Project Sabre, a 1971 Cutlass Pro-Touring car for the average Joe [Archive]

SparkyRnD

09-01-2011, 05:59 PM

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EDIT: HERE ARE THE COMPLETED RENDERINGS!!! THANKS TO JASON RUSHFORTH!

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We wanted to take a moment to introduce our future shop car and Autocross machine, called Project Sabre. The base of the project is a 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass 'S'. We will be swapping in LS motor, manual transmission, chassis upgrades, custom brakes, Rushforth Wheels along with a slew of other killer upgrades.

The goals for this project are a platform to display our products in use, that we can also use competitively at the autocross tracks. But the main goal for this project is to build a very streetable and usable Pro-Touring Muscle Car that anyone can replicate with a little planning and elbow grease. This will not be an overpowered, overpriced car that spends all of its time at shows and on trailers. It is meant to be driven, and driven hard!

There are quite a few great folks involved with this build, including Bulldawg Musclecars, Jason Rushforth and others. We will be documenting the entire build from start to finish, so that everyone can see exactly what we used and why.

You can see our project site and updates here:
www.projectsabre.com (http://www.projectsabre.com)

BulldawgMusclecars

09-02-2011, 03:26 PM

Glad to see this project posted here, Sparky! We're looking forward to getting started on it!

SparkyRnD

09-04-2011, 10:20 AM

We are too. I am heading out tomorrow to pick the car up, dropping it off at your shop and updating the website and this thread with pictures.

BulldawgMusclecars

10-13-2011, 12:46 PM

Project Sabre is underway! Here are a few shots of it the day it arrived at the shop.

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She's pimpin' with that white interior!

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The "Rocket" 350, now gone to a new home in an '87 4-4-2

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joeko23

10-13-2011, 01:04 PM

Can't wait for you to start the build. Do you guys have a budget?

BulldawgMusclecars

10-13-2011, 01:19 PM

As Sparky mentioned, this build is intended to show that it isn't necessary to have an air-to-water intercooled American Express Black card to have a nice Pro Touring car. If you're looking for the latest widget machined from billet unobtanium, you're probably not going to find it here. We are using off the shelf parts, and in some cases parts that will soon be released to the general public. We will also be using some used parts, where deemed safe and reliable enough. For less than the cost of a new crate motor, we will have a 400+ engine with a 6 speed manual transmission and a rear end that will take anything we throw at it. Make no mistake, while this car is being built to the highest standards, it is being built with a realistic budget in mind.

BulldawgMusclecars

10-13-2011, 01:32 PM

Can't wait for you to start the build. Do you guys have a budget?

There isn't a specific figure in mind, since we don't want to compromise the integrity of the build shooting for a number. Some things, like the wheels, aren't exactly budget items, but there are plenty of ways to save money building a car, and we will highlight those.

joeko23

10-13-2011, 02:00 PM

gotcha, I will definitely stay tuned for the build

SparkyRnD

10-13-2011, 02:51 PM

Throughout the build, we are going to update what we've spent on various parts. We want this build to be able to be replicated, so the prices we pay will be what are available all over, rather than just a one-in-a-million deal that no one will ever find again. We will also list the parts we use on Sabre, as well as the companies / locations where we purchase them. The best part will be early next year starting to run Sabre on courses and proving that this project not only works, but will take repeated floggings.

Safety though will be of top importance. Brakes, suspension, belts, and other items are being chosen for safety AND performance, not just because they look neat.

deejai35

10-13-2011, 06:24 PM

I'm so glad to see that you chose an Oldsmobile as your A-body to build. I can't wait to see what products you use.

chunger

10-13-2011, 08:49 PM

Always interesting to see something other than a Camaro or Nova on here... will be interesting to follow.

CruizinKev

10-13-2011, 08:49 PM

cool project! can't wait to see more! :twothumbs

Simmo

10-14-2011, 01:35 AM

Cool.

I have an A Body, and a budget aswell so will keep an eye on your progress!

rfalker1

10-14-2011, 02:53 AM

BulldawgMusclecars

10-14-2011, 06:36 AM

Here we are getting started on the teardown:

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The 350 removed. The firewall and undercarriage are in surprisingly good shape. I'm used to doing tons of rust repair, but there will be very little of that here. Even the factory red oxide primer is visible on the bottom of the firewall.

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Somewhere underneath all that wiring and ugliness is an iron block 6.0 LQ4. We'll take care of that.

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The seller of this T56 failed to mention it was painted flourescent snot green...that is going to be fun to strip off.

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BulldawgMusclecars

10-14-2011, 06:40 AM

I'm so glad to see that you chose an Oldsmobile as your A-body to build. I can't wait to see what products you use.

That was all Sparky's decision, but I'm glad, too. Funny thing is, it isn't the only Olds at the shop. We have a '65 Starfire here too, getting some minor repairs, and may soon have a 4-4-2 convertible.

muthstryker

10-14-2011, 08:29 AM

IS there any way you can get the paint code on that tranny for me? :hand:

BulldawgMusclecars

10-14-2011, 08:35 AM

The truck oil pan isn't going to work with the BRP/Musclerods mounts (or anybody's, for that matter), so Sparky ordered the GMPP Muclecar Pan Kit, PN 19212593. This came from our own Jeff Tate at Day's Chevrolet.

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The Cutlass had an automatic, so a set of pedals was ordered.

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The stock steering wheel has to go. In its place, this one from Momo.

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BulldawgMusclecars

10-14-2011, 08:37 AM

IS there any way you can get the paint code on that tranny for me? :hand:

I saw an S10 completely painted with the stuff a few days ago, so I'm sure Schlepp Boys or Twilight Zone will have it.

muthstryker

10-14-2011, 08:40 AM

Its just, so, bright.

armourmark

10-14-2011, 09:32 AM

I believe that is the tranny from the Incredible Hulk's ride, not to be confused with goldberg. lol

SparkyRnD

10-14-2011, 09:40 AM

Yeah, I had a few words with the seller. He was honest and upfront about everything else, packed it extremely well (Joe, do you have a picture of the 'padding' you can post?), but he failed to mention the nuclear booger green paint.

BulldawgMusclecars

10-14-2011, 10:50 AM

I probably should have taken some. It was in a rubbermaid tub, held to a pallet with ratchet straps, and filled with a couple dozen old dish towels and a whole bunch of cardboard. Did the job, though...it got here in 1 piece.

SparkyRnD

10-14-2011, 12:56 PM

I bought and read Mark Savitske's book, How To Make Your Muscle Car Handle, which was a very informative read with great information. We will be discussing the suspension upgrades over the next week or two, and hope to have it selected before the end of the month.

BulldawgMusclecars

10-14-2011, 02:04 PM

The 6.0 is on the stand, and we've stripped off the harness, exhaust manifolds, motor mounts, etc. More pics tomorrow!

SparkyRnD

10-14-2011, 03:17 PM

Fantastic! I finished the A-Body LS swap radiator prototype and will bring it tomorrow morning for a final test fit too.

SparkyRnD

10-15-2011, 03:45 PM

MGCslugger33

10-16-2011, 05:50 PM

Great Idea on the build. I think many middle class guys, like myself, will appreciate it. You guys aren't too far from me either. I'll definitely be keeping up with this thread for some ideas on my build.

SparkyRnD

10-16-2011, 06:31 PM

yeah, you are only an hour away from us. You should come up some time and check out the car in person. We have a monthly meet & greet at Bulldawg Musclecars shop (2nd saturday of every month, 8am until when ever)

BulldawgMusclecars

10-24-2011, 08:21 AM

Sold off the interior today! Local guy with a 1970 Cutlass S is buying it for his restoration. We also test fit the prototype, and I'm going to move the bottom tab over 5/8" to get it to better line up with the factory u-channel.

Looks like the interior is still up for grabs...the buyer backed out, since he wanted the headliner (!) and we couldn't get it out in 1 piece. 40+ year old glue doesn't want to budge!

SparkyRnD

10-27-2011, 11:24 AM

We sold the interior yesterday afternoon, to a semi-local customer restoring another Cutlass. We also mocked up the 2003 Monte Carlo interior, and it is almost a perfect fit!

ChevelleNV

10-27-2011, 03:29 PM

Need more porn......I mean pictures! Looking forward to the progress on this project, I love A-Body's, owned more than a few over the years.

SparkyRnD

10-27-2011, 04:44 PM

I recently received and installed the Modo Innovations pedal covers, and MAN ARE THEY COOL! Took about 15 minutes to mark and drill the pedals and install. The raised studs will make sure my shoes get wicked grip around the twisties. The rendering from Rushforth is almost done as well, so I'll get those uploaded soon.

SRD art

10-27-2011, 10:31 PM

Pics! Looking forward to seeing more, I love Cutlass'!

