American Motors Xperimental full frame

[sr73bu]

I like your idea using the original paint....some scuffpads, reducer and metal dust can go along way creating an "aged" paint job... Shooting the enitire car then aging it "uniformly" may be easier than trying to blend new panels/parts with the original aged paint. I had a project in college aging some military parts....I even used salt water from the ocean while scuffing the parts after paint. haha. You may want to check out some Guitar forums for aging techniques.... Either way, the project is looking great Ron!
-Sean

[exwestracer]

The whole cage is 1 5/8" chromoly, if I remember correctly SCCA requires 1 3/4", so no its not built specifically for SCCA. I designed it to stiffen the car without adding too much weight, and for head room, vision, saftey, and ease getting in and out of the car. This is a driver, built to run in the A.S.S. (LOL). This will definitly be one of the safest cars in the series, and once I close everything up and put carpet(yes carpet) on the floor, it won't look near as busy.


The fuel tank has worried me since I dreamed up this build, I really wasn't sure how tight the rear compartment was going to be until the watts bars went in, now that they are in I can get it figured out. I think I can buy a poly tank from Speedway that has no holes in it yet, and stand it up rather then laying it flat, or build one out of aluminum. Either way I will have to fab the internal fuel pump and trough like I did in the Mustang.

Ron, I'm sort of well versed in finding "skinny" fuel cells...this might help.
http://www.atlinc.com/pdfs/Racing/2012-ATL-RACING-CATALOG-web%2014.pdf
All of ATL's A,B and C cells share the same footprint, only the height is different to create higher capacity. No one else (that I've found) makes a narrower cell.

[dropit69]

Cool pic Ron..who's chevelle?...and yes leave it faded yellow..

[Ron S]

How do you like TN250 tube notcher.I luv mine.

That is my buddy Dominic's bender, I use a JD squared type 4.

[Ron S]

Cool pic Ron..who's chevelle?...and yes leave it faded yellow..

That is a customer of DC Performance, a really over the top build, will be an 8 second street car. DC does mostly super fast drag cars. There are alot of 7,8,and 9 second door bangers with tags on them in this area. Do you remember when a 12 sec. car dominated the streets? I sure do.

[Ron S]

I'm loving how smooth the bottom will be

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[Mike Holleman]

Tis slick. How is the exhaust going to run? I know you have that worked out in a mental blueprint.

[Ron S]

You got the mental part right. It will run along the torque arm on the drivers side, and alond the driveshaft on the other, in 3", go up and over the rear, and exit behind the rear wheel. Its kind of nice I get to do that from above before the floors are installed. I think the trans mount and exhaust will be the next thing as soon as the cage is done.

[andrewb70]

I'm loving how smooth the bottom will be

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Great progress Ron.

Does that torque arm mount just unbolt?

Andrew

[Ron S]

Yeah Andrew its the torque arm/trans mount so it kind of has to come out. I was a little worried about the strain of the torque arm, so that crossmember of made of 3/16", and the bolt together section is extra beefy, I need to study at weight watchers!!!!

[muthstryker]

Everything looks good its starting to almost look like a car again.

Have you seen this thing? http://www.ridetech.com/garage/2011/11/jimi-days-amxess/ Not sure if it was posted in the previous pages to lazy to look.

[Ron S]

Yeah Matt, thats Jimi Day's car, to date the nicest AMX built. Can't wait to get on the sheet metal to see if my experiment turns out as good as I think it will.

[Mike Holleman]

So it will be above that lower subfloor? That's cool. Kinda slot carisk. Is that a word? The Elky has very high exhaust because it is all solid mounted and exits ahead of the axle. Now all you need are diffusers and some topside aero work and we can take that bad boy to Bonneville. This build is fun to watch and I know you are having fun.


You got the mental part right. It will run along the torque arm on the drivers side, and alond the driveshaft on the other, in 3", go up and over the rear, and exit behind the rear wheel. Its kind of nice I get to do that from above before the floors are installed. I think the trans mount and exhaust will be the next thing as soon as the cage is done.

[Ron S]

Should all be tucked up pretty tight, just started the X bracing behind the watts, don't know why, but I really love the X's in a cage, makes it super strong and it just looks sexy.

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[shortrack]

Wow! I need to take my car to you to finish the metal work.....you'd have it done in a couple of hours.

[Ron S]

Got the X bracing welded in today, looks pretty sexy, still gets one more bar across the bottom. Some door bars, and and few more in the rear, and this thing is ready for some sheet metal.

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[andrewb70]

Ron,

I'll be sending my GTO in the spring so you can whip up a custom frame for it in a couple of weeks. Ok?

Andrew

[Flash68]

Yeah no kidding... Ron you are a machine.

[RJ66]

Yeah Matt, thats Jimi Day's car, to date the nicest AMX built. Can't wait to get on the sheet metal to see if my experiment turns out as good as I think it will.

Thanks for the complement Ron.

I can't wait to yours done , it's going to be bad a$$!

[wellis77]

Looks awesome Ron! What are you using for your notches? Thanks.

[Ron S]

Looks awesome Ron! What are you using for your notches? Thanks.

If I remember correct, its a Pro Tools notcher. Dominic is a master on that notcher, most of the time it only requires a scotch brite pad to clean up the ends, and its perfect.

[RS_Customs]

Man....... a couple days since the last update????? What have you been doing???? lol

Happy New Year buddy!

Robert

[Ron S]

Still crazy busy at work, drilled the spot welds yesterday to remove the front clip. Originally I was going to try to use the sheetmetal inner fenders and core support, but figure I might as well have a jungle gym in the front to match the one in the back. My new game plan is to make a new firewall which will be part of the chassis with pedals and column. I need to set the engine and trans back in the car to see how big the dog house will be, really hoping I can use the original dash.

[RS_Customs]

I bet your busy around now. Hit me up when you get a min.

Good idea on keeping the steering and firewall all on the chassis. You have to drive it without the body at-least once lol.

Robert

[Ron S]

The cage work is about done, lifted the body back off to finish welding. Will set the engine back in this weekend to run the exhaust, and get the firewall built. Big tires are mounted on the front, just has rollers on the back.

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[coolwelder62]

Ron,Looking real good.

[Ron S]

A few more crazy pics

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[DCPerformance]

Got 95% welded up tonight.Just a couple gussets and she's done!!!! better take the trailer to work tomorrow..LOL

[DCPerformance]

How do you like TN250 tube notcher.I luv mine.

Works great, only complaint is it wont hold 3/4 tube.

[DCPerformance]

Cool pic Ron..who's chevelle?...and yes leave it faded yellow..

68 Chevelle, being built for 8.50 Index racing.
Visit DCPerformance.net (http://dcperformance.net)for more info.

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[Mr. Anderson]

This is -the- coolest project on this board, hands down.

[HectorM52]

This is -the- coolest project on this board, hands down.

