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07-08-2014 #1
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The Daily Driver: 1987 Chevy Monte Carlo LS
This build thread is going to focus on my daily driver, a 1987 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Luxury Sport that I picked up last September.
I'll start by backfilling everything that has happened from that point until now.
When purchased 9/2013
Bone stock (Well, except for the replacement exhaust) LS with almost no options other than A/C.
- 125,xxx miles
- LG4 5.0L V8
- 2.41 rear gears with a peg leg
- Blue split bench/column shift interior
- Manual windows and locks
Story behind buying the car:
“Forget this nonsense, I should just buy an old car”.
It’s a thought that’s crossed every gearhead’s mind, more often than not while performing a tune-up on or diagnosing the cause of a dreaded Check Engine Light for the rolling appliance that many of us use to get to and from work during the week.
If you’re like me, this initial sentiment then results in the following ritual:
- Twenty to thirty minutes of day-dreaming about how awesome it would be to drive a classic car every day
- An hour of cruising the local Craigslist, which always turns up “The Perfect Car” (I typically find this elusive beast five to six times per week).
- Another thirty minutes of rationalizing why this would be a good idea and why I should do this: “I can fix it with a ⅜” ratchet set, a flathead screwdriver, and a medium-sized hammer!”.
- Face the grim reality that I live in New England and commute forty-plus miles a day, which is why I bought a modern vehicle in the first place; begin drinking to drown my sorrows.
- Finish the maintenance/repair on the now-despised econobox and return to the house, where my wife asks me such difficult to answer questions as, “How does it take three hours for you to change the oil on that car?” and “Why do you reek of booze and defeat?”.
In reality, my wife is actually reasonably understanding of my automotive obsessions, and we’ve always had an agreement in place stemming from her absolute loathing of my Subaru WRX (A story for another time): I could buy any car that I wanted for a daily driver provided the following stipulations were met: A) I’d have to sell my WRX, B) The car could not cost more than the selling price of the Subaru, C) It had to be reliable enough to commute with daily, including in the winter.
There have been a few close calls, but I had never seriously considered taking her up on her offer until the weekend before Labor Day, when I again spotted the Perfect Car. This time around, the Perfect Car surfaced in the form of a stock 1987 Chevy Monte Carlo Luxury Sport with 125,000 miles, located ninety minutes away in New Hampshire.
I mentally went over The Agreement outlined above: Could I sell the Subaru? Yes. Is the asking price for this car less than the proceeds from the sale of the Subaru? Yup. Would it be awesome to drive and I could fix everything on the car with duct tape and WD40? Oh yeah! (I may have taken some liberties with the definition of reliable, but I obviously felt it fell within the spirit of the agreement).
Of course, there were the minor details that I hadn’t yet sold the WRX and that we were going to Maine for the long weekend. Being well aware of the wisdom that it’s better to act and ask for forgiveness later, I emailed the seller and set up a time to come look at the car in the afternoon on Labor Day. Surprisingly, my better half agreed to my crazy plan, I bought the Monte that Monday, and sold my WRX later on that month.
Exterior:





Trunk sticker:
Interior (PERFECT dash and headliner):


No gauges though...

Crank windows! (Is it weird that I'm excited about this?)

Engine bay



Now for some of the interesting historical stuff:
When we went to go look at the car, both Bryan and I were shocked by how rust-free the car was (Other than a little bit on the inner lip of the driver's rear quarter, the car is in fantastic shape, especially for having lived in New England its entire life).
Well, after opening the glove box and finding this HUGE mound of paperwork, now I know why!

Aside from literally every receipt for maintenance that the car has ever had (No, really):

I also found the original bill of sale and maintenance book, which was filled with copious notes (On a side note, the same woman seems to have owned the car from '87 until the early 2000s, which is cool)


Body mounts were replaced in 1999 (Among other things)

The "lifetime" anti-rust plan (Think it's still valid?
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Anyways, I also found 3 receipts for body work that was performed on the car throughout the years (Mostly in the late 90s to early 2000s). Guessing the car was hit a few times, but having sheetmetal replaced would explain the lack of rust!
Receipts for bodywork:


Dave N.
1987 Monte Carlo SS
https://www.pro-touring.com/showthre...Monte-Carlo-SS
1987 Monte Carlo LS
https://www.pro-touring.com/threads/...Monte-Carlo-LS
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07-08-2014 #2
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Fast forwarding a few months later to Thanksgiving, also known as “The weekend that I completely screwed up a suspension install and left my car on jackstands for days”.
It’s been said that you cannot truly understand an event until you also understand the people and events that led up to it, so let me fill in a little backstory:
Cruising around in an “older” car has been a blast. The car is dead-nuts reliable and it's been great to finally feel like I’m getting my money’s worth when using a parking spot:

However, there’s definitely been a few readjustments in my driving style going from a 2003 Subaru WRX to the LS, mainly due to the drastic difference in acceleration, braking, and handling.
With 2.41 gears in the rear, I am convinced that the person who ordered this car realized the gearing needed for a competitive run at Bonneville but failed to grasp the importance that horsepower played as well. 160 horsepower and those gears translates to a driving style that is less “shoot the gap” (AKA “typical Boston driving”) and more “put on your blinker and hope that you have enough running room to slowly slide over into the next lane” when slogging through the typical highway commute.
The gearing and lack of horsepower also makes for interesting stop light encounters: Ever had an elderly woman in a late 90’s Crown Vic give you a knowing smile and then try to holeshot you? That’s my Wednesday.
That said, once up to speed the LS absolutely loves cruising at highway speed; I really need to hook up a tach to see what I’m running for RPMs, but with the 2004r and a lockup converter I’d bet that the engine isn’t even sweating at 70-75 MPH.
So, the acceleration is on par with a cruise liner, and the handling and braking aren’t much better: While the SS and other F41-equipped G-bodies at least had the semblance of a handling package, my non-F41 optioned Monte came sans rear sway bar and with a set of softer springs designed to float over bumps (Difficult to find the actual spring rates, but they look to be in the 350 pound range for the front springs and 105 range for the rear). Along with the “Grandma” spring and shock package, the LS came with the standard 10.5 inch front discs and terrible front suspension geometry. Without getting into the details, let’s just say that I wouldn’t be taking off-ramps at speed as-is.
As I haven’t had much luck in tracking down a 7.5 inch 3.42 posi rear from an early Monte Carlo SS or an affordable 8.5 inch from a Grand National or 442 locally, I knew that I wouldn’t be able to positively affect the acceleration of the car anytime soon. But, with a little bit of work I knew that I could change my suspension and braking woes and decided to rummage through my assortment of G-body parts that I had leftover from my Monte Carlo SS. That car has been through multiple suspensions throughout the years, and I knew that I had a B-body brake setup and a set of Eibach springs collecting dust on a shelf in the garage. I also found an inexpensive set of 16×8 Iroc wheels on Craigslist and purchased a set of Bilstein shocks locally.
For those that don’t know, the B-body brake “swap” consists of a set of B-body spindles from a car equipped with twelve inch rotors, combined with the twelve inch 1LE rotor from a thirdgen F-body to keep the bolt pattern 5×4.75 (The bolt pattern of the B-body twelve inch rotor is 5×5) and a “tall spindle” control arm designed for use with the roughly one inch taller B-body spindle. There are several manufacturers of this style control arm, but I happened to have a used set of Hotchkis upper control arms, which are no longer made, that I would be using.
So, with the car being in perfect working order but lacking a little in the fun department, of course I got the itch to start replacing parts. After all, isn’t this why I bought an old car in the first place? Sure, the days were getting shorter and temperatures dropping, but what could possibly go wrong with a quick weekend thrash? Of course, in my case “weekend thrash” meant “starting on Sunday morning at 10 AM” and there was heavy rain in the forecast for that afternoon…

My '87 Monte Carlo SS is currently occupying my garage space, and with my driveway full I decided to pack up all of the parts and some tools and bring them to my parents’ house across town. After all, one-day job, right?

Ah, more parts. To recap, the plan was to replace the rear springs and shocks with Eibach springs and new Bilstein shocks, and to replace the front springs, shocks, spindles/brakes, ball joints, and upper and lower control arms. While I was in there, I planned on replacing the steering linkage as well.

Here’s a photo of the stock ride height, which measured in at 27 1/2 inches front. Not shown is the rear ride height, which was at 28 3/4 inches.

Knowing that it would be the easier job, I quickly ripped into the rear suspension. The drums and shoes had plenty of life in them, but looked original. Check out all of that undercoating; it’s about a half inch thick in spots and covers the entire frame. While it kept the car from rotting away, I would come to hate its existence shortly.

Quick comparison of the new Bilsteins and what are presumably the original shocks, as I didn’t find any paperwork stating that they had been replaced like the rear springs were. The original shocks weren’t doing much judging by the tendency for the car to wallow over bumps at speed.

New versus old springs (Which had been replaced sometime in the late 90s). The Eibachs are a tad bit shorter, but also firmer at 135 lbs/in vs ~105 lb/in for the stockers.
Breaking away from the photo montage for a minute: The rear suspension install went without a hitch, but it was now 11 AM. Keep in mind that sunset was around 5 PM and the rain was forecasted to start around 3 PM. I had yet to even break loose a single nut on the front suspension…

So here we have it, the front suspension. Unequal length upper and lower control arms, coil springs, and single piston 10.5″ brakes, all covered in a thick layer of undercoating. Somehow I was still optimistic at this point.