BulldawgMusclecars

10-28-2011, 06:30 AM

I just picked up the mounts from Jeff at BRP/Musclerods last night, before he left for SEMA, and will try to get the engine and trans mocked up by tomorrow afternoon, and get the pics up. Sabre is going to be the guinea pig for BRP's new transmission crossmember, which will bolt up to factory frame holes rather than requiring any drilling as before.

zuess4u

10-28-2011, 08:10 AM

BulldawgMusclecars

10-29-2011, 06:13 AM

Thanks Zuess!

Drew2672

10-30-2011, 06:24 AM

Great project. I have an A Body Lemans Sport I will be doing in the future, so this will be great for me to watch.

BulldawgMusclecars

10-31-2011, 04:32 PM

Here are a few pics of the engine, a 6.0 litre LQ4 from an '03 Chevy van. You can tell this isn't a passenger car engine, since it has a mechanical fan, "tall" accessory brackets, and the tall truck-style intake. Plus, it has an iron block. In this pic, I have just removed the intake, and you can see all the accumulated nastiness underneath. A shop vac and a wire brush made quick work of it, though.

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The coolant tubes are pretty rusty, too...that'll need to be replaced.

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The fan, which will be replaced with dual electrics, from RnD Fabrication, of course.

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The original truck-style oil pan.

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And removed...

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The old windage tray and pickup:

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The new...

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GMPP Musclecar Pan Kit Installed (minus the dipstick and tube; this is just mockup)

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If you're using a T56 with an engine that had an auto, don't forget the pilot bearing:

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Clutch assembly installed

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BRP/Musclerods Motor Mount installed

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BulldawgMusclecars

10-31-2011, 04:33 PM

The mounts bolt up to the same ones as the original Olds mounts; no drilling required. I hit the holes with a little silver spray paint for clarity.

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One of the original mounts

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This shot gives a better idea where the engine mounts up:

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Mocked up (trans isn't in place yet)

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The last shot shows my trusty TPIS "Happy Hooker"...its an older one, but we drilled it for LS engines as well as several extra carb patterns.

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The old gas tank is also out, but no pics of that yet.

GeoffP

10-31-2011, 04:53 PM

I am blown away at how nasty the new engine was - I'd be worried that it had some internal water damage from all that nastiness and rust.

kmdracer

10-31-2011, 05:24 PM

I always loved these model Olds. Just was never a fan of the tucked wheels. Looking forward to seeing how this turns out.

moran.223

10-31-2011, 05:51 PM

BulldawgMusclecars

11-01-2011, 09:09 AM

I am blown away at how nasty the new engine was - I'd be worried that it had some internal water damage from all that nastiness and rust.

I think it looks a lot worse than it really is. Inside the oil pan looked good, as did inside the valley. We are just doing mockup right now; the engine will come back out for de-rusting, panting, re-gasketing, and anything else it needs....in addition to a hotter cam and new lifters and trays.

BulldawgMusclecars

11-01-2011, 09:20 AM

A-Body!! Budget Build!!! Ok. Hints! Wilwood D52 calipers for the front(easy peasy low cost and better stopping), Jegs tubular Lower rear control arms with Edelbrock uppers. Edelbrock Sway bars are good. Eibach 2'' drop springs from Summit are a good deal if you dont accidentally install them upside down :P You should look my purple people eater post up more details are there. All done on a college budget in my garage over the winter. Great street manners, decent autocross manners.

Thanks for the hints, Moran, but we've got most of our plan together on that part of the build. While we are doing this on a budget, we are using suspension parts designed to work together as a system, from one manufacturer, to ensure that after all this effort Sabre will perform in exactly the way we want, without a lot of guesswork or changing components later. It may cost a little more up front, but the end result will be well worth it. We have sought the advice of one of the leaders in the industry, and will be using his proven system. We aren't looking to re-invent the wheel here, just provide solid results that can be easily duplicated. For the brakes, the fronts are up in the air right now, but we'll be using at least a 13" rotor, and more than likely with GM or GM based parts.

SparkyRnD

11-01-2011, 09:27 AM

I stopped by the shop earlier today to pick up the gas tank (take a wild guess what we're going to be building and offering for sale soon!). While there, I got to check out the mocked up motor. I was very impressed with the BRP motor mounts, as well as where they placed the motor. You can even keep the stock A/C box if you want, and still have room to remove the valve covers when needed!

moran.223

11-01-2011, 02:27 PM

BulldawgMusclecars

11-01-2011, 03:58 PM

I researched and spoke with several of the leading/popular companies that do total vehicle suspension kits from the most basic kits to the most complete. Excluding front control arms because I don't know what I want yet.(I just punched the ball joints/bushings out and refinished with moog joints, 2 degree shafts, and poly bushings)With every kit I saw things I didnt particularly like(no name shocks, no name springs, no spring rate options, tubular vs boxed arms, hardware or no hardware.) No name springs really cost me with a jeep I lifted before because they sagged in a matter of months. Good control arms are good control arms. Same with sway bars, springs, and shocks. I trust what a companies specialty is. Eibach makes good springs, KYB makes shocks that last a long time, Wilwood makes good brakes. Its their specialty. I see the kits as a "jack of all trades master of none" so to speak. If you've used the parts before on something else and they were good then I have no qualms, but in a competition with other companies they have to cut costs somewhere in the process to compete. I pieced my stuff together through research. The hardest part about the chassis upgrade was getting the old bolts off. Everything bolted right up with no mods. "Designed to work together" is a great way to sell the kits together and make parts seem incompatible. While that's true for some stuff(matching sway bars or springs), as long as you get the specs you can get the right part the first time and save more dough. Don't take this as me trying to burn you, because I mean no offense.

No offense taken, but I think you misunderstood what I meant. There is a vast difference between the average suspension marketer, and a manufacturer that actually races what they sell. We aren't using one of those "everything in a box for $$$, and its all Chinese crap" suspension kits, and from what you describe you aren't either. What we are going for is a system that is proven...not a sway bar from here, springs from there, and hoping that we chose the right rate, the right size, and the right materials. Those bargain priced kits splashed all over the magazines are mostly imported junk, sourced from the lowest bidder. I wouldn't put one on my lawn mower, much less a customer's car. This car is going to be driven hard, in all sorts of venues, and the last thing we want to do is have to go back and re-buy components that don't do the job to our standards. For that reason, we went straight to one of the leading manufacturers, who has proven systems that are beaten on mercilessly before they ever go up for sale. Plenty of manufacturers build good quality parts...few build a system that consistently leads the pack. There is nothing wrong with buying parts on a piecemeal approach, but we want to eliminate as much of the tuning time as possible since we have a tight build schedule for this car, and once its done we want to drive it and beat on it...not spend more time changing what didn't work to our expectations.

moran.223

11-01-2011, 04:54 PM

No offense taken, but I think you misunderstood what I meant. There is a vast difference between the average suspension marketer, and a manufacturer that actually races what they sell. We aren't using one of those "everything in a box for $$$, and its all Chinese crap" suspension kits, and from what you describe you aren't either. What we are going for is a system that is proven...not a sway bar from here, springs from there, and hoping that we chose the right rate, the right size, and the right materials. Those bargain priced kits splashed all over the magazines are mostly imported junk, sourced from the lowest bidder. I wouldn't put one on my lawn mower, much less a customer's car. This car is going to be driven hard, in all sorts of venues, and the last thing we want to do is have to go back and re-buy components that don't do the job to our standards. For that reason, we went straight to one of the leading manufacturers, who has proven systems that are beaten on mercilessly before they ever go up for sale. Plenty of manufacturers build good quality parts...few build a system that consistently leads the pack. There is nothing wrong with buying parts on a piecemeal approach, but we want to eliminate as much of the tuning time as possible since we have a tight build schedule for this car, and once its done we want to drive it and beat on it...not spend more time changing what didn't work to our expectations.

Ok, I see, I dont want to insult any manufacturers my mentioning it because several of them offered me decent discounts after I talked to them, but I thought that's what you were talking about.
If you don't mind telling, who are you going with? There are a few that I would have bought but I wasn't ready to decide on what I was going to do with the front control arms.

BulldawgMusclecars

11-02-2011, 02:01 PM

When I saw that Sabre had a vinyl top, I initially cringed...the rust under a vinyl top is usually pretty bad, with lots of pitting in the metal. This one is in very good shape, considering...at least on the driver's side.

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The passenger side wasn't quite so good. There was evidence of rust under the bottom molding, and a couple of small holes in the metal. This isn't really that bad, though, and will be easily fixed with a fabricated patch. This is the worst part of the whole car.

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The previous owner's nickname, apparently...

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We'll be filling the hole in the firewall with a fabricated panel, and adding aftermarket air conditioning.

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In sort of an odd coincidence, I worked for Lewis Welch Olds briefly in the early '90s.

