Ron Sutton

[Charley7]

Did Ron close up shop. His on line catalogue is gone.

Charley

[dhutton]

Yes.

[p0int]

So what happen at lateral-g really ruined him then?

[Oregon]

Not entirely..


He's moving to a smaller place and scaling down to basically be a one man operation. He's going to stop offering turn key builds and engines, but will continue to sell chassis stuff, brakes, etc...

[p0int]

How do you know?
Seems like he´s gone off the grid, since he doesn't response on here anymore, and deleted his account on other forums.

[68EFIvert]

How do you know?
Seems like he´s gone off the grid, since he doesn't response on here anymore, and deleted his account on other forums.

I received an email from him on Thanksgiving stating the same thing. It mentioned that it would take a little time to get everything going but he was hoping to have everything nailed down soon.

[Build-It-Break-It]

From what I heard he filled for bankruptcy because of customer service issues of people not getting parts, poor build quality, etc etc. He sent an email to some of his clients that he was liquidating his inventory and closing his business. I think this all stemmed from a bad build he did for a member on lateral g. It's sad that he left the forums. It's soured me a little and I'm sure others too.

Hopefully he makes a come back but only he knows his plans.

[killer69]

I received an email from him on Thanksgiving stating the same thing. It mentioned that it would take a little time to get everything going but he was hoping to have everything nailed down soon.

i got the same email

[Charley7]

Thanks guys. Bummer that he just vanished

[raustinss]

Robbing Peter to pay Paul, ... what happened on lateral-g.net was the tip of the iceberg. It's terrible because hes a super intelligent man but , 90 percent of his "accomplishments" were lies . Along with his ability to build cars

[shelteredchevelle]

As an outside observer, it appeared obvious that he dug himself a big hole and dove into it head first. There were a couple stalwart fans, but the overwhelming facts kept coming out of the woodwork to the point that he finally had to do what he did. I hold no ill will toward him, I learned a bit from his writings, but admittedly was shy about giving him any of my business. I hope he comes back and chooses a better path than the one he was on before.

[raustinss]

As an outside observer, it appeared obvious that he dug himself a big hole and dove into it head first. There were a couple stalwart fans, but the overwhelming facts kept coming out of the woodwork to the point that he finally had to do what he did. I hold no ill will toward him, I learned a bit from his writings, but admittedly was shy about giving him any of my business. I hope he comes back and chooses a better path than the one he was on before.

Well said

[sccacuda]

https://www.pro-touring.com/threads/...echnology-RSRT

[RobNoLimit]

Who is to blame? I have no dog in the fight. Ron did pass on some good info, and that helped a lot of people. I went to the first series seminar and was promised a book, that I never got. That's what I KNOW, first hand. BUT, after 35 years in the business, there is something that aggravates me. That is the quiet cowering of those who have been wronged. To be fair, we at No Limit Engineering are NOT always 100% correct. At the moment, we have a powder coated chassis for a Ford Uni-Body that has a body mount issue, and we are on the hook for the fix. It happens. We do our best to communicate with the customer/installer and find the best way to fix the problem. If our customer wants to rant and blame us it is his right, Although I would at least like them to also post the information that we solved the problem. Fair is fair.

Holding back information doens't help anyone. I have heard hundreds of people discuss projects like this, " yeah, he did this and this wrong, and screwed me on this, and I lost a lot of time and money, and he lied and never made it right, but he's a nice guy." No, he's not a "nice guy". He stole from you. He stole your time, money and passion. And, you protected him, so he could do it again. All of the people that come out of the wood-works now have to take some of the blame. I hate Yelp, and the fact that there is no reply process, but WE in the Hot Rod industry need a 'Yelp' to keep everyone honest. I tried for years in the SEMA industry council to lobby/start a Shop Registry forum that would rate shops and educate/protect the customers but it fell on deaf ears. This is your forum. Be fair, own your mistakes if they are yours, but let out the difficulties so that others don't have to suffer the same fate.

I have no ill will towards RSRT, but what happened to Greg Weld and others is wrong, and from my own standpoint, it hurts our industry. This is supposed to be fun, and this kind of thing ruins it. So, all I'm really trying to say is, don't hide the truth just because it's bad, or you got stung. Be fair, and be honest. BTW, I hope that all of your projects turn out the way you want them to. (putting soap box away)

[sccacuda]

Who is to blame? All of the people that come out of the wood-works now have to take some of the blame.

I agree and I do accept my part of the blame. While my motive was purely selfish to make sure I would get everything I paid for, I knew deep down that with how I and others were being treated, this wouldn't end end well for anyone. In the end, I won't get everything, and should have publicly said something much earlier. I sincerely apologize if my build thread caused others to have a similar experience with Ron.

[Shawn0331]

Craig, I bet that felt good to get off your chest!

[raustinss]

File Ron in the same category as Frank from prodigy

[XLexusTech]

File Ron in the same category as Frank from prodigy

Frank from Prodigy now you have done it ��

[raustinss]

Lol I was just referring to both of them not being trust worthy and having no bridges after burning them all . Yes I know frank was on another planet with what he did

[Turbo6inKY]

Wow, what a goat rodeo.

But this is a thing that happens. Somebody's good at something, they're charismatic, people like them. Then they try to make a business out of it. Except they're not prepared. When RSRT launched the new catalog last winter, I thought to myself, "Wow, that's a huge expansion from seminars, shock tuning, and chassis consultation. I hope it goes well."

I guess it hasn't gone well.

They get in over their head and start robbing Peter to pay Paul and it eventually overwhelms them and the whole thing collapses on top of them. Half a dozen local speed shops in my area over the last ten years have suffered the same fate, though at a smaller scale. Even Hennesey famously imploded a few years ago, though they seem to have righted the ship as of late.

It sucks. But what I do find encouraging is the response. I read the thread over on Lateral-G (I wasn't on Lateral-G until today) after spotting this, read these. No sign of the feared internet pile-on. No name calling. Nobody's losing their temper and saying crazy stuff. It's stated experiences and reasonable, sympathetic responses.

Maybe that's because this community is mature. Maybe it's because it's well moderated. But I'm glad to have been able to read about this here instead of Facebook.