Enter your username:
Do you want to login or register?
  • Forgot your password?

    Login / Register




    Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
    Results 1 to 20 of 23
    1. #1
      Join Date
      Sep 2005
      Location
      Chit-ca-go
      Posts
      472

      Electric emergency brake...anyone running one?

      I know they're pricey, but with them being offered as OEM equipment, I'm curious if anyone has adapted a junk yard one to their own car.

      1971 Firebird
      2017 Slipstream SS


    2. #2
      Join Date
      Sep 2006
      Location
      Southern Indiana
      Posts
      4,709
      Country Flag: United States
      NO. Worked with many of them, real pain in the back side and most are tied to factory BCM and real pain to deal with and many cause all sorts of issues.
      Audi cars have electric rear brakes and take an expensive tool just too retract them and if you wear pads out too far you trash the calipers at around $1000+ a pair.
      Lee Abel
      AFTERMARKET PERFORMANCE

      1977 Chevy Monza 2+2:Project "Cheap Trick"
      1978 C10 Long bed , On air and trailer puller
      2006 Buell Blast ,Just a bike to ride and for mileage
      1966 Caprice 4dr Sports Roof fact.327/now 350/SOON 454???? Project "II Old,,,ZERO BUDGET OR LESS CAPRICE!"

    3. #3
      Join Date
      Sep 2005
      Location
      Chit-ca-go
      Posts
      472
      I haven't seen an Audi version, but saw one a buddy had that I think was from a Cadillac. It appeared to be just a long rectangular box with an arm that came out to pull the rear cables. Like an actuator.
      1971 Firebird
      2017 Slipstream SS

    4. #4
      Join Date
      Apr 2001
      Location
      The City of Fountains
      Posts
      16,118
      Country Flag: United States
      I was in the VW show room recently and several models had these. I am also sure that John Parsons uses these on some of his builds.

      Andrew
      Last edited by andrewb70; 02-01-2015 at 05:43 PM.
      1970 GTO Version 3.0
      1967 Cougar build
      GM High-Tech Performance feature
      My YouTube Channel Please Subscribe!
      Instagram @dr__efi
      I deliver what EFI promises.
      Remote Holley EFI tuning.
      Please get in touch if I can be of service.

      "You were the gun, your voice was the trigger, your bravery was the barrel, your eyes were the bullets." ~ Her

    5. #5
      Join Date
      Feb 2014
      Location
      Boise , Idaho
      Posts
      320
      Country Flag: United States
      A buddy of mine has a Hydroboost system on a heavily modified Toyota FJ55 and he is using a hydraulic parking brake setup since there is no rear parking brake assembly available for the rear of his Pig . I am kind of surprised to not see more of this kind of system in use on PT cars .

    6. #6
      Join Date
      Sep 2005
      Location
      Chit-ca-go
      Posts
      472
      Me too. E Stopp makes one but it seems pricey.
      1971 Firebird
      2017 Slipstream SS

    7. #7
      Join Date
      Feb 2014
      Location
      Boise , Idaho
      Posts
      320
      Country Flag: United States
      I am actually talking about a 30 dollar Swagelok valve built into the system . Push your brake pedal down to create pressure , turn the valve mounted into or underneath your dash and walk away .

      This is my buddies setup that he installed on his FJ . The valve in the middle is what I am talking about .

      Name:  hydraulic brake setup.jpg
Views: 1067
Size:  65.4 KB

    8. #8
      Join Date
      Jun 2012
      Posts
      250
      Country Flag: United States
      I like this idea. Would be really easy to mount it under the car with a lever and rod thru the floor. Pull up to set. About $30 in parts vs $500 for the rest of the stuff for the kore3 brakes.

      Tim
      86 Mustang
      454 LS3 Mast 4500 intake FTI cam Holley EFI Drag radials and pump gas 9.24 143.73

      79 Z28 Bonspeed GT-B DSE front and rear Z51 Brakes 5.3 Holley EFI Vintage Air

    9. #9
      Join Date
      Jun 2012
      Location
      South Lyon, MI
      Posts
      1,244
      Country Flag: United States
      Quote Originally Posted by Paraman1 View Post
      I am actually talking about a 30 dollar Swagelok valve built into the system . Push your brake pedal down to create pressure , turn the valve mounted into or underneath your dash and walk away .