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BulldawgMusclecars

11-03-2011, 03:15 PM

Today we stripped off the rest of the vinyl top, and the moldings for the front and rear windshield, as well as the drip rail moldings, rocker moldings, and a few other pieces.

The rust in the passenger side sail panel, after a little grinding. We'll make a patch for this. The top overall looks very good, considering it had a vinyl top on it.

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Rear window trim removed. The channels look good, with just a little surface rust.

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Badges? We don't need no stinking badges...

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We took off the Olds trim panel while we were at it...not sure if its going back on at this point, or if we'll be filling the holes.

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Vinyl top removed

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Bodyside moldings removed. These holes will be welded up.

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We discovered this as we pulled the rocker molding...rust in the bottom of the fender. No biggee, we'll patch it.

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This pile of rust fell out when the rocker molding came off:

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Windshield trim removed. The channels are in good shape.

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There is a little rust in the top of the dash, under the windshield.

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A little more rust under the wide cowl trim, but this is just surface rust.

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SparkyRnD

11-03-2011, 03:46 PM

We took off the Olds trim panel while we were at it...not sure if its going back on at this point, or if we'll be filling the holes

We're going to fill them and not look back.

MGCslugger33

11-04-2011, 05:07 AM

Are you guys going to use a factory ram air hood on it? Any Stripes?

Im partial to both, as I did on my old one......:smoke:

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SparkyRnD

11-04-2011, 05:10 AM

No. We thought about it briefly, but we decided to keep the stock hood and modify the faux vents to become actual functional vents. And for stripes, there will be two stripes down the hood. Rushforth is pretty close to finishing the rendering, and when completed I'll post the renderings so everyone can see where we're going.

MGCslugger33

11-04-2011, 06:00 AM

BulldawgMusclecars

11-04-2011, 07:23 AM

We're also showing that you don't have to have a 4-4-2, SS, Z/28, etc to have fun. Personally, I prefer the more common models as a basis for a project so that I don't feel so bad when I cut it up!
I LOVE the looks of the W-30 hood, but this car will have a different vibe with the stock hood, and the only thing the fake vents on this hood lack is functionality. They will make great heat extractors.

SRD art

11-04-2011, 01:28 PM

Man, I thought my 5.3 looked bad with a little grease and gook on it but you guys win the ugly prize, lol! Isn't it a great feeling when you take something like this and turn it into something great? Can't wait to see things come together as you take what's rough and make it polished!

Keep it coming, and tell Jason to wrap it up we're all dying to see where it's headed! ;)

SRD art

11-04-2011, 01:36 PM

Ooops, double post...

BulldawgMusclecars

11-04-2011, 01:55 PM

I'm anxious too...I have seen a few preliminary sketches, and it looks good. Yes, the 6.0 looks bad...I think it came from Massachusetts...but I haven't seen any cause for concern yet. We'll take it down to a shortblock, and check everything out really well before proceeding. Honestly, I can't wait to get that stuff done, so that I can work some detailing magic on it! That and the green transmission, lol.

GeoffP

11-04-2011, 05:55 PM

You know you secretly like that green transmission Joe!!

SparkyRnD

11-04-2011, 06:28 PM

I think he secretly likes that, the rusty crossover tube on the motor and the mustard paint!

BulldawgMusclecars

11-05-2011, 08:40 AM

Ha, I'm anxious to get rid of all 3!

BulldawgMusclecars

11-08-2011, 05:12 PM

Sorry for no updates in a few days, guys. The plan is to get the extraneous holes in Sabre welded up over the next couple of days, and possibly finish the disassembly of the body. We should be getting our chassis parts in for mockup soon, too.

SparkyRnD

11-08-2011, 07:00 PM

The LS1 intake should be there in a few days too (thanks Geoff!). The truck intake would clear the hood, but the alternator and bracket are too tall for the hood, so we are going to swap it all out and slap in a new cam while we are at it.

GeoffP

11-08-2011, 07:09 PM

Glad to help! You helped me too by helping fund an LS2 intake and DBW TB for my build (thanks to you too!).

BulldawgMusclecars

11-09-2011, 09:35 AM

We just received the intake! Thanks Geoff!

SparkyRnD

11-09-2011, 11:09 AM

I love it when goodies arrive! Now to source the correct front accessory brackets to bring that alternator back down so it will clear the hood.

GeoffP

11-09-2011, 11:24 AM

Excellent - my LS2 instake arrived today too! I trust it arrived in good shape? Sparky, I bought a brand new Vette accessory bracket for $73 off of eBay...money well spent!

BulldawgMusclecars

11-09-2011, 01:02 PM

Excellent - my LS2 instake arrived today too! I trust it arrived in good shape? Sparky, I bought a brand new Vette accessory bracket for $73 off of eBay...money well spent!

Yes, it was packed very well! Thanks! And it wasn't even painted green :cheers:!!!

GeoffP

11-09-2011, 01:51 PM

Dang - I knew I forgot to do something! I even had some green paint!

SparkyRnD

11-09-2011, 03:42 PM

I'm still a bit ticked over that.

SRD art

11-12-2011, 03:08 PM

Yes, it was packed very well! Thanks! And it wasn't even painted green :cheers:!!!

Lol!

Hood clearance issue resolved and a few extra ponies, congrats on the great buy.

jus1975

11-14-2011, 09:39 AM

i got to follow this one

BulldawgMusclecars

11-15-2011, 11:35 AM

More pics coming soon!

csouth

11-15-2011, 12:28 PM

I'm heading home to Atlanta for the holiday, I should stop by and check you guys out on my way down 75......

BulldawgMusclecars

11-15-2011, 03:10 PM

I'm heading home to Atlanta for the holiday, I should stop by and check you guys out on my way down 75......

Please do, visitors are always welcome in the shop!

SparkyRnD

11-15-2011, 03:46 PM

and, their shop is about 2 miles off the highway, so very easy to get to

csouth

11-15-2011, 08:54 PM

Please do, visitors are always welcome in the shop!

Will do. I should be hitting that area @ 1-2pm Wed afternoon

BulldawgMusclecars

11-21-2011, 06:03 PM

The factory rally wheels were sold today, so that's $150 back in the budget! They are going on a VW of all things. Tomorrow...back on Sabre, with more teardown and possibly a little welding!

SparkyRnD

11-21-2011, 06:13 PM

now if we can sell off the Cragar SS 5 spoke wheels!

GeoffP

11-21-2011, 06:46 PM

I know how you feel with needing to sell things to make other things happen! (or at least I assume that's the plan!) On topic, what are your plans for the engine such as cam, heads, etc?

SparkyRnD

11-21-2011, 06:55 PM

Selling the parts that we aren't using is a great way to help fund our budget build. Every dollar recouped can go towards buying another part and reducing our overall outlay of cash. So far we have found a buyer for every single item removed, so that is helping a lot!

For the engine, we are nailing down the cam & valve train items and will post up what we choose next week. We are going to keep the engine pretty much stock, other than cam / headers / LS1 intake swap and a reprogramming on the PCM. While it would be neat to upgrade to a lot of performance parts, these motors can be very capable and competitive with only bare bones upgrades. I won't win any quarter mile drags with the guys that have much more heavily built engines or boost applications, but then again I am looking to be competitive between the cones; that means I need to have good torque but not over power around the turns. Plus, we aren't going for an all-out build right now. Lower dollar but very competitive overall is our goal.

GeoffP

11-21-2011, 07:31 PM

I'm looking at an LS6 cam for my build - thinking it'll fill the bill of having a muscle car sound and a good torque/HP curve (not that my car needs a lot of torque with 4.11 gears).

BulldawgMusclecars

11-22-2011, 12:01 PM

Clark and Curt are heading up the teardown today, and have the steering collumn, brake booster/mc, and the rest of the A/C system out, along with the dash.

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Some of the rat's nest of wiring removed under the hood:

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Both doors stripped

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csouth

11-22-2011, 03:46 PM

Nice progress you guys are making there. Joe, I'm going to stop in on my way down I75 tomorrow.

Chris

BulldawgMusclecars

11-22-2011, 04:08 PM

Cool, Chris, we'll be here! More progress...the rearend is now out!

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More engine compartment disassembly. The stuff caked on the frame appears to be concrete! Someone apparently couldn't resist driving through a fresh sidewalk at some point.

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BulldawgMusclecars

11-22-2011, 04:11 PM

BTW, you A-body and Olds fans should watch out for our next, as-yet-unnamed project. Its a '65 Cutlass, on the way here later this week from Kileen, Texas! Plans include a 525hp LS3 crate, updated suspension, and a ton of other upgrades. This shop is rapidly turning into A and G body central!

SRD art

11-22-2011, 04:39 PM

Mmmmm, smells like home... ;) Congrats and hope your business continues to grow!