Agreed.

Ron, thanks for taking us on the journey with you. Your threads are freakin' awesome. And the fact that they move along at such a rapid pace just makes them even better.

I can't wait to get a ride in this thing at RTTH or where ever you have it out to play.

[chunger]

Seriously Ron, you could subsidize your build costs be selling tickets to your shop when you have a build going on...

[bonecrrusher]

Ron - car is looking awesome.

Cant wait to see what you have in the works for the body mods.

[preston]

People used to think I worked fast when I had 30 hours a week to devote to the car hobby (pre-children) but you are really gittin' her done. I would like to see some more x-bracing int he floor though, I know you have that torque arm in the way, but when I was doing my chassis' in Grape analysis, the x-bracing in the floor from corner to corner was huge for stiffness. YOu have those nice solid steel floors on the outer rockers but they are not tied together. If it were me I'd bring a tube from each "floor boxed corner" and bring them as close into the trans x-member as possible. Probably not even possible on the front but there is definitely room in the rear. Just a thought.

[SRD art]

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Wow Ron! Just getting caught up and I see these insane photos. That's unbelievable, man this car is gonna be soooooo way bad. I hope that after lots of practice after I get done with school I can walk in your footsteps one day. Keep up the great work, you're an inspiration!

[fordsbyjay]

It looks like some kind of Batman car. :)

[BulldawgMusclecars]

Ron, this build is keeping me just as entertained as your Mustang did! Awesome work. I love the fact that is an AMX, which you almost never see modifed much to begin with, and it has tires on the front that are twice as wide as what is typically seen on the rear!

[johngross]

How much rear wheel travel do you think you'll be able to fit in there?

[Ron S]

Should be 4" up and 3" down, at least that is what I designed it to be.

[gofastwclass]

I love your work, very inspirational. I just hope you don't mind me lurking and drooling...

[johngross]

This is the first time I've seen this type suspension, so I'm waiting eagerly!!

[Ron S]

This is the first time I've seen this type suspension, so I'm waiting eagerly!!

It really is just a modified version of the 2002 Camaro, really simplistic, durable setup. Of course the underslug frame is not mandatory to run this setup, I just thought it was really rigid for the chassis, and kinda cool.

[johnnyj]

Hey Ron,
I was wondering if you would talk more about the watts link and how you have designed it. The other question I have is where did you get the "football" link on your watts link? Any info/pictures would be great. Thanks, Ron BTW Thank You for all of you build pictures between both the Mustang and the AMX. You have inspired me to get out in the garage and start learning how to fab all the ideas in my head! Truly inspirational!!

[Damn True]

I'd never covet another man's wife, but I will openly admit to lusting wildly for the time and resources that allow this rate of progress.

[Kenova]

I'd never covet another man's wife, but I will openly admit to lusting wildly for the time and resources that allow this rate of progress.
I'd be happy with half of the ambition!

Ken

[Damn True]

I'd be happy with half of the ambition!

Ken

Oh I'm loaded with ambition. But in the words of the great philosopher, Jeremy Clarkson:


It's ambitious, but rubbish.

[Ron S]

You know how it is, logistics are everything. This is the first build I've ever done that has had any 2 hands but mine working on it, but I can't lie, Domonic (DC Performance) has gotten the cage done in 1/4 the time it would have taken me, and I'm loving the work they did. My wife is a saint, my biggest fear in life is that one day she will wake up and realize what a putz I am. This car is rolling pretty fast, but amazingly its another fairly cheap build.

[796spdbu]

Ron very well thought out build! I dig the whole project. Cant wait to see it at an upcoming event!

[craigs73]

ron if you dont mind me asking but what does a frame/cage like your doing run for a shop to do something like that....sorry not trying to be nosey just curious since i will never be able to afford it :lol:

[LeighP]

Its odd, I never really cared for the AMX...it always looked "wrong" to my eyes....but this car, even with the body just sitting over the frame like this....you can see it looks "right"!!!
Fantastic work......I really think you're onto something special here!

[jhail010]

Glad that there is some AMC protouring going on, a rare sight to see to say the least. Best thread i've seen so far in my opinion, but i'm a bit biased as i'm an amc owner :P. The car looks freaking amazing with those 335's, and you've given me some ideas for my 71 javelin :D i'd even venture to say your in inspiration

Cheers, and keep up the good work!

[Ron S]

ron if you dont mind me asking but what does a frame/cage like your doing run for a shop to do something like that....sorry not trying to be nosey just curious since i will never be able to afford it :lol:


The chassis I built myself, the last time I checked a decked out Morrison chassis was around 20K, the cage I haven't got the bill on yet. Its funny there was a chain of events which had me working 14 hr days for a month straight, right at the time DC Performance had a scheduling window, I jumped at it, and am so glad I did, probably moved the project 2 months ahead of schedule. After this weekend its back home, and the metal work starts, thank goodness I'm back to a normal 8 hr day at work, and can get 10 hrs. or so a week of wrenching time.

[Ron S]

Hey Ron,
I was wondering if you would talk more about the watts link and how you have designed it. The other question I have is where did you get the "football" link on your watts link? Any info/pictures would be great. Thanks, Ron BTW Thank You for all of you build pictures between both the Mustang and the AMX. You have inspired me to get out in the garage and start learning how to fab all the ideas in my head! Truly inspirational!!


The football came from Fays2, its about $100, the design is pretty straight forward. Put the fins on the Dana cover to allow the football to be adjusted above and below axle center line. This stuff truely isn't rocket science, if you check out some of the chassis design books.

[Payton King]

Don't sell yourself short Ron, you are a Rocket Surgeon.

Looking forward to the front bars and sheet metal work.

[craigs73]

The chassis I built myself, the last time I checked a decked out Morrison chassis was around 20K, the cage I haven't got the bill on yet. Its funny there was a chain of events which had me working 14 hr days for a month straight, right at the time DC Performance had a scheduling window, I jumped at it, and am so glad I did, probably moved the project 2 months ahead of schedule. After this weekend its back home, and the metal work starts, thank goodness I'm back to a normal 8 hr day at work, and can get 10 hrs. or so a week of wrenching time.

ron you could start your own shop :) you do some awesome work....... i hope that one day i can do what your capable of... im not getting any shop time between my 2yr old and work...... back in summer i was lucky to get 3hrs a week.....i havnt touched car in 3 months :lol: but this summer i taking the boy to a sitter twice a week so i can get some much needed time in the shop and he get much needed play time with kids his age..... ok enough my blabing sorry...... again ron you do great work and i can wait to see how this turns out.....

[Evoix]

Hey Ron,
love the project!

Think someone might have mentioned that perhaps 335 is a HUGE tire, maybe won't heat up etc.... Project Xecution (66 mustang) runs 335 MT DOT and they seem to be happy with them so..... only sucks you all are raising the bar so high for the rest of us :moon:

[jhail010]

Big Red runs 335s all round if i'm not mistaken, seems to work pretty well for road racing and still badass 20 some odd years later. This amx should be killer!