      This is my buddies setup that he installed on his FJ . The valve in the middle is what I am talking about .

      Name:  hydraulic brake setup.jpg
Views: 1067
Size:  65.4 KB
      Does it bleed down over time?

    10. #10
      Join Date
      Feb 2014
      Location
      Boise , Idaho
      Posts
      320
      Country Flag: United States
      Not with the Swagelok ball valve . He left this setup parked on the backside of his rifle berm for several days with no issues . Even after a week or so it will stop it better than the OE parking brake ever did .

      Name:  FJ55 incline.jpg
Views: 856
Size:  134.2 KB

    11. #11
      Join Date
      Apr 2001
      Location
      The City of Fountains
      Posts
      16,118
      Country Flag: United States
      In the "old days" (whenever that was...LOL) the cable actuated brake was also an emergency brake just in case the hydraulic system failed. I guess VW (and presumably other OEMs) are not so concerned about the hydraulics failing. I assume that the push button systems on the VW are mechanical, but I bet they don't work when the vehicle is moving, so it is really just a parking brake. Found this video:



      Looks like the rear calipers have the electronic motor for the parking brake built in.

      Here is a Lincoln LS actuator:

      http://www.2040parts.com/2003-06-lin...598-a-i671808/

      Seems like it would be fairly simple to retrofit on an older car.

      Andrew
      Last edited by andrewb70; 02-02-2015 at 06:03 PM.
      1970 GTO Version 3.0
      1967 Cougar build
      GM High-Tech Performance feature
      My YouTube Channel Please Subscribe!
      Instagram @dr__efi
      I deliver what EFI promises.
      Remote Holley EFI tuning.
      Please get in touch if I can be of service.

      "You were the gun, your voice was the trigger, your bravery was the barrel, your eyes were the bullets." ~ Her

    12. #12
      Join Date
      Apr 2001
      Location
      The City of Fountains
      Posts
      16,118
      Country Flag: United States
      I guess the caliper based systems are pretty smart:

      http://www.traffictechnologytoday.co...p?NewsID=38414

      They work with the traction control system in an emergency situation to stop the vehicle safely. Fancy stuff.

      Andrew
      1970 GTO Version 3.0
      1967 Cougar build
      GM High-Tech Performance feature
      My YouTube Channel Please Subscribe!
      Instagram @dr__efi
      I deliver what EFI promises.
      Remote Holley EFI tuning.
      Please get in touch if I can be of service.

      "You were the gun, your voice was the trigger, your bravery was the barrel, your eyes were the bullets." ~ Her

    13. #13
      Join Date
      Feb 2014
      Location
      Boise , Idaho
      Posts
      320
      Country Flag: United States
      Quote Originally Posted by andrewb70 View Post
      In the "old days" (whenever that was...LOL) the cable actuated brake was also an emergency brake just in case the hydraulic system failed. I guess VW (and presumably other OEMs) are not so concerned about the hydraulics failing. I assume that the push button systems on the VW are mechanical, but I bet they don't work when the vehicle is moving, so it is really just a parking brake. Found this video:

      Andrew
      We actually discussed this at length and in the old days when you had a single reservoir master cylinder if the hydraulics went out you lost all braking . Modern dual reservoir master cylinders will generally keep one end or the other working if the hydraulics fail (Nissan actually used this as a selling point in the Hardbody trucks) . While it is a possibility that you could lose front and rear brakes at the same time we estimated that the odds of it happening would be akin to being struck by lightning while being eaten by a shark while holding the winning Mega Lotto ticket .

      I am certainly not saying that brake failure couldn't happen and if someone feels that the added safety of an emergency/parking brake is warranted in their vehicle (Or if your sanctioning race body requires it) then by all means install it . If you simply don't trust your manual transmission to hold your pride and joy in one spot in the Wally World parking lot then the Swagelok valve braking system may be a more budget minded alternative . Probably not nearly as cool as a electronically actuated emergency/parking brake that you can set with your keyfob .