SparkyRnD

11-22-2011, 08:22 PM

Looks great, and I love the concrete part! The clutch master cylinder arrived as did the -3AN fittings I will be swapping to. I will bring those by after the holidays.

BulldawgMusclecars

11-23-2011, 08:19 AM

This was a nice find under the carpet...the build sheet!

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Looks like Sabre was built in Arlington, Texas.

billyrb

11-23-2011, 09:39 AM

looks like a nice build

BulldawgMusclecars

11-23-2011, 03:14 PM

Thanks! Today Curt stripped out the headliner, and I started welding up the holes for the side and top trim. Pics on Friday!

csouth

11-23-2011, 07:33 PM

Stopped by Bulldawg and talked with Joe for a good while today. He's a good guy with many projects in the fire. Keep your eyes posted ppl

BulldawgMusclecars

11-25-2011, 02:12 PM

Thanks, Chris, glad you could come by! The crew was mostly occupied with other projects today, but Curt got the T56 mocked up and we started the part that I had been dreading a bit...cutting the transmision tunnel. Its not that big a deal, but the dread comes from cutting perfect factory sheetmetal!
A T56 is a huge transmission, and the tranny tunnel in the Olds is unbelievably small. One would think any car that came with an optional TH400 would have plenty of tunnel clearance, but not in this case. BRP has complete instructions on where the cuts need to be made, to essentially "stretch" the tunnel to fit. A filler piece will be needed right in the center, and it'll take a little extra work in the shifter area, but nothing too difficult. I'll get some more pics as we start modifying the tunnel.

BulldawgMusclecars

11-27-2011, 03:32 PM

I had planned to take the entire weekend off (unheard of around here!), but decided to come in this afternoon and take care of a few things. Sundays can be the best time to get stuff done, with no interruptions. I welded up several trim holes, including the ones for the vinyl top trim and the decklid trim, and then cut out the rust damage on the passenger side quarter panel. I made a patch out of 16 gauge cold rolled steel (same gauge as factory, in this area), and began tacking it into place.

We should be receiving some parts tomorrow, so I'll have pics of those, along with the progress, then. Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving!

BulldawgMusclecars

11-28-2011, 02:40 PM

As expected, Fed Ex brought us an early Christmas today! Many hanks to Bret Voelkel and his crew at RideTech!
Sabre will be receiving RideTech's front and rear StrongArms, along with single adjustable front and rear CoilOvers, 2" drop spindles, front and rear MuscleBar sway bars, and billet Tie Rod Adjusters.

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The pictures don't do these parts justice...they look too good to put under a car! Its obvious that the people at RideTech really care about what they are doing, just by looking at the quality of the finishes, the welding, and the supplied hardware. Even the packaging is top notch! Everything was securely wrapped in black foam, so nothing could get scratched.

BulldawgMusclecars

11-28-2011, 03:58 PM

Sparky came by a little while ago with more goodies...from Comp Cams! This should really wake up the 6.0.

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SparkyRnD

11-28-2011, 04:32 PM

I've always been impressed with RideTech's quality, but lately I've had the chance to spend a good bit of time on the phone with them deciding what kit and components would be best for the car, the budget and my goals. I can't say enough about them, they will continue to get my business without a doubt.

We should have quite a few more goodies arriving over the next week or two, including the rear differential cover with girdle, wiring harness, headlights with built-in signals, exhaust components and more.

GeoffP

11-28-2011, 06:02 PM

Wow - Santa came early! What are the anticipated idle characteristics for that cam?

SparkyRnD

11-28-2011, 06:09 PM

bumpity bumpity thumpity thump

just kidding! It should have a nice sound to it, without being so bumpy that I have to change valve train. I told them that I wanted to use this mainly for going between the cones, and would most likely be in the 2000-5000 rpm. I also gave them the motor, trans, rear ratio and uses of the car, and the fact that we are getting rid of the vacuum operated components, and this is what cam they recommended.

GeoffP

11-28-2011, 06:13 PM

I should say also that I'M JEALOUS - my car won't be to this stage for months! Looking good though!!

SparkyRnD

11-28-2011, 06:17 PM

Thanks, I'm absolutely in love with this car and cannot wait to get behind the wheel.

BulldawgMusclecars

11-29-2011, 09:35 AM

Wow - Santa came early! What are the anticipated idle characteristics for that cam?

It should sound a little like the intro to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0XLKcMoXRE

As my buddy Jimmy used to say, a "hot for teacher" motor!

SparkyRnD

11-29-2011, 12:59 PM

I will have the aluminum gas tank (internal pump and baffles) knocked out this evening and can bring it by for mock up either tomorrow afternoon or Thursday.

BulldawgMusclecars

11-29-2011, 01:04 PM

Sounds good, Sparky! I know the A-body guys are going to love it. It should be much lighter than the stainless tanks on the market, and thanks to the difference in materials cost cheaper, too!

csouth

11-29-2011, 01:36 PM

I wish Christmas would come at my house like that...LOL Parts=Prorogess:woot:

BulldawgMusclecars

12-01-2011, 03:54 PM

The front suspension is now gone:

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Welding up trim holes

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SparkyRnD

12-01-2011, 05:36 PM

looking good! I should have a few more goodies arriving tomorrow, and I'll bring them by on monday when we mock up the rear end and gas tank

csouth

12-03-2011, 09:13 AM

Nice progress guys...

Drew2672

12-03-2011, 09:36 AM

Looking forward to seeing the tank myself.

BulldawgMusclecars

12-03-2011, 09:52 AM

Looking forward to seeing the tank myself.

If Sparky is ok with it, I'll post some pics later.

Rallye455

12-03-2011, 11:24 AM

Cool car. Cant wait to see it finished.

SparkyRnD

12-03-2011, 02:34 PM

Sure, go ahead and post. Right now it is a rough unit that will need some clean up, but since it is our initial prototype, it doesn't matter.

BulldawgMusclecars

12-03-2011, 02:49 PM

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Once we check fitment, this one will get DA sanded down to remove any scratches, and then probably a brushed finish.

Here is the new wiring harness from EZ-Wire:

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csouth

12-03-2011, 04:15 PM

Nice tank Sparky! I need one of those...lol

Drew2672

12-03-2011, 09:05 PM

Tank looks good so far. Thanks for the pics

GeoffP

12-04-2011, 05:57 AM

Nice tank! Who's EZ-Wire...never heard of them?

SparkyRnD

12-04-2011, 10:52 AM

Nice tank Sparky! I need one of those...lol
They will be available once we finish with Sabre. They will include an in-tank pump, baffles and a sending unit.

Tank looks good so far. Thanks for the pics
No problem, thanks for the compliments

Nice tank! Who's EZ-Wire...never heard of them?
They are a company I found online a while back, and several of my friends used them on their project cars. I liked them so I bought one for our (soon to be for sale) shop truck, a 1976 Ford F100. Worked well, is GM based and was $180 including shipping. So we bought one for Sabre, as our wiring was old, dry and brittle, and used glass fuses. Plus, the price was in line with our budget-minded theme (and it increases safety, which is of utmost importance with this build).

BulldawgMusclecars

12-04-2011, 01:02 PM

Even when the factory style wiring is in good shape, or has been replaced, I still prefer to use a wiring system like this. The electrical demands of a modern pro touring car are far beyond what the original manufacturers ever intended, plus original style wiring is messy! I make the wiring look as good as I possibly can, but still like to keep it out of sight, and you just can't do that with an original or repro style harness without cutting it up.

GeoffP

12-04-2011, 05:13 PM

Thanks for the info! I looked them up online and noticed they are prewired at the fuse box and you have to put the other ends on. Very nice for a custom install!

SparkyRnD

12-04-2011, 05:18 PM

Yes, and if you have a GM, the column harness is pretty much a plug in deal. Even on our shop truck (ford) it was very easy to install. Wires were also labeled every 5-6" all the way. We opt for the 18 fuse, 21 circuit style as it allows us future upgrades if we want.

SRD art

12-04-2011, 09:25 PM

Thanks for the wiring info. The tank looks fantastic!

SRD art

12-04-2011, 10:55 PM

Oh yeah, if you haven't heard there's a battle of the Cutlass' going on here. I challenged Chris and his "Delilah" to a soda pop for whoever finishes first. We're both looking at April-May as completion dates. There's a large local car show here 3rd week in May I REALLY want to have my car at so I can be done no later than then.

If I heard correctly, Joe's shooting for around that time too for Sabre. I formally extend that invitation to you as well, but instead of the Soda to the winner, I'll give away one of my T-shirts that I sell. You guys game?:box2:

SparkyRnD

12-05-2011, 07:02 AM

We're game. I happen to have a few RnD Fabrication shirts on my shelf.