The passenger side upper control arm came out without any drama, so I took the time to replace the rubber bushings, one of which was completely cooked from being too close to the header on my SS.

The bushings themselves easily slide out once the nut and washer are removed.

Quick shot of the cooked bushing next to a new one.

The cross-shaft itself is offset, which is important to note as you’ll want the arm to be “shorter” when installed to avoid having to excessively shim the arm for camber and caster adjustments. Side note: Yes, the paint on the arms is hammered. Do I care? No: used parts going on a winter beater, remember?

You know it’s never a good sign when you need to break out the sawzall. Having to cut out the passenger side shock was a sign of things to come.

The driver’s side was much of the same story. More sawzall (To remove the sway bar end link and shock), along with undercoating everywhere.
This is where the photos stopped for the time being, as the process of “remove a part, clean all of the undercoating off of my hands, take photo, repeat” was really slowing me down. Plus, at this point I knew that I was in serious trouble as it was around 1 PM and I had only removed the shocks, upper control arms, and one spring. I still had half of the disassembly to take care of, plus all of the reassembly, with only a few hours of daylight left and rain on the way. Fudge.
Still, I was determined at this point to get everything together, so I called up a good friend of mine who brought over some air tools and we went to town. No photos as we were in full-on thrash mode, and the rain started to come down shortly after. A few hours in, it became apparent that A) Working in the rain sucks and B) I wasn’t going to get the car finished that night, which meant that I needed to figure out a way to get to work, which completely destroyed my plan of keeping this car reliable for every day use.

This, my friends, is what defeat looks like. Nothing like the sight of your daily driver up on jackstands in the soaking rain at 7 PM on a Sunday to cap off your weekend.
This is the point where I confess that I needed to borrow a car to get to work on Monday as my SS was also on jack stands due to another project. While I wish that I was adding this in for comedic effect, the only vehicle available was my mother’s Toyota Highlander, complete with scented air freshener and all ten radio presets set to easy listening (I didn’t even know that there were ten easy listening stations in the Boston area. You learn something new every day). A perfect 100 on the Lame-O scale, but it taught me a lesson about project planning.

Moving on, I took a day off of work later on in the week and managed to bang out the remainder of the uninstall that day and the install of all the new parts that following weekend. My friend Dundy is a hero for contributing his time and air tools. Here’s the dumping ground for all of the old parts as they were removed.

Here’s the finished product, which is already caked in salt after a few days of driving. Still a single piston caliper, but the combination of a bigger piston and larger diameter rotor equates to more stopping power up front. While the rear drums aren’t bad, I want to figure out the braking bias and see if it’s worthwhile to install rear discs eventually as well.

Shot of the Bilstein shock and Eibach spring installed. As the Eibach springs are much shorter than the stock springs, they went in easily without a spring compressor.

While the taller B-body spindle provides a better camber curve, here’s one of the drawbacks of the B-body spindle: Increased bumpsteer due to the change in position of the steering arm and the angle of the tie rod. Since this is a street car, the added braking outweighs an increase in bumpsteer, at least for me.

I stripped down the Iroc wheels and painted the centers a Gunmetal grey using Duplicolor paint. The centercaps are from a PT Cruiser.

Here’s the car back on all four wheels. The tires are a set of 245/50R-16 Falken all-seasons and will be swapped out in the winter for 15″ wheels and snow tires.

I think that the car looks lower, but after measuring I found that it’s sitting at the exact same height (27 1/2″) up front and only 1/8″ lower in the rear with the new springs, so the new tire height may be a factor in the new appearance. That said, the ride quality is firmer with the new shocks and springs, which is a good thing. No more porpoising over bumps.

I also went with a decent street alignment as well. The alignment is current set at -0.5 degree camber, +4.5 caster, and 1/8″ toe in.Dave N.
1987 Monte Carlo SS
https://www.pro-touring.com/showthre...Monte-Carlo-SS
1987 Monte Carlo LS
https://www.pro-touring.com/threads/...Monte-Carlo-LS
07-08-2014 #3
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Here's the car in "winter mode".
Winter driving with the car was pretty awesome thanks to a set of good snow tires.

The gold wheels may not be everyone’s favorite, but I kind of dig them, if only because it will make it easier for the tow trucks to find my car when it’s buried in a snow drift.

The wheels themselves are 15″ thirdgen Firebird SE wheels wrapped in 215/65/15 Blizzak WS60s.

Next up, I start autocrossing the car....Dave N.
1987 Monte Carlo SS
https://www.pro-touring.com/showthre...Monte-Carlo-SS
1987 Monte Carlo LS
https://www.pro-touring.com/threads/...Monte-Carlo-LS
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