[Tucks69]

Another great project Ron! Can't wait to take a ride in this one. Do you ever sleep? lol

[Ron S]

Got the body back on, and the engine and trans in it for mock up, I think I will have to go with the shorter torque arm, just too busy with that magnum 6 speed. Trying to deside what I'm going to do for power, my buddy Frank is trying to talk me into twin turbos, it really would be cool, but would add alot of weight.

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[HotRod47]

one word....WOW!!!

[coolwelder62]

Lookin great.

[dusterbd13]

dont you overcome weight with horsepower?

what about smaller twins, rear mounted to equal out the weight gain some?

[tazzz25906112]

Cool but driving it will be a handful because they come on so violently bud.... I'd be inclined to weigh that decision very carefully if you plan to auto-cross this car.....

[gearbanger]

Man, this is an awesome build, but that front turning radius looks like it wouldnt turn around in a 40 acre feild. Is that the best you can get with those gigantic tires on the front?

[Zanie]

Ron,
When you were building the mustang, i caught your thread right at the start and would check it daily.
I'm glad to have another thread to obess over. This car is so cool, I can't wait to see it at motor state.
Now don't take this the wrong way, but without the front end and with those huge front tires...




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[Ron S]

Man, this is an awesome build, but that front turning radius looks like it wouldnt turn around in a 40 acre feild. Is that the best you can get with those gigantic tires on the front?

It just looks that way in the pics, the turning radius is exactly the same as a C6 Corvette, and what I like is even at full lock that the tires don't rub anywhere.

[wiedemab]

Man, this is an awesome build, but that front turning radius looks like it wouldn't turn around in a 40 acre feild. Is that the best you can get with those gigantic tires on the front?

Worst case, just steer with your right foot! :)

[Ron S]

My buddy Dominic just sent me this, to date my favorite picture ever.

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[wellis77]

I agree! Looks great.

[John Wright]

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/01/0106201219L-1.jpgAll it needs is the running gear, a seat, and a steering wheel....then you're all set to go racing.

Way cool Ron

[dontlifttoshift]

The car is looking good. I built an underslung chassis for a 35 Ford pickup a few years back and it really worked out quite well.

Leave the long torque arm. The longer it is, the less likely it will be to brake hop. I say brake hop but its the violent downshifts that really do it. When that happens, sometimes the only thing you can do is throttle out of it.....kind of the last thing you want to do when you are trying to slow down.

Keep up the inspiring work.

Donny

[keithq69]

I agree, I love that picture.
Would be a blast to drive it like that, slap some sheet metal on the sides and the front, plexiglass windshield on the cage and go open wheel racing.

[exwestracer]

I agree, I love that picture.
Would be a blast to drive it like that, slap some sheet metal on the sides and the front, plexiglass windshield on the cage and go open wheel racing.

Maybe an extra engine, too?
53815

Sorry, Ron...didn't mean to pollute your awesome thread.

[Yelcamino]

My buddy Dominic just sent me this, to date my favorite picture ever.

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Ron, you know you're going to have to drive it at least once without the body!!! Awesome!

[Bryce]

Maybe an extra engine, too?
53815

Sorry, Ron...didn't mean to pollute your awesome thread.

I guess if you are going to run a chevy you need carry a spare engine with you. Sorry Ron, just know your history with chevy motors.

[Ron S]

A few more cool pics


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[linkstar69]

It's just so cool that this car that looks for all intents and purpose like a race car with shell off is being built for both street and track duties. You rule Ron.

[gofastwclass]

What is the removable bar in the middle in the picture below, is that your transmission crossmember?
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Did the guy TIG weld the cage? The welds are immaculate! The chassis and cage fabrication is top notch.

[DCPerformance]

Yes, 100% tig welded, C/M

[Ron S]

What is the removable bar in the middle in the picture below, is that your transmission crossmember?
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Did the guy TIG weld the cage? The welds are immaculate! The chassis and cage fabrication is top notch.

Yes the center is the transmission crossmember, so it has to be removable.There is an X that goes between the trans crossmember and the rear crossmember, but it can't go in until I put the trans crossmember where it belongs. I've always considered myself a pretty decent welder, but I think Dominic at DC Perfrmance could teach me a few things about tigging tubing, the welds are a work of art. Its taken me alot of years to learn that you can't beat a man at his trade.

[64LS1Nova]

The Cat's out of the bag Ron! Now we know the secret of how you get these cars built so fast.

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[Ron S]

I hope Bella got the 3 degrees in that cam like I told her to. It pays to surround yourself with a good crew, and they work for Barbies.

[andrewb70]

I hope Bella got the 3 degrees in that cam like I told her to. It pays to surround yourself with a good crew, and they work for Barbies.

Nice!!!

Andrew

[John Wright]

Awsome pic Ron....too cute

[exwestracer]

... and they work for Barbies.

That's not necessarily cheap! LOL

[Ron S]

They are Franks two little girls, and they are cute. He has a son too, but he is usually swinging a hammer, so Frank doesn't let him near the cars too much. LOL

[64LS1Nova]

LOL, my 2yr old boy is pretty much like BamBam from the Flinstones. He's not allowed around anything shiney yet.

[sokoloka]

Between this and your $5000 Budget Mustang I'm blown away with your fabrication skills.
Awesome!

[coolwelder62]

I think will head down to the local preschool and look for some help my self.LOL!!Now I see how everything get's done these day's.

[gofastwclass]

Yes, 100% tig welded, C/M

You sir are an artist!

I need to learn to TIG from a functional standpoint but I know I will never have the time invested to be that good.

[DCPerformance]

You sir are an artist!

I need to learn to TIG from a functional standpoint but I know I will never have the time invested to be that good.

Thank you.
All I can say is practice, practice. I learned by doing it. The first time I tried it I thought I will never get this.LOL

[Ron S]

I have been really enjoying this build, I knocked the chassis out pretty quickly, then Dominic got on the cage really fast and didn't complain once about how anal I was about bar placement. Now I've traded off some work with my buddy Frank, I'm fabricating the center console for his twin turbo project and he's doing the exhaust on mine. Its been fun working with other craftsman on these projects, usually I'm all alone in my garage with nobody to BS with. Kinda sounding like a baby, but truthfully it hasn't felt like work once.

[gofastwclass]

Its been fun working with other craftsman on these projects, usually I'm all alone in my garage with nobody to BS with. Kinda sounding like a baby, but truthfully it hasn't felt like work once.

That is the best kind of work. :)


Thank you.
All I can say is practice, practice. I learned by doing it. The first time I tried it I thought I will never get this.LOL

I agree. I have the patience, I just know I will never have the time to spend on mastering it. I can MIG and it looks decent and I never worry about failures but I simply don't have the free hours to put in to make them look perfect every time under every condition (like upside down). I feel TIG welding would be similar, look OK, strong but not the prettiest. I guess that's why I own a grinder.