BulldawgMusclecars

12-05-2011, 08:20 AM

SRD art

12-05-2011, 11:51 AM

Man that would be cool!!! Game on!

BulldawgMusclecars

12-05-2011, 01:12 PM

The FedEx guy just showed up with the RideTech StrongArm lower control arms, and the front springs!

SparkyRnD

12-05-2011, 01:41 PM

Great news! And, Rushforth just wrapped up the rendering too! I'll save and reduce it, and will post it in a little bit.

BulldawgMusclecars

12-05-2011, 04:09 PM

The renderings look awesome! Good work Jason!

SparkyRnD

12-06-2011, 02:30 PM

Here are the completed renderings, thanks again to Jason Rushforth!!!!

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deejai35

12-06-2011, 03:57 PM

That rendering is awesome. What color are you going with?

SparkyRnD

12-06-2011, 04:04 PM

we haven't nailed down the exact color codes yet, but there are a few browns and a few golds that we've narrowed it down to.

deejai35

12-06-2011, 07:42 PM

we haven't nailed down the exact color codes yet, but there are a few browns and a few golds that we've narrowed it down to.

Those are unique colors for a muscle car build, but fitting for an Olds.

csouth

12-07-2011, 06:29 AM

we haven't nailed down the exact color codes yet, but there are a few browns and a few golds that we've narrowed it down to.

Nice rendering... I was telling Joe when I stopped by that brown was a color recommended to me, but I didn't want to recover me seats since they're mint. Check out the Porsche Mahogany Metallic.

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ehummelman

12-07-2011, 11:58 AM

Hey Sparky, Infiniti has a nice brownish bronze color that would look great.
52184

SparkyRnD

12-07-2011, 12:03 PM

Thanks for the suggestions, will check them out in person. Most of the browns I've found so far are either too reddish or too greyish. I have a few more that I'm going to check out, and worst case scenario I will select from a color chart. We are going to do a test panel of the various ones we narrow down to that we can be sure. I have to see them in the sun, at night and also on an overcast day to be sure which one I like the best.

SRD art

12-07-2011, 06:38 PM

52206Lookin cool Sparky! I agree totally, brown is a killer color- in the right shade. I saw a nice brown sport ute the other day but when the sun hit it just right it looked too red. When I was young my parents bought a brown metallic 75 AMC Hornet. For some reason that color has stuck in my head. My parents also had a 76 Nova 4 door that was the first car I drove. It was a nice shade of Rootbeer Barrel candy brown. Funny, I've been looking closer at brown cars a lot more lately...

oldzzy

12-07-2011, 07:59 PM

Project and Rendering look great! To me the spoiler looks a little to small for such a big car. A factory type spoiler would look better IMO.

SparkyRnD

12-08-2011, 07:32 AM

We had thought about that, and I originally thought about a 442 hood before I bought this car, but in the end we wanted something different for this project. I think we nailed it!

BulldawgMusclecars

12-09-2011, 12:25 PM

3 boxes from Vintage Air showed up today...I'll try to get it unpacked, and get pics later!

csouth

12-09-2011, 12:36 PM

I think you guys nailed the spoiler. I'm going to do some version of a small spoiler myslef, but only for appearence not funtion.

BulldawgMusclecars

12-09-2011, 12:44 PM

I think you guys nailed the spoiler. I'm going to do some version of a small spoiler myslef, but only for appearence not funtion.

The design was all Rushforth and Sparky, but I have to say, I like it. A real 4-4-2 needs those elements...its part of the whole "look at me" thing with any of the high end musclecars. They are supposed to be a little bold and overstated. I mean, red fenderwells? Really? Lol.

This one is a little more subtle...like a padded sledgehammer to the temple!

BulldawgMusclecars

12-12-2011, 08:13 AM

More goodies came in today...accessory brackets from Kwik Performance!

BulldawgMusclecars

12-21-2011, 04:24 PM

Update time! First, a few pics of the Kwik Performance accessory brackets. I have used these on other projects, and they work great, are relatively inexpensive compared to other "new" alternatives, and look good. Plus, in our case, they allow the use of the truck style water pump and hub, but with a Corvette-style layout.

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Next up is the Vintage Air Gen IV kit, made specifically for the '70-'72 Cutlass. This is a new item...so new, in fact, that the new control panel wasn't available yet, so the great people at Vintage Air converted our stock one! We have converted Chevelle-based kits for use on BOP cars in the past, but Vintage will make this one easy on us.

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The stuff in the bag is from our original control panel, which Vintage Air sent back to us. Notice the nice braided covering on the wiring; this is straight out of the box! We must use the same supplier on wire loom, since I use the exact same stuff in my shop.

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The Sanden compressor and hose kit

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Condensor, drier, and lines. The condensor came with nice custom brackets for mounting in the stock location.

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Vent hose and a few other misc kit items

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The evaporator unit itself...still wrapped up for protection, since it won't be permanently installed til the car is painted

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They even sent a banner, which Sparky and I will probably be fighting over!

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gardnerme

12-21-2011, 06:55 PM

Wow! And didn't think Santa was due for another three days!

SparkyRnD

12-21-2011, 07:10 PM

Update time! First, a few pics of the Kwik Performance accessory brackets...

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That pump is also one of their new offerings, which will be an upgrade from the LQ4 pump. Should help us out in the turns. Sabre is the test bed for that pump, so we'll be sure to beat on it!

They even sent a banner, which Sparky and I will probably be fighting over!

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Yes, we will have to have a discussion about that! :-)

Wow! And didn't think Santa was due for another three days!
Santa has been busy delivering to BullDawg for the last couple of months!

gardnerme

12-21-2011, 07:53 PM

Santa has been busy delivering to BullDawg for the last couple of months!

Yes - I have been watching all that!

garys 68

12-22-2011, 05:24 AM

You're giving me flashbacks to last year. I finished my LSx 72 Cutlass last spring.
I used the same wire harness, Kwik bracket, but had to mod a universal Classic Air since no one offered a direct fit.
Looking forward to seeing your progress.

SparkyRnD

12-22-2011, 09:48 AM

Thanks, we're having a great time getting all the parts gathered and working on it. I hope to lend a hand in BullDawg's shop in the next few weeks. I just ordered the stainless bolt kit for the engine and the ARP 12pt head studs, so now we have everything we need to get the motor apart and back together with the new cam and parts. I'm also sending out our harness and ECM to have them modified, and we'll have them back after the new year.

SRD art

12-22-2011, 10:51 AM

Niiiiiice!!

GeoffP

12-22-2011, 02:32 PM

Wish I'd known you were going to send it out - could've saved you some $$$ by showing you what to do to do it yourself... Harnesses are easier than a lot of people realize.

BulldawgMusclecars

12-22-2011, 03:18 PM

Wish I'd known you were going to send it out - could've saved you some $$$ by showing you what to do to do it yourself... Harnesses are easier than a lot of people realize.

We considered it, but with the time constraints its for the best in this case. Thanks though!

Mr Nick

12-22-2011, 03:54 PM

Very nice project, I look forward to seeing the 65 as well.

Although, I do wish you kept it Oldsmobile powered and do an EFI conversion, possibly even DIS.

SparkyRnD

12-22-2011, 07:52 PM

I am sending it to Jim at Jim's Performance. He does a great job stripping out what isn't needed, labeling every single wire, and putting in relays and ports that I do need. I could to it myself, but he's a known producer and does great work. His fee is well worth what he does, and I don't have to hassle with wiring (and that is worth a lot more than he charges!). He's also modifying the PCM. Both will be done for $550, and it'll be right the first time.

GeoffP

12-23-2011, 07:05 AM

That's cool - I'd do the same if I had the $$$.

BulldawgMusclecars

12-26-2011, 02:03 PM

The transmission tunnel is almost done! According to BRP, the tunnel can just be stretched a bit, by cutting it down the middle and adding a piece, but we went a different route and are fabbing up a whole new tunnel. Pics tomorrow!

gardnerme

12-27-2011, 04:23 PM

I realize today isn't quite over yet, but some of us are eagerly awaiting promised pictures!

HectorM52

12-27-2011, 08:23 PM

I agree, looking forward to pics!

SparkyRnD

12-28-2011, 04:39 PM

me too!

BulldawgMusclecars

12-28-2011, 04:52 PM

Sorry guys!!! Things have been unbelievably busy lately, especially for this time of year. The tunnel is in, but not fully welded at this point. Obviously, we still need to cut a hole for the shifter!

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SparkyRnD

12-28-2011, 05:05 PM

The tunnel looks good, nice shape. I also like that we should be able to use a stock carpet kit over it.

I shipped off the harness and ECM this evening at UPS, and they should have it by Friday. We should have it back within a week or two, so two more items that can be checked off the list.