      Sorry to derail the topic here .

      Mike

    14. #14
      Join Date
      Apr 2001
      Location
      The City of Fountains
      Posts
      16,118
      Country Flag: United States
      Mike,

      I think you are right on topic. We are discussing various options to the same problem. I personally would like to do something, because I haven't had a parking/e-brake in the GTO since it was "done." I like your simple valve idea and it would serve me well as a parking brake solution. I am with you in that I don't think a complete hydraulic failure is very likely to occur, so I am looking more for a parking solution. Happen to have a link to that Swagelok valve?

      Andrew
      1970 GTO Version 3.0
      1967 Cougar build
      GM High-Tech Performance feature
      My YouTube Channel Please Subscribe!
      Instagram @dr__efi
      I deliver what EFI promises.
      Remote Holley EFI tuning.
      Please get in touch if I can be of service.

      "You were the gun, your voice was the trigger, your bravery was the barrel, your eyes were the bullets." ~ Her

    15. #15
      Join Date
      Feb 2014
      Location
      Boise , Idaho
      Posts
      320
      Country Flag: United States
      Quote Originally Posted by andrewb70 View Post
      Mike,

      I think you are right on topic. We are discussing various options to the same problem. I personally would like to do something, because I haven't had a parking/e-brake in the GTO since it was "done." I like your simple valve idea and it would serve me well as a parking brake solution. I am with you in that I don't think a complete hydraulic failure is very likely to occur, so I am looking more for a parking solution. Happen to have a link to that Swagelok valve?

      Andrew
      I believe this is the one my friend used in his build .... http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Whitey-S...item54198913da

      This is a 1/4 inch valve but I think you would probably need a 3/16 ??

    16. #16
      Join Date
      Apr 2001
      Location
      The City of Fountains
      Posts
      16,118
      Country Flag: United States
      Quote Originally Posted by Paraman1 View Post
      I believe this is the one my friend used in his build .... http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Whitey-S...item54198913da

      This is a 1/4 inch valve but I think you would probably need a 3/16 ??
      I was just thinking that if you run it in the front line, it can double as a line lock when drag racing! LOL

      Andrew
      1970 GTO Version 3.0
      1967 Cougar build
      GM High-Tech Performance feature
      My YouTube Channel Please Subscribe!
      Instagram @dr__efi
      I deliver what EFI promises.
      Remote Holley EFI tuning.
      Please get in touch if I can be of service.

      "You were the gun, your voice was the trigger, your bravery was the barrel, your eyes were the bullets." ~ Her

    17. #17
      Join Date
      Jun 2012
      Posts
      250
      Country Flag: United States
      Allstar performance 48010

      Tim
      86 Mustang
      454 LS3 Mast 4500 intake FTI cam Holley EFI Drag radials and pump gas 9.24 143.73

      79 Z28 Bonspeed GT-B DSE front and rear Z51 Brakes 5.3 Holley EFI Vintage Air

    18. #18
      Join Date
      Feb 2014
      Location
      Boise , Idaho
      Posts
      320
      Country Flag: United States
      That part looks similar but I can't speak to how well the part you listed will work Tim . In speaking with my friend he chose Swagelok due to their high quality and industrial usage around the world . I am also not sure how well the brass fitting might hold up over time compared to a stainless one . Do you know if its a ball valve ?

      Mike

    19. #19
      Join Date
      Jun 2012
      Posts
      250
      Country Flag: United States
      I will check next time I am at the parts house.

      Tim
      86 Mustang
      454 LS3 Mast 4500 intake FTI cam Holley EFI Drag radials and pump gas 9.24 143.73

      79 Z28 Bonspeed GT-B DSE front and rear Z51 Brakes 5.3 Holley EFI Vintage Air

    20. #20
      Join Date
      Jun 2012
      Posts
      250
      Country Flag: United States
      86 Mustang
      454 LS3 Mast 4500 intake FTI cam Holley EFI Drag radials and pump gas 9.24 143.73

      79 Z28 Bonspeed GT-B DSE front and rear Z51 Brakes 5.3 Holley EFI Vintage Air

    Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast



    Advertise on Pro-Touring.com