think the anticipation is killing people. Be patient.
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    3. #3
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      I can't beleive it, everyone has been waiting for this thing to debut for so many years and finally the car is on the street, power tour no less and no one has a picture? My hat is off to Kyle and stacy for keeping such a big cat in the bag.

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      Quote Originally Posted by next69
      I can't beleive it, everyone has been waiting for this thing to debut for so many years and finally the car is on the street, power tour no less and no one has a picture? My hat is off to Kyle and stacy for keeping such a big cat in the bag.
      It's a secret.. they wouldn't even send me a pic for the new products section of the magazine.. lol

      I heard Stacy has a trained attack badger under the hood incase anyone snoops ;)
      "A ship in port is safe, but that's not what ships are built for."

      1968 Track Rat Camaro:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGHJ5c1yLIo&t=2s

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    5. #5
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      I toured the DSE facility two weeks ago and saw it on Stacey's car though I did not have a lot of time to look at it in detail. I kept pressuring them for info on it and all they would say is that they are close. It will consist of only DSE suspension products so replacement parts will only be available from DSE. That and the potential price are the only drawbacks to me. I have no problem with their suspension products but hate to be limited to one supplier for critical parts. They would not give me a price range but said it would be on the high end of the subframe market due to the quality.

    6. #6
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      Just saw this on DSE's website
      http://www.detroitspeed.com/Product%...s/subframe.htm

      Hydroformed frame rails? Whoa.

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      Kudos to Kyle and Stacy! That frame is amazing.

      Tyler

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      Wow!
      Steve68- 1968 Camaro SS LSX T56, 12bolt 3:90's, 18" Fikse Profil 13s, Deep Fathom Green paint, Spearcos, just bunch of old junk because another member said so, LOL



      70 Nova SS street/drag 454, T400, 3:55, ugly!

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      Is that frame superior to one that utilizes c5 parts? It looks very much like a modified stock frame. I'm seriously trying to decide on which is better. That one or one from like 21st century.

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      DSE complete subframe

      Does anyone know if it will accomodate a Pontiac engine? I see that it says SBC, BBC, and LSX, but it looks as if they are using standard frame perches.
      Ben Mowery

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      Holy Crap.....
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      Quote Originally Posted by 67bird
      Does anyone know if it will accomodate a Pontiac engine? I see that it says SBC, BBC, and LSX, but it looks as if they are using standard frame perches.
      Send an email and ask them. I guess they forgot about the Birds.

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      Anyone care to guess the price?

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      Quote Originally Posted by cykotic
      Is that frame superior to one that utilizes c5 parts? It looks very much like a modified stock frame. I'm seriously trying to decide on which is better. That one or one from like 21st century.
      Just because the parts say Corvette does not mean they are better. It is the geometry. Knowing how DSE designs and engineers their products, I would say yes the DSE sub is better.
      Brian


      I have an unlimited budget. That bad part is I have already used it up.

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      5800 with brakes!!
      Steve68- 1968 Camaro SS LSX T56, 12bolt 3:90's, 18" Fikse Profil 13s, Deep Fathom Green paint, Spearcos, just bunch of old junk because another member said so, LOL



      70 Nova SS street/drag 454, T400, 3:55, ugly!

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      I spy C5/C6 spindles, Stacey and Kyle told me at Good Guys Del Mar that they were involved with the design of those spindles when they were with the general. At least if you bust a ball joint you can buy from the parts department

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      Quote Originally Posted by aonghus
      I spy C5/C6 spindles, Stacey and Kyle told me at Good Guys Del Mar that they were involved with the design of those spindles when they were with the general. At least if you bust a ball joint you can buy from the parts department
      Not really! Last time I checked the upper ball joint is not serviceable. You had to replace the entire upright if it went bad. The lower ball joint taper can also get reamed out from multiple installations and removals due to the ultra soft aluminum - leading to - You guessed it - Replacement. This is just one of the reasons we did screw in steel lower ball joint inserts on our AFX spindle. I also hope that spindle is a C6 upright, as I spoke with an engineer that told me about 6 piston calipers severely flexing the C5 style brake bracket under heavy braking at the 'Ring. They changed it for the C6 Z06. We did too on the AFX spindle.

      Regardless of the above mentioned, that frame is stunning. The hydroformed rail idea was pure genius. Great engineering.

      Tyler
      Last edited by TitoJones; 07-12-2006 at 02:57 PM.

    18. #18
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      Quote Originally Posted by TitoJones
      Not really! Last time I checked the upper ball joint is not serviceable. You had to replace the entire upright if it went bad. The lower ball joint taper can also get reamed out from multiple installations and removals due to the ultra soft aluminum - leading to - You guessed it - Replacement. This is just one of the reasons we did screw in steel lower ball joint inserts on our AFX spindle. I also hope that spindle is not a C5 upright, as one engineer I spoke with told me a story about 6 piston calipers ripping off a brake bracket under heavy braking at the 'Ring. They changed it for the C6 Z06. We did too on the AFX spindle.

      Regardless of the above mentioned, that frame is stunning. The hydroformed rail idea was pure genius. Great engineering.

      Tyler
      Is the steel screw in insert a design change since the first batch? Seems my set has aluminum inserts.

    19. #19
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      $5800 WITH BRAKES , I WISH !

      It is around $6400 plus brakes .

    20. #20
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      Last time I checked the upper ball joint is not serviceable. You had to replace the entire upright if it went bad. The lower ball joint taper can also get reamed out from multiple installations and removals due to the ultra soft aluminum - leading to - You guessed it - Replacement.
      This is my understanding too, we were not able to get individual ball joints for either side when we were looking at using this as an option. The C5/6 ball joints have a funky taper too, not the typical 7 degree or 10 degree, but that's really not of censequence.

      M

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