BulldawgMusclecars

12-28-2011, 05:16 PM

:woot:
The tunnel looks good, nice shape. I also like that we should be able to use a stock carpet kit over it.

I shipped off the harness and ECM this evening at UPS, and they should have it by Friday. We should have it back within a week or two, so two more items that can be checked off the list.

Jeremy bent it using our latest, high tech piece of metal working equipment:

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At last, we get some usage out of the handicap rail!

SparkyRnD

12-28-2011, 05:18 PM

I will be sure to properly sanitize the tunnel next time I am by the shop

BulldawgMusclecars

12-28-2011, 05:22 PM

It worked pretty well for the gradual bends we needed, but we actually have a real metal brake on order...along with a bead roller and a few other misc. items.

GeoffP

12-28-2011, 05:53 PM

The tunnel looks good! Good work using the "tools" available to you!! :)

BulldawgMusclecars

12-28-2011, 06:51 PM

Thanks! We all wondered why Jeremy kept taking a piece of sheet metal to the restroom.

gardnerme

12-28-2011, 09:04 PM

Does the Comp Cams sticker make the toilet faster or is it not an import model?

BulldawgMusclecars

12-29-2011, 07:16 AM

Does the Comp Cams sticker make the toilet faster or is it not an import model?

It gives the toilet the lift and duration it needs for real performance!

gardnerme

12-29-2011, 08:26 AM

Sounds like a fun ride! Is it available for test drives during your Saturday meet and greets?

BulldawgMusclecars

12-29-2011, 08:36 AM

Sounds like a fun ride! Is it available for test drives during your Saturday meet and greets?

Yes it is! We are serving coffee after all...

SRD art

12-29-2011, 09:09 AM

It gives the toilet the lift and duration it needs for real performance!

Buwhahahahah! LMBO!

Way to go Jeremy! Congrats on the new tools Joe. They will definitely come in handy. If you'll be bending a lot of metal in the future not a bad idea to go to a scrap yard and get two or three 2' lengths of pipe in varying sizes, maybe an 8", 6", and 3". Build a stand for it or weld a 6" long 1" square tube to it lengthwise so you can put it in a vise and you're good to go, instant tooling. If you have the budget a planishing hammer is an amazing tool for shaping and straightening too. New tools is a good thing, wuh wuh wuh...

BulldawgMusclecars

12-29-2011, 09:54 AM

Buwhahahahah! LMBO!

Way to go Jeremy! Congrats on the new tools Joe. They will definitely come in handy. If you'll be bending a lot of metal in the future not a bad idea to go to a scrap yard and get two or three 2' lengths of pipe in varying sizes, maybe an 8", 6", and 3". Build a stand for it or weld a 6" long 1" square tube to it lengthwise so you can put it in a vise and you're good to go, instant tooling. If you have the budget a planishing hammer is an amazing tool for shaping and straightening too. New tools is a good thing, wuh wuh wuh...

Good advice, I often find myself looking for the perfect object to bend a piece of metal around. A planishing hammer, English wheel, and a dozen or so other items are on my list for purchase in the near future.

Most of our projects to this point have been done to stock specs 9as far as metalwork goes), and on vehicles like Camaros and Mustangs that have every piece of sheetmetal available. Now, we're doing more custom stuff (finally!), and I can justify the cost of the equiment. I rarely needed any custom bent sheetmetal, and when I did, I used "old school" methods to achieve the same results, or had an outside shop do the bending, without incurring a lot of expense. Since we're getting bigger projects, and going a bit further with them, time is even more critical, and we're doing everything in-house that we possible can. You'll see some of the new tools in action on this project, as well as Lonestar and others in the works. Some are being custom fabricated by a good friend, and take a little longer since its a side thing for him. But, thats ok, since he's building things to my exact specs.

Its very easy to go out and buy every piece of equipment ahead of time, but my rule now, as when I was just working on my own cars, is to buy tools as I need them. I know of too many shops, both custom shops like mine and general repair shops, that have gone into massive amounts of debt to buy the latest equipment, and find themselves in a bind when things slow down. Everything my shop does now is done with cash. Keep in mind, my shop has only been in existance for a little over two years as a full time effort, and I am now almost 14 months into a "real" shop.

SRD art

12-30-2011, 09:55 AM

That's a very smart way to do things. I like your work and the way you're launching your business. I think we'll continue to see some big things rolling out of the Bulldawg shop doors in the future. Keep it up!

BulldawgMusclecars

01-01-2012, 02:03 PM

We're running a little behind, but we have several goals for the week. First, we will be setting up the control arm brackets on the new reared housing (more on that later), and mocking up the RideTech suspension so we can measure for the new Rushforth wheels. We'll also mock up the new steering box and Hydroboost, pull the engine and trans, and finish weld the trans tunnel and possibly the marker lights. By the end of the week, I hope to be installing the new Comp Cams goodies, and getting started on the engine and transmission detailing.

SparkyRnD

01-01-2012, 08:20 PM

At this time of year, it is to be expected that there will be delays.

SRD art

01-02-2012, 11:46 AM

Sounds interesting, looking forward to hearing more.

SparkyRnD

01-03-2012, 07:01 PM

edited

SparkyRnD

01-04-2012, 08:37 PM

the polished LS stainless steel bolt kit finally arrived, and we are still waiting on the ARP head stud kit (found out after ordering for the second time that ARP has them on back order, and they won't ship until 1/9/12). Hopefully though we will have them 2-3 days later and can start the cam swap and get the motor ready for clean up. Harness and ECM should also be back late next week, possible early the following.

BulldawgMusclecars

01-05-2012, 03:39 PM

Where did the marker light go?

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Jeremy fitting a patch panel for the quarter.

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Vinyl top trim holes filled

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csouth

01-05-2012, 04:01 PM

Nice progress you guys are making down there. I can't wait to get back on my project. Sucks not having a big garage:banghead:

SparkyRnD

01-05-2012, 04:01 PM

I've seen several other cars Jeremy worked on

Scruffer

01-08-2012, 01:31 PM

I joined this forum after stumbling upon this build from a google search. I recently aquired a 72 Cutlass S project that my father has had "under progress" for 20 years. I plan to finish it, and I've been doing research in going the pro-touring route with the build. I am very excited to see how the RideTech kit works out, same setup I was thinking about!

Car is looking excellent, and I love the direction its going! Very similar to what I had invisioned as far as a parts list goes (but I'm using my 455). I will be subscribed and waiting on more progress! I love seeing badass Olds A bodies!

SparkyRnD

01-08-2012, 08:05 PM

Hopefully we will have the suspension mocked up very soon and will post pictures. We have to measure for wheels, as there is a 6 week lead time, and that already puts us at the end of February. Our goal is to have it on the road by the first week or two of March so we can get some seat time and start tweaking things and sorting out any potential problems. The last thing we want to do is have our first track day be the day we sort out the bugs. But having said all of that, I don't foresee any problems with the suspension, as RideTech spends a LOT of time in research and development, and puts together a great kit. I think more of the issues will be little things, and my (lack of) race experience.

BulldawgMusclecars

01-09-2012, 08:43 AM

The engine and trans are back out, and the front suspension is about to go in for a mockup. The disc brake brackets from KORE3 should be here on Wednesday, so we can get started on the brake setup, too. The Z51 caliper abutments (from Jeff Tate at Day's Chevrolet) should be here around the same time.

SparkyRnD

01-10-2012, 08:46 PM

Got an update on the ARP head studs, looks like they are delayed again (3rd time now). So rather than ship yesterday, they are 'set to ship' by Friday.

GeoffP

01-11-2012, 07:16 PM

That stinks - I'm curious why not use ARP bolts or OE TTY bolts vs ARP studs? Are you running excessively high compression or have intentions of boosting the engine later?

SparkyRnD

01-11-2012, 08:08 PM

I like the studs, but the main reasons for using them is that this motor has some miles, I'm going to beat on it at the track, and I don't know what our plans will be down the road. Since we have to be in the motor for a few other things (cam swap), might as well change them now while it's convenient and we have easy access.

BulldawgMusclecars

01-19-2012, 06:34 PM

Today we did some of the planning for the rear end setup, but I'm keeping that under wraps until we have everything done...which hopefully will be by the end of this weekend. Suffice to say, it will be very strong and budget-friendly! I also started getting out the RideTech suspension for tomorrow morning's mockup. Pics tomorrow!