[coolwelder62]

gofastwclass U are in kcmo I am 30 miles SW of KCK.Maybe some Sat. come over and I can give you a few pointers.Scott Mock.

[MonzaRacer]

Also if you like watching instructional videos on welding sign up over at www.weldingtipsandtricks.com ("http://www.weldingtipsandtricks.com,,,,he [url) ,,,,he also sells an awesome tool called the tig finger,,, great for welding on stuff that gets hot and holds heat!
ok sorry just nosing back in for more fun fabricating with RonS! That was a short plug for a cool sight for the ones who want to learn some good techniques from a professional welder. Just make you can watch youtube videos,,,none very long but very informative.
Great car by the way.

[Yelcamino]

...but truthfully it hasn't felt like work once.

Like said above, that really is the best kind of work!

[the dan]

Ron i followed the mustang a little bit and am now following this thing. You do phenomenal work. hopefully my C-10 looks half as good

[Ron S]

I have built alot of cars through the years, but I have NEVER been so tortured trying to get exhaust to fit. I had a choice to make, the car could either have exhaust or seats. The torque arm eats up so much realestate that it makes it damn near impossible to have exhaust. Frank and I contemplated about 10 different designs, we even thought about a single 4" exhaust set up. In the end I cut a chunk of the frame and tucked the pipes under the driveshaft down the right side side, standing both mufflers on end, leaving just enough room for seats, and everything else. The tailpipes will go under the rear, and exit behid the passenger rear tire. Frank was hurried to get some pipes in before one of us changed our minds.



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[HectorM52]

No home-made mufflers? I can't believe it!

Glad to see it's coming along, Ron. Keep it up.

[65_LS1_T56]

Look at it this way, now you have heated seats! A nice luxurious option Ron.
Awesome project, been waiting for an update. Looks great.

[johngross]

I'm thinkin, maybe some big flashy sidepipes would have been perfect!!! :hand:

[Bryce]

getting structure back to the torque arm chassis mount looks fun!

Are you going to have any issues with sounds levels at autocrosses? If so design in a way to point the exhaust exit away from the DB meter. I have turn down under the car and I can angle them to point away from the DB meter. My small motor hit 95 dB at 3500rpm and full throttle.

[Mike Holleman]

Brother, Does it not suck when practicality interferes with a great design? If it was easy it wouldn't be as much fun. Looks like you guys are finding the best available solutions. Wish I was there to join in the fun.

[exwestracer]

getting structure back to the torque arm chassis mount looks fun!



Boy, I was thinking the same thing!

[Ron S]

getting structure back to the torque arm chassis mount looks fun!


That actually gets another 2"x2" crossmember that has the mount on it. Its out to get the exhaust eyebrows put in it, once its installed it will get an X brace out of 1 5/8" chromoly between that and the trans crossmember. When something sets this low, every single part becomes a challenge to install.

[the dan]

damn that exhaust is clean

[wellis77]

What is the ride height to the chassis again Ron? Looks good, and I totally get the packaging challenges. I'm working through my own, just a lot slower than you.

[Ron S]

What is the ride height to the chassis again Ron? Looks good, and I totally get the packaging challenges. I'm working through my own, just a lot slower than you.

Love the Dart, I'm a Mopar guy at heart. The chassis is around 4.5 inches to the ground, and nothing hangs below that. Although the exhaust was challenging, the pictures don't do it justice. Each pipe has probably has 6 manderal bends in it, and it follows the shape of the transmission perfectly.

[gofastwclass]

Wow, I can only imagine the exhaust completely welded. Excellent work.

[johngross]

But ARE the pipes the same length? Just joking. Love the car and appreciate the updates to keep us entertained.

[linkstar69]

Pipes look great, I'm a rookie making exhausts have only made a couple of systems now so I can really appreciate the work in those pipes.

[hechtrod]

Holy Crap Ron! I thought your $5k Mustang was killer. 335's! Love the quirky lines of the AMX. Obviously, fab skills in these first 19 pages are unimaginable to me! Such an inspiration. I loved that pic of the 2 young ladies (I'm assuming granddaughters?) and your comment about getting the cam degree'd right and working for barbies. Can't wait to see the rest of the build and videos of it running. Thanks for sharing this stuff with us!

[Ron S]

Worked on the tail pipes today, look just like Harley pipes. Turned out great, I think Frank had his doubts. Can't install tips until I make the quarters built.

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[Yelcamino]

Nice Ron! I bet it's going to sound like a beast!

[RS_Customs]

Looking good!!!! It's going to be fun to pull the rear out now lol.

Robert

[fishtail8]

That exhaust is going to look like an over&under shotgun coming out the back, just super sized! Lovin' this, keep up the great work.

[Ron S]

Got the torque arm crossmember built, exhaust eyebrows were a pain but its done. On the fab tech side, if you place a peice of flat bar under the welded area, and clamp it down while welding it helps to keep the part from ending up shaped like a banana.

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[Evoix]

WoW

[johngross]

I'm still waiting to see how the suspension works as I am clueless how this frame will be set up. Although the solid mounts that you have now will last forever, they may not be good for your back. :rotfl:

[Ron S]

I'm still waiting to see how the suspension works as I am clueless how this frame will be set up. Although the solid mounts that you have now will last forever, they may not be good for your back. :rotfl:

I really couldn't build the coilover mounts, until the exhaust and other stuff was mounted. I can now get the mounts built, and it should be more apparent. Unfortunatly I'm switching gears on to the Mustang for a bit, RTTS is right around the corner.

[Protour_Pinto]

That twin engine car is a Buddys car. Just a short film with a little insight to Yannick Sire at Sire Custom Performance.

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/02/28/video-twin-small-block-v8-priaprism-is-enviable-hedonism/

Back in the 80s Prostreet phase I worked on a full frame/removable body car. I made 2 bodys for it, a Camaro and a Firebird. I have to find finished pics of them.

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I know how much work is going into this build and Im loving it! And it being an AMX is even better.

[65 Fastback]

A little late to the party, but I'm along for the rest of the ride!

Tim

[Pontiac_Matt]

First the mustang and now this AMX. You are one skilled man.

[454bug]

Hey Ron,

Before I swapped over from the Moser floater setup to GMR's setup, I had stopped into a Circle Track speed shop and located a set of steel driveplates that would replace the Moser plates. They already have the holes drilled for 1/2" studs and are setup for the 24-spline axles. They are actually a better design for something that may get a lot of miles on the road because the center snout area where the axle spline is located is not "lightened" like the Moser unit and it would have a much less chance of breaking than the Moser unit. The only drawback to the unit is the $70.00 (each) price tag. But... if you want some insurance of not having a problem of having the 5/8" holes in the driveplate with 1/2" studs, it would probably fix all your problems.