GeoffP

01-19-2012, 07:48 PM

Makes sense Sparky - I've been eyeing a set of foreign made LSx head studs for $69.00 plus shipping on eBay. I'm still undecided if I want to try them since OE replacement head bolts will probably satisfy my needs. I'd love to use ARP studs but my wallet isn't going to allow it. I'm ready to see some more pics of your build!

billyrb

01-20-2012, 05:53 AM

wrong location

SparkyRnD

01-20-2012, 05:55 AM

I would personally skip the foreign stuff, as replacing head studs is not something I would want to do multiple times, nor take a chance on using inferior materials that are out of spec. If you can't swing the ARP's, go with OE replacements. I tend to look at it like this: if you can't afford certain price levels on a build, find non-critical parts to save money on (dress up parts, radio, speakers, and things like that). Put the money into safety items like brakes, tires, seat belts, and put money into critical driveline and suspension parts as those are crucial to the vehicle being safe, and staying on the road.

And I completely understand the budget thing, as I have to do that with every build I've had for the last few dozen years. But having a spreadsheet for each and every item has helped me see where my money goes, and where it still needs to go. Plus, being realistic with the budget helps me account for every penny and not end up in a hole where I can't afford to finish and have to give up. Putting in things like nuts, bolts, washers, oil, coolant, belts and miscellaneous items really helps ensure the budget is true and not just the big-ticket items.

Also, when you are going to buy a part (and you may already be doing this), find the part number of what you really want (say the ARP studs) and go to google and enter that p/n. Then click on shipping, and sort by lowest price first. Many times you can find that what you really want is closer to your budget than you thought. Since we were on a deadline, and everyone was out when I needed them, I ended up spending about $70 more for the bolts than I had originally budgeted. But if you can afford to wait, you can usually get what you want for a very reasonable price.

Oh, and I agree on the pics. We will be getting some updates going very soon.

BulldawgMusclecars

01-20-2012, 09:01 AM

We're a little behind right now, but well get caught up this weekend. I'm out picking up steel now for the reared setup ( more on that later), and once the jig is built we'll be able to accurately locate all the mounting points. I'm building it a little overkill, but only so I can do more later. I'm also planning to start on the engine later today.

SparkyRnD

01-20-2012, 09:36 AM

I'll be dropping off the ARP studs later today if I can get out of the shop long enough.

BulldawgMusclecars

01-20-2012, 10:11 AM

I'll be dropping off the ARP studs later today if I can get out of the shop long enough.

Cool, if not I'll be here tomorrow. We'll need some head gaskets too...not sure if you have those yet.

SRD art

01-20-2012, 01:05 PM

That's great advice Sparky. I'm down to the last of my budget and having to really watch what I spend it on. Recently I did the matrix thing too typing in the computer what I'm spending $ on. I set it up on 5 different spread sheets- Interior, exterior, engine, suspension, and tools/ supplies, and have my budget divided up accordingly. It's really helping on this build.

I also took your advice about the google search when you mentioned it about the camera I was looking at. I've used it tons since then as I shop for all the remaining parts I need. Thanks for sharing your insight!

csouth

01-20-2012, 01:32 PM

Making nice progress over there Joe. You know I'll be expecting a ride if this thing makes it to Power Tour.....:fingersx:

BulldawgMusclecars

01-20-2012, 03:59 PM

Making nice progress over the Joe. You know I'll be expecting a Ride if this thing makes it to Powere Tour.....:fingersx:

Chris...they are ALL making it to Power Tour, if it kills me!

SparkyRnD

01-20-2012, 05:20 PM

That's great advice Sparky. ...................Thanks for sharing your insight!

Thanks, and I just hope it can help other people keep their projects in budget and done in a reasonable time. Nothing worse than a project stuck mid-way through a build and not being used or enjoyed.

Chris...they are ALL making it to Power Tour, if it kills me!

And it very well might kill you! It will be a great adventure should we all make it with our cars to the Power Tour, and long haul the whole thing

csouth

01-20-2012, 06:15 PM

Chris...they are ALL making it to Power Tour, if it kills me!

Well I guess I'll be seeing you guys at the Proving Grounds...Its about 40mi from my house.

SRD art

01-21-2012, 09:19 AM

Thanks, and I just hope it can help other people keep their projects in budget and done in a reasonable time. Nothing worse than a project stuck mid-way through a build and not being used or enjoyed.

Lol! Lack of organization is exactly why I have a lifted Suburban and 2 Novas half done in the Garage. So aside from the skills I'm developing on this build I'm learning better project management too.

I'd like to make the Power Tour too, but it's kindo of bad timing for me. I'm playing it by ear but I sure would love and would be honored (not trying to be cheesy) to cruise along side the cool rides you guys will have.

SShep71

01-24-2012, 03:40 PM

Where can I get the motor mounts from? I dont need the crossmember I have to much custom stuff done to the frame I just need the mounts Like you used.

Here are a few pics of the engine, a 6.0 litre LQ4 from an '03 Chevy van. You can tell this isn't a passenger car engine, since it has a mechanical fan, "tall" accessory brackets, and the tall truck-style intake. Plus, it has an iron block. In this pic, I have just removed the intake, and you can see all the accumulated nastiness underneath. A shop vac and a wire brush made quick work of it, though.

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The coolant tubes are pretty rusty, too...that'll need to be replaced.

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The fan, which will be replaced with dual electrics, from RnD Fabrication, of course.

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The original truck-style oil pan.

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And removed...

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The old windage tray and pickup:

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The new...

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GMPP Musclecar Pan Kit Installed (minus the dipstick and tube; this is just mockup)

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If you're using a T56 with an engine that had an auto, don't forget the pilot bearing:

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Clutch assembly installed

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BRP/Musclerods Motor Mount installed

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BulldawgMusclecars

01-24-2012, 03:58 PM

Where can I get the motor mounts from? I dont need the crossmember I have to much custom stuff done to the frame I just need the mounts Like you used.

Call BRP/Musclerods at (770) 751-0786; ask for Jeff.

BulldawgMusclecars

01-24-2012, 04:26 PM

Curt got the RideTech StrongArms, coil overs, and sway bar mocked up today

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HectorM52

01-24-2012, 04:33 PM

How do you like those AirRide end links? I've had those on my list for YEARS. With the odd angles between my LCA's and my sway bar I've always thought those would be perfect. PLUS, less deflection!!

SRD art

01-24-2012, 04:35 PM

What a contrast. Looking forward to seeing the frame as purdy as the parts! Those motor mounts are trick!

BulldawgMusclecars

01-24-2012, 04:54 PM

How do you like those AirRide end links? I've had those on my list for YEARS. With the odd angles between my LCA's and my sway bar I've always thought those would be perfect. PLUS, less deflection!!

These are the first we have installed, but I'm sure the performance will be great. RideTech really knows their stuff!

BulldawgMusclecars

01-24-2012, 04:58 PM

What a contrast. Looking forward to seeing the frame as purdy as the parts! Those motor mounts are trick!

Me too. Once we get the rear set up (this week), and measure for the wheels, we'll seperate the body and frame and send the frame out for powdercoating. I should be able to get the quantity discount with this load...I have 4 frames, a set of upper and lower control arms, and a bunch of other stuff to send out!

BTW, did you get my message about the wagon I found at Pull-A-Part? I wasn't sure what you might need, but I did grab the rally dash cluster out of it, as well as the dash speaker grilles if you need them. If not, I can find a home for them. I'm going back in a couple of days if you think of anything.

HectorM52

01-24-2012, 05:05 PM

These are the first we have installed, but I'm sure the performance will be great. RideTech really knows their stuff!

But they went on easy enough?

SparkyRnD

01-24-2012, 05:11 PM

All I can say is WOW! That RideTech set-up looks amazing under there, and I cannot WAIT to drive (or should I say ABUSE) Sabre!

BulldawgMusclecars

01-24-2012, 05:29 PM

But they went on easy enough?

The whole install was maybe a couple of hours (the entire front suspension), so yes.

SShep71

01-25-2012, 02:54 PM

Joe I called that number a few times and never got an answer.

BulldawgMusclecars

01-25-2012, 03:26 PM

Pm me your number, and I'll have Jeff call you.

BulldawgMusclecars

01-26-2012, 12:44 PM

Making some progress today. I started tearing into the 6.0 for the cam swap. The oil pan, timing cover, and oil pump (mounts to the front around the crank hub) have been removed at this point.

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The cam card.

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I had the hubs turned down today to fit the rotors (drum brake hubs left over from a '67 Camaro disc swap), and Curt got the brakes bolted up with the new KORE3 brackets, GM abutments, and a new C6 J52 (Z51) brake rotor and remanufactured C5 Corvette caliper, both from our local O'Reilly Auto Parts. This is just a mockup, so note the pads aren't installed.

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BulldawgMusclecars

01-26-2012, 04:51 PM

I got about half the valve springs, retainers, locks and seals changed out, and I'll get the rest knocked out in the morning, and install the new lifters and re-seal the heads. While they're off, I'll get the heads cleaned up and looking good, and get the block cleaned up and primed. Once we get the exterior color codes nailed down, I'll paint the block to match and start reassembly.