The guy at the shop said they were made by Coleman Racing (who I have heard actually builds the floater hubs for Moser) but I can't locate them on Coleman's site. The only thing I don't know for sure is the placement of the 2 little set screws. I really don't think they serve a whole lot of purpose if the plates have 1/2" holes that line up the plate and then you torque your wheels down... They pretty much don't do anything else but hold the driveplates in place when there isn't a wheel on the car. To me, the drive plate would hold itself in place with the 5 studs holding it in place. With all that being said, the two set screws may be located exactly in the right place. I would just have to carry one of my Moser floating hubs up there to see how they match up...

If you are interested, I can make my way back over to that shop one day and get you some pictures or more information. Let me know if you still need to come up with a solution for your concern on this.

[Ron S]

Thanks Ray, the one thing I love about this site is how everyone trys to watch out for one another. I was actually was talking to Coleman, and Mike Holleman who runs that setup this week. Colemans website isn't the greatest as far as pictures go, I found this pic in a Google search.

I'm agonizing on what to do with my Mustang for a floater. Love the Dana thats in the car,the only part on the car I know I'll never have to touch.
Can't deside wether to lop the ends of the Dana and make it a floater, or switch to a 9" floater. While running a 4 speed with direct drive fourth, I really need a higher rear gear, and I am as high as a Dana will allow 3.54, I'd like to run a 3.20ish gear which is no problem with the 9"rears. Like the Moser DBP setup which is similar to GMR with its bearing seperation, it just doesn't use as big a bearing, and I do hate the driveplates. This is messed up, I think I'm getting my threads mixed up. LOL



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[454bug]

Hey Ron,

That's not exactly the plate I was referring to... Although, it's very close. I'm sure Coleman makes a number of different varieties.

Here's a picture I found of the one I was describing. As you can see, Speedway Motors sells the same drive plate. I'm sure Coleman makes them for a number of companies to their specs. It's just like other products where a lot of different companies sell something but they are actually produced by one or two companies... Like the old VCR's...

At least these have the correct 1/2" holes instead of the 5/8" holes in the Moser units. I asked Moser if I could get a custom set ordered with 1/2" hole in them and he told me they weren't really interested in catering to the Pro-Touring market.. They were a race car product company... In today's times, I don't think I would be pushing business away. I'd be looking for ways to increase different market niches...
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You see how much beefier it is around the 24-spline axle and hasn't been lightened like the Moser one...

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My asphalt circle track buddy said if they were to break from some shock load, they crack in one of these areas that have been lightened. I know we will give these things much less abuse than the racers but it may be an alternative for you... The two countersunk holes for the set screws should be located correctly but probably wouldn't be a big deal to make some new ones if you had to...

JUST SOME MORE INFO TO PONDER!! :hammer::rolleyes::banghead:

[FRENCHBLUE72]

Im very late to this build thread but glad I did not miss out on it alltogether.. Ron did you buy the whole watts link kit from fays2 or did they sell the center football seperate?

[Ron S]

Im very late to this build thread but glad I did not miss out on it alltogether.. Ron did you buy the whole watts link kit from fays2 or did they sell the center football seperate?

I just got the football from them, the rest is homemade. The quality on the Fays2 part was pretty good, if I remember right it was about $100.

[Ron S]

Haven't really had time to work on this thing(been thrashing on the Mustang), but I did get the front 335's on. I'm really diggin it.

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[CruizinKev]

drool. (nuff said) :twothumbs

[INTMD8]

This thing is crazy. Nice work!!! I've always liked the AMX, great looking car.

[srh3trinity]

Looks like he is trying to work in a front differential now guys. AWD AMX, just throwing it out there.

In all seriousness, this is going to be great.

Haven't really had time to work on this thing(been thrashing on the Mustang), but I did get the front 335's on. I'm really diggin it.

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[frojoe]

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This is just stupid.


In the most gloriously amazing way possible.

[ALLstrokedOUT]

Thats the money shot rite there..I LOVE everything you do, unbelievable craftmanship, over the top builds!

[jtomas801]

Okay, I give up, no way in hell is my javelin going to be able to hang with this thing, lol.

Great work as usual, can't wait to see how the sheet metal is going to look.

Jon

[Simmo]

I've always liked the AMX, great looking car.

I never have...but now I do! Can't wait to see it driven in anger.

[Ron S]

Okay, I give up, no way in hell is my javelin going to be able to hang with this thing, lol.

Great work as usual, can't wait to see how the sheet metal is going to look.

Jon

I followed your build on Lateral G, really liked what you did. Straight forward, simple, and durable, I'll bet that car works really well. The bad part about all this extreme stuff is, alot of times your in uncharted territory and you really have to mess with the car to get it to work. Hell, I'm still working on the Mustang tune trying to get it to autox the way I want.

[Evoix]

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Hey Ron I have a small question...
I was reading about certifying roll cages, because I don't know anything about them, and I understood the cross bar in your main hoop (in case of driver only) needs to be up on the drivers side (or for driver and co-driver need an X) - But on yours it's the opposite up towards passenger -think it was specifically an Austrailian guide from FIA, just assuming the cross brace was to prevent the driver from being crushed in a roll over, and assuming it would be the same here...

[Ron S]

Hey Ron I have a small question...
I was reading about certifying roll cages, because I don't know anything about them, and I understood the cross bar in your main hoop (in case of driver only) needs to be up on the drivers side (or for driver and co-driver need an X) - But on yours it's the opposite up towards passenger -think it was specifically an Austrailian guide from FIA, just assuming the cross brace was to prevent the driver from being crushed in a roll over, and assuming it would be the same here...


The roll cage isn't legal for SCCA, your correct the diagonal should be on the drivers side to be legal, and the door bars aren't legal either. This car is really a street car, legal to run in the A.S.C. series. I designed the cage more for head room, vision, saftey, and ease entering, and exiting the car. The diagonal definately adds to the ridgidity of the main hoop, I just didn't feel like beaning my head on it, due to the tight confines of that car. I still think this car will be one of the safest cars in the A.S.C. series.

[preston]

I use the Coleman drive plates with 1/2" studs and a 5*4.5 bolt pattern. THey are from their mod-lite package. Part # is 21634

If you have a different bolt pattern it will be a different plate, but just call them they can figure it out. My version has been lightened a bit too but not as much as that moser version. Also I am using a steel plate, not sure if you were using aluminum or not. You're obviously not worried about weight with that Dana60 in there :)

[Ron S]

Its funny you would say that Preston.

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[jtomas801]

I followed your build on Lateral G, really liked what you did. Straight forward, simple, and durable, I'll bet that car works really well. The bad part about all this extreme stuff is, alot of times your in uncharted territory and you really have mess with the car to get it to work. Hell, I'm still working on the Mustang tune trying to get it to autox the way I want.


Thanks, I hope it works out well. I am trying to keep it simple, but I always find something I don't like or want to redo already, lol. Like, I really want to put a cage in the car but, to be safe on the street the seat will be to low for me to see over the dash, plus it doesn't play well with the stock dash and headliner.

I like the coleman drive plates, hopefully they make them for the 5x5 grand national hubs I have, with 1/2 holes.

Thanks,
Jon

[javelin66]

the build is looking awesome i would bitching if you used this steve standford rendering as your finale body mod 57020

[Ron S]

Kinda looks like a cross between a new Mustang and an AMX. I've been up to my elbows in Mustang here lately, hoping to get back on this thing right after RTTS.

[dangina]

read the whole thread, such a sick build! have you decided on a paint scheme yet? I gotta go and read your mustang thread now - everyone keeps saying what a great project it is!

[85coupe50]

I figured with as fast as you were working on this car that it would have been the car for the RTTS. But please don't let the Mustang sit either... Outstanding work on this car as well as the mustang.

[Brads70]

Just went through every page. Fantastic build, just love it!:twothumbs

[68JAVELIN]

I wont be going that crazy on my Javelin but it looks amazing. I've got some great ideas now.

[Hondo78]

Nice build Ron, I am looking forward to seeing how you tackle the sheet metal. You really go heavy duty on the drive train, full floater dana 60 with a track link, you built an AMX around a BFH.

[Vegas69]

Man, this car is way to wicked not to pass the top sanctioning bodies inspection.

[Ron S]

Man, this car is way to wicked not to pass the top sanctioning bodies inspection.

I don't know Todd, do you really want an all out race car,SCCA legal door bars and all. I know I don't, there is just something about a badass door banger street car. If I wanted an AIX car, I'd probably build something more cheap/practicle for racing like a 4th gen Camaro.

Just got back from a week in the tropics for my daughters wedding, I should be able to focus a little on this car now, man is my life busy anymore. Had this thing stowed at my buddy Franks place, I'm sure hes ready to see it gone, and I'm chomping to start bending some metal.

[Vegas69]

Tough deal isn't it. I agree, something about the street is always attractive.

[Ron S]

Finally got this car home and ready for some sheet metal work. Exhaust turned out good, trying to deside how much flare I'm going to need.

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[Riggs 74]

The build is looking incredible. Thanks for sharing your skills and talent in a build thread like this one, it inspires Guy's like me to get out and build.


Riggs

[CruizinKev]

oh WOW!!!! looks awesome so far!!!

[linkstar69]

Look forward to seeing more progress on this one.

[craigs73]

Look forward to seeing more progress on this one.

x2 been wondering what was going on :machine:

[454bug]

I love how the engine tucks under the dash...

Great front/rear weight distribution!! :twothumbs

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[Mike Holleman]

Looks like you are having fun Bud. Only a month til Michigan. Mustang ready to go?
Mike

[Ron S]

I still have a few things to do on the old stang, but it will be there. Mike, what do you think about leaving this AMX in its original baby sh*t yellow patina? For some reason I'm kinda diggin it.

[Hotwhilz]

Hi Ron, glad you are back at the AMX, the sh*t yellow patina will look good I think, High tech stuff under a none appealing paint will be the trick, below a pic of a Mustang I baught from the US for a good customer of mine, wasn't a fan of the color until I saw it in person, it looks good with some matte black accents.

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Inspiring isn't it?

[Ron S]

Inspiring isn't it?

Yeah its definitly inspiring,I'm still not sure about the color but I can't wait to get to it.

[Brootal]

Wow. I'm an AMCer as well, although about as far from Pro-Touring as you can get. When it comes to cars and surfing, I think turning is overrated, it's all about the cruise/glide. ;)

Absolutely fascinated by this build, though. Looking forward to watching the progress.

[Mike Holleman]

Buddy that thing is gonna go like snot.
Won't matter if it's BS yellow or goober green, gonna look good at work. I just want a ride or be glad to help you break it in behind the wheel.



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[Ron S]

Trying to get an idea of what this thing is going to look like with a couple inches knocked off the nose and an inch of wheelbase added in the front. Moved the original wheel opening up, and forward to see what it will look like. Unfortunatly th original wheel opening doesn't have near enough flare for those 335's, but it at least gives me an idea. I do think it is an improvement over the original.

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[johngross]

glad you're back at it I enjoy following your work.

[srh3trinity]

I think those proportions will look better. I always thought the AMX looked a bit odd with the chopped off back end. This gives some balance. I wish I was gutsy enough to cut on my Firebird fenders like that. I may buy a rusty set and see what I can come up with. I really want a subtle flare over the stockers.

[Payton King]

yea buddy, heading in the right direction!

[andrewb70]

...... trying to deside how much flare I'm going to need.
.....

Twelve pieces of flair is the minimum Ron, but you don't want to be perceived as one of those people that just does the minimum, do you?

Andrew

[GNon18s]

Ron, i always wanted to ask you where you got your car building experience? Did you build/work on cars for a living at some point, or have you always just been a home hobbyist? Most people dont have the courage to built chassis at home. I know i dont and im a welder/fabricator for a living. You just seem so at ease cutting sh*t up!

[Ron S]

twelve pieces of flair is the minimum ron, but you don't want to be perceived as one of those people that just does the minimum, do you?

Andrew

Uhm, Stapler!

[Ron S]

Ron, i always wanted to ask you where you got your car building experience? Did you build/work on cars for a living at some point, or have you always just been a home hobbyist? Most people dont have the courage to built chassis at home. I know i dont and im a welder/fabricator for a living. You just seem so at ease cutting sh*t up!

Never been a mechanic, I'm really just a home hobbiest, but have been wrenching since I was 15, thats like 8 or 9 years of automotive experience, do the math.LOL

Seriously though, its only metal, if you screw it up, you can weld it back together, don't be scared, cut it up!

[GNon18s]

OK. I guess the chassis table taking up a whole bay in your garage made me think you did it for a living in the past. You must have done alot of home projects to have that thing in there!

[Ron S]

Yeah Justin, I tubbed my first car when I was 16. I have built alot of cars through the years, and have a long list cars I want to build before I croke.

Got the front clip setting there, have to deside if I like it or not. You can see how much I've taken off the front end.

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[nlancaster]

that is going to be a cool looking car when don. Keep up the inspiring work Ron.

[feeble]

Another great build. How much is the wheelbase lengthened over stock?

[johngross]

Doesn't the front look a lot like your mustang? Have you got a slight fixation on that look? :wasntme:

[Ron S]

Another great build. How much is the wheelbase lengthened over stock?

Yeah, the wheelbase grew 7", but yet I'm shortening the hood about 3", something doesn't seem right about that.

[Ron S]

Doesn't the front look a lot like your mustang? Have you got a slight fixation on that look? :wasntme:

Its the oval grill, whats not to like?

[INTMD8]

Twelve pieces of flair is the minimum Ron, but you don't want to be perceived as one of those people that just does the minimum, do you?

Andrew

LOL, Brian for example has 37 pieces of flair, and a terrific smile.

[johngross]

Well.... if it looks a little like your stang, then you have good taste. Your stang is a truly unique piece.

[dusterbd13]

Yeah Justin, I tubbed my first car when I was 16. I have built alot of cars through the years, and have a long list cars I want to build before I croke.

Got the front clip setting there, have to deside if I like it or not. You can see how much I've taken off the front end.

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thats disturbing.

in a good way.

and i needed the office space references this morning. thank you all.

[Payton King]

Do a completely custom lower valance and splitter and you have a winner!

[Mike Holleman]

That front view is starting to show just how BA this thing is. At some point I need to come give you a hand just so I can touch it while the inspirational juices are flowing. I've got a couple of future projects floating in the air right now that might benefit. You are it the point in the AMX build that is my favorite. I'm truly enjoying all your hard work. That is not much help is it?

[Zachalanche]

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Maybe its just the low stance, but there are some striking similarities here.

[Kenova]

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I love this shot. I know it's accidental, but having the hood kicked up at the cowl seems to add a heap of attitude. It almost gives the car an IMSA look.

Ken

[GNon18s]

Yeah, the wheelbase grew 7", but yet I'm shortening the hood about 3", something doesn't seem right about that.

I found this both funny and Awesome!!

[Hotwhilz]

I love this shot. I know it's accidental, but having the hood kicked up at the cowl seems to add a heap of attitude. It almost gives the car an IMSA look.
Ken

Ron ,Ken is right you got to stick with the raised hood, the front view is just screaming ATTITUDE!

The stang was incredible but the AMX gonna be even cooler (read Hotter )
The engine better be up to the look of this car, what do you have in mind?


Ben

[Ron S]

It will be LS powered, but I've haven't nailed that down yet.

Did some measuring tonight, the car is 48" tall, about the same as the Mustang, but it is 12.5" shorter then the Mustang, and the 66 Mustang wasn't considered a big car back in the day. It has a 105" wheelbase vs. the Mustangs 108". Experimental ? wonder how it will all work.

[johngross]

It reeks a "middle finger in your face" attitude..............which one was the mustang again,.........the blue one? :rotfl:

[LSfan70s]

Another great build. Subscribing!

[Ron S]

Got the hood starting to fit, and wanted to show the mustang differences. Although the cars are ther same height to the roof, the belt line on the Mustang is much lower, making the hood on the AMX set higher,in turn making the whole car seem higher. I do like the wheelbase changes, think it really helps the car, though the purists will probably hate it. I think it was Jimi Day who said you could fit all the AMX fans into a Volkswagon.

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[Motorcitydak]

Wow those 2 cars look awesome next to each other!!!

[LSXZ28]

Ron, you never cease to amaze me! Another awesome build! Give me a shout when you are ready to tune it... won't be long knowing you!

[72D100]

Original or not that thing looks awesome. cant wait to see the finished product

[69lsxamx]

Hey Ron did you move the front wheels forward any ? Or just shorten the front of the fenders. I really like the way the front looks now And the extra length in wheelbase makes the amx look much better. I have one also I'm working on. It has art Morrison C5 subframe and I've almost gotten the cobra IRS installed. Seeing yours has given me more motivation to work on mine I even sold my 93 cobra to help fund my amx project.

[dsapper]

I have to be honest, that war beaten paint job is really growing on me.

[67SSDan]

LOL I just stumbled on this thread... you're nuts Ron! I will say this though, if anyone can make an AMX cool, it'll be you. I agree with the other person; do a custom front bumper / splitter like the mustang and then do something funky with the backside and you'll have a winner for sure. Can't wait to see this one unfold!

Dan

P.S. Does this mean I can have the mustang now?

[johngross]

Now you'll need a double trailer so everyone can see both cars at the events you attend!

[Ron S]

P.S. Does this mean I can have the mustang now?


Unfortunatly when the Mustang does go it will be no budget(lol). I've got alot of time in that car.

[Brootal]

Wow. I'm an AMCer as well, although about as far from Pro-Touring as you can get. When it comes to cars and surfing, I think turning is overrated, it's all about the cruise/glide. ;)

Absolutely fascinated by this build, though. Looking forward to watching the progress.

[johngross]

Ron, if you plan on selling it for a lot of money, you shouldn't make it look so easy. I mean, .......jeez it only took a couple of months, .....right? It will be worth a fortune just because it's so DARN coooool. :smoke:

[Ron S]

Hey Ron did you move the front wheels forward any ? Or just shorten the front of the fenders. I really like the way the front looks now And the extra length in wheelbase makes the amx look much better. I have one also I'm working on. It has art Morrison C5 subframe and I've almost gotten the cobra IRS installed. Seeing yours has given me more motivation to work on mine I even sold my 93 cobra to help fund my amx project.

The front was pushed forward an inch

[85coupe50]

Glad you got back to this car. I was really wondering what and where it was at this point. Looks great in the current paint. Can't wait to see what you do with the wheel openings.

[cobragt]

any idea on color?

[Ron S]

Like always I have no clue, it will probably be picked the day before I shoot it.

[Ron S]

Got the door welded up and hung, liking the changes more and more everyday.

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[HectorM52]

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Was hoping to find a better pic where you could really compare the two, but I'm striking out finding good pics of AMX's. Is that saying something?? :)

Car is looking great, Ron. You've got good "vision" for making vehicles look better with somewhat "subtle" changes. Not that the Mustang or this project is subtle, but they're not not big, bling, added-wing kinda changes either. They're tasteful, enhancing changes. Keep it up.

[Hotwhilz]

Excellent, than ks for the pics Adam, you can really tell where the changes had been made!
Ron, is this one going to have windows?

[johngross]

Personally, I think the doors kinda hide the cool stuff inside. Do you really need them? :pat:
It's coming along at that "Ron" speed now!!! Keep it up.

[Brootal]

Here's a pic of an AMX that sits about right. Stolen off the web from somewhere...

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Pinched one of your pics and resized it. Had to crop out some of the dog, sorry. :)

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[Ron S]

Excellent, than ks for the pics Adam, you can really tell where the changes had been made!
Ron, is this one going to have windows?

This thing may get a/c.

[Wesley J]

Keep up the good work and this thing may not even be ugly when done ;-) If they would've moved the diffy back 40 some years ago we may still be driving AMC's. I drove a Concord for years and honestly was the most reliable car I've ever owned, seconded by my '82 Z28 Pace Car. My 78 Honda Accord was the most unreliable. Seems I may be living in a parallel universe to most...

Loved the quote about the Volkswagen!

Oh ya, you better keep those iconic door handles!

Cheers,

Wes

[AMC Racer]

Amazing work! For the hood, maybe consider adapting the later Javelin cowl hood? The earlier pictures with the raised hood looks way more aggressive than the flat hood ... but maybe then wants the whole Javelin front clip ... maybe leave that for the next AMC project :) ...

74 Javelin AMX with cowl hood:

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Here's a post on the AMC Forum where a guy adapted one to an early Javelin, which is basically the same front end as your AMX. Repro fibreglass hoods are available.
http://theamcforum.com/forum/cowl-induction-hood-On-69-javelin_topic17714_page3.html

[Ron S]

I love the fenders on the newer AMX's(big american bulges), but kind of dig the original hood on the 69. Still amazed the early, and late AMX's sported the same doors and trunk lid.

[AMC Racer]

There are a few early AMXs modified with the later front end, but the proportions aren't quite right .... for sure would look better with the wheelbase stretch like your AMX and maybe flares on the rear to match the front and a shorter nose .... so keeping your original fenders and hood likely works best. I'm sure whatever you do will be cool.

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[Torquedork]

I love the fenders on the newer AMX's(big american bulges), but kind of dig the original hood on the 69. Still amazed the early, and late AMX's sported the same doors and trunk lid.


Ron,

Sometime back I played around via the computer with Coloradoamx's beautiful later AMX and shortened it to a two seater but not quite as much as the original two seater. I also took a bunch of the front overhang off and made the bulges a little more subtle and took a bit out of the roof.
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[Ron S]

Yeah, AMC really liked the long noses. Like the way they weren't scared to try some different things though. I really thing every car out there except the midyears Vettes, could benefit from a little nip and tuck.

[noob5,000,000]

I had to join just to express how awesome this build is.

[Ashc]

x2

Just finished reading both this thread and your Mustang thread, signed up to be notified of any updates as they come along.

Awesome work, Ron. Even my 2 year old son, also named Ronnie, was eyeing off your pictures as I was reading through. This was soon followed by "look Dad, look". Then running around the room making brrrmm brrrmmm noises.

[Ron S]

Well I like that kid, he sounds like fun.

[ryeguy2006a]

Awesome build. Look forward to seeing what direction the build goes.

[65_LS1_T56]

Just wanted to drop in and say thanks for the birthday rides this weekend at OMCC, best birthday ever hands down. I was a fan of you work before, now even more after spending time with you guys all weekend.
Good time for sure, and hope you made it back (maybe you're not there just yet) safely. Next time, maybe charge admission to your awesome ride, just saying :drive1:

Thanks again, look forward to it another day.

[Ron S]

It was a really good time Aaron, congrats on the win. I appreciated the taste of your home brew, you should try to make it to RTTH, its always a good time.

[Six_Shooter]

WHY oh WHY did I not see this thread before today?!!!

Awesome work, I can't get over the square sizes of tires... 335s on the FRONT?!! Just pure awesome sauce.

But to be honest, it really needs AWD, with a square tire size THAT large. ;) nudge nudge....

[66larkgs]

I love the fact that you have your hands in everything. Jeeps, hot rods the old power wagon , I am sure you have built all kinds of cool things. I enjoy knowing that I am not the only person out thier who enjoys a lot of projects at once. I think it sooths the mind and always gives me a reason for a cold Sam Adams!

[Ron S]

I love the fact that you have your hands in everything. Jeeps, hot rods the old power wagon , I am sure you have built all kinds of cool things. I enjoy knowing that I am not the only person out thier who enjoys a lot of projects at once. I think it sooths the mind and always gives me a reason for a cold Sam Adams!

Oh, you don't know the half of it.LOL

[Motorcitydak]

But to be honest, it really needs AWD, with a square tire size THAT large. ;) nudge nudge....


This guy mite be on to something :)

[Ron S]

Fuel tank just came in from ATL, its a shame I have no time to work on it. Space restraints made it very tall and skinny.

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[Mr.VENGEANCE]

damn how many gallon is that?

[Ron S]

Its 22 gallon, had a heck of a time finding something that would fit in that oddly shaped space.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

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[jtomas801]

Fuel tank just came in from ATL, its a shame I have no time to work on it. Space restraints made it very tall and skinny.

Well, one good thing is since it is tall and skinny, you will have more usable fuel in the tank because it won't slosh away or uncover the pickup so easy. It looks like you are running an intank pump, if you don't mind me asking, what pump(s) are you running?

Car is coming out nice, can't wait to see it after you get some time to work on it.

Thanks,
Jon

[Ron S]

It uses the Bosch HP pump, its good to 700 HP. Here is a link to ATL's site scroll down to the bottom.
http://www.atlinc.com/saver-cell-series.html

[Dave B]

Man, you build some awesome stuff!!

[tazzz25906112]

Got the door welded up and hung, liking the changes more and more everyday.

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Friggin awesome bud,,,, call me we need to talk about the SEMA run...

[Racinjitter]

It uses the Bosch HP pump, its good to 700 HP. Here is a link to ATL's site scroll down to the bottom.
http://www.atlinc.com/saver-cell-series.html

Looks like a bosch 023 in tank pump to me? Keep up the good work!

[John Wright]

Good stuff Ron. Love the AMX progress

[Brads70]

any updates? :drool:

[tommycomfort]

OK, I'm subscribing because I like everything you build Ron and someday I hope to have time to read the whole build thread.

[craigs73]

been wondering about this project ron.....how is it coming along? i know you been busy with yoiur stang going to sema and all...but curious to see if any progress has been made

[Ron S]

Soon, you wouldn't beleive what I'm working on right now.

[Mike Holleman]

I will believe ya, but you have to tell me first.
Soon, you wouldn't beleive what I'm working on right now.

[craigs73]

Soon, you wouldn't beleive what I'm working on right now.


I will believe ya, but you have to tell me first.

lol x2 :machine:

[65_LS1_T56]

Geez, the suspense Ron! Come on :pics2:

[Rick D]

Yah come on!!!

[Ron S]

Really guys, its not anything to get excited about. I just inherited a 1969 shortbed 4x4 Dodge pickup setting on a newer 80's chassis, 5.7 hemi efi., 727, 205 t/c and Dana 60's front and back. Its a really cool old hillbilly truck, which I'm trying to get running before I switch back to the AMX. I'll post some pics as soon as I take some.

[LS6 Tommy]

I don't mean to sound overly negative. Your work is great & the frame looks really cool. I realize you are just working with what you've got, but it's almost a shame to take an AMX & put so many man hours into making it into a Javelin without a back seat. I don't know if I would have been brave enough. Good for you! Maybe I would have spared the AMX & modded a Javelin? Umm, ehh, I don't know.. I guess they're both about as rare these days. I tend to be a little too nostalgic, I guess. LOL I'm sure it will be really cool when you're done!

Tommy

[Martin71RS]

so many projects to do and so little time to do it in....we all have the same "problem" I guess.