GeoffP

01-26-2012, 05:36 PM

BulldawgMusclecars

01-26-2012, 05:40 PM

Hey Joe - since you're in the middle of doing it I thought I would ask: How necessary do you think it is to check the installed height on the valve springs when you change them on LS engines? It's really looking good!

I would do it, just because it doesn't add that much time to the build, and I have the Comp height checker in my tool box. That said, the first couple I did a long time ago I didn't, and never had an issue. One of them is a car you probably remember...Mike Brown's pewter WS6.

GeoffP

01-26-2012, 06:18 PM

Yep, I remember that one. I guess I'll have to add that to my toolbox when the time comes (which isn't too far from now I hope!).

SparkyRnD

01-26-2012, 07:13 PM

the checker pushrods are cheap insurance, especially at $20 or so for a pair. Many times they will work without checking, but if you've gone to this much trouble, the extra step is worth going through.

Joe, I found a set of interior door panels and bought them for $120 shipped. I have the guy's contact information, as he has a warehouse full of Oldsmobile parts that he's been collecting for a long long time. He has all sorts of interior, body, chassis and other parts, in case you need some for Lonestar

BulldawgMusclecars

01-26-2012, 07:45 PM

I was talking about a spring height micrometer, not the adjustable pushrods to check geometry. They are a good idea also, though issues are more obvious with pushrods length. a source for body parts for Lonestar would be great, thanks!

BulldawgMusclecars

01-27-2012, 05:15 PM

Another long day, and I didn't get to the engine til everyone else had left. I cranked up the Metallica and finished out the valvesprings, and then pulled the heads and installed the new Comp lifters. Til tomorrow...

SparkyRnD

01-28-2012, 09:00 AM

Ok, so that is what you were doing late last night when I drove by.

BulldawgMusclecars

01-28-2012, 09:13 AM

Yep ,its the best time to work I have found. No interrruptions, and I can just crank up the music and get it knocked out.

gator1505

01-28-2012, 04:20 PM

This is a great build. I've had a few A-body Cutlasses and 442's through the years and some G-body's as well. The 71-72 are by far my favorite. Can't wait to see the end product. I have a 72 Cutlass S that will get the PT treatment sometime soon. On another note in the mid 80's Olds had a real sharp metallic brown I had an 84 Cutlass Supreme with that color on it

SparkyRnD

01-29-2012, 07:35 AM

Thanks. The 70-72 is my favorite as well. Post up a build thread on your 72, we would love to see it!

I also heard from a friend that some show on Spike is now building a Cutlass. Looks like we're setting a new trend!

BulldawgMusclecars

01-29-2012, 07:02 PM

That would be MuscleCar. It's a '69 I believe.

SparkyRnD

02-01-2012, 07:50 PM

I like the tails of the 68 and 69 models, but not the dashboards or the lack of flared rear fenders

SparkyRnD

02-02-2012, 06:55 AM

Looks like our shift knob for the T56 transmission in Project Sabre is ready!

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

BulldawgMusclecars

02-02-2012, 07:07 AM

Nice!!!

gator1505

02-02-2012, 09:11 AM

Nice!!!

chunger

02-02-2012, 01:52 PM

Looks like our shift knob for the T56 transmission in Project Sabre is ready!

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

No Reverse?

Haha, just kidding. Looks great!

SparkyRnD

02-02-2012, 04:38 PM

who needs reverse! Just keep spinning around until you are pointing the way you want!

BulldawgMusclecars

02-02-2012, 04:59 PM

Sparks are flying in the shop tonight!

SparkyRnD

02-02-2012, 05:07 PM

did you leave that hole open in the upper passenger firewall for the Vintage kit? Oh yeah, and PICS!!!!!

BulldawgMusclecars

02-02-2012, 05:15 PM

did you leave that hole open in the upper passenger firewall for the Vintage kit? Oh yeah, and PICS!!!!!

We're not working on that part yet; its the other project we discussed earlier today. Jeff says hi BTW.

SparkyRnD

02-02-2012, 06:20 PM

I'm speechless ;)

gardnerme

02-02-2012, 06:53 PM

Ok, you two. I thought the point of forum threads like this is to actually share progress on project vehicles; not to withhold information and say speechless.

BulldawgMusclecars

02-02-2012, 07:03 PM

You'll see tomorrow, Mike! I don't want to say anything til it's done.

SparkyRnD

02-02-2012, 07:33 PM

looter

02-03-2012, 03:42 PM

I'm building a 71 Monte Carlo, so I'm watching this thread pretty closely.
I'm being really careful to build the car once and not accumulate several versions of the same parts..(made that mistake enough times in the past.)

HectorM52

02-03-2012, 07:24 PM

I think "suspense" runs out after 24 hours.

<tapping foot, patiently>

BulldawgMusclecars

02-04-2012, 08:30 AM

I think "suspense" runs out after 24 hours.

<tapping foot, patiently>

We may have it finished up today...if so, we'll let you know!

deejai35

02-04-2012, 03:16 PM

it's an idea I came up with a while back that anyone with a welder and some fabrication skills could possibly do, and hopefully Joe can make it repeatable for anyone else that wants it but can't weld or fab. It is something every car needs, nearly everyone can use, and will save TONS of money on a build. Ok, so maybe it's not so infomercial-like, but it really is something unique.
It's available now for the low price of $19.99. But wait, there's more. We're even throwing in a second item. Just pay separate processing and handling.

Sounds like you're up to something good.

BulldawgMusclecars

02-04-2012, 04:03 PM

Sparky, I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to go ahead and let the cat out of the bag, before someone assumes we fitted your car with a flux capacitor or something. My PM box has been blowing up, and I don't want anyone to be let down here.

As most of you who are building lots of power into your cars know...especially the A-body guys...the rearends that came in most of these cars won't take a lot of abuse (especially if you're running a manual transmission), and 12 bolts aren't exactly growing on trees. G-body guys have the same issue, only its worse...the 7.5 axles are junk, and the 8.5 axles are relatively rare, and pricey. So, most of you will reluctantly call up your favorite drivetrain vendor, and order a 9", 12 bolt, or Dana 60 that will bolt in your car. Thats pretty much the only choice for most people, right? $2000+ later, you have a bulletproof axle...or at least more bulletproof than you had before.

With all the higher powered vehicles being built today by the Big 3, one would think there would be an easy option for adapting a rear to our cars, but there isn't. The new Camaro and Challenger/Charger both have IRS, and only the Mustang still has a live axle...the 8.8, which has proven itself as a strong piece, but it won't fit correctly in an A or G body (I refer to them both because they have a similar rear suspension, with different angles on the uppers), and it has a cast center section that isn't really suitable for welding the upper brackets. Plus, the newer ones are 3-link, and require more fabrication than the average person is going to want to go through.

Sparky and I discussed this at length, since spending $3500 on a cutom built 9" with disc brakes wasn't an option here. So, we took a rear that is very popular with the offroad community, as well as S10 guys, street rodders, and others, and worked out a way to get it in the car. If you haven't guessed already, we're using the common Ford Explorer 8.8 rear. Salvage yards are full of them, and they come with 3" axles tubes for strength, 31 spline axles, Traction-Lok differentials, and typically a good peformance gear ratio (ours has 4.10s). Plus, they have disc brakes that are more than adequate for most applications. To top it off, they are CHEAP...a local salvage yard delivered a complete unit to us for less than $150!

But wait a minute...the Explorer has leaf springs! Yes, it does. So, we cut off the leaf spring mounts, and started working on a plan to get it into the car. Now this part isn't rocket science, but it needs to be done correctly. We started by cutting off the leaf spring pads and grinding the axle tubes smooth, and removing the large ABS sensor boss from the center section. Welding on the LCA brackets from the original rear isn't a big deal, but what about the cast center? I wouldn't trust a welded on upper control arm bracket, personally. So, we're building a truss that will not only add strength by tying the axle tubes together, it will also give a surface for attaching the upper control arm mounts. Thats all well and good, but how does that benefit you guys who don't want to go through all this?

Because we're going to make it repeatable. We built a housing jig off of Sparky's original rear, and it will allow us to take any rear with 3" axle tubes and add the proper brackets to make it a bolt-in for your A-body (G-body coming soon!). So, we'll be able to do this much more easily the next time...and the next....and the next. Want your rear a little narrower, or with different housing ends for your aftermarket brakes? Different gears or differential? Aftermarket axles? We'll have all that available as options. Pricing is yet to be determined, and it will be a month or so before we're ready for production, but rest assured it will be the best bang for the buck you'll find for a solid rearend.

Zanie

02-04-2012, 10:51 PM

What did you do about the 2-1/4 pinion offset to the right with the explorer rear end?

SShep71

02-05-2012, 08:47 AM

What power capabilities are expected from this rear?

SRD art

02-05-2012, 09:13 AM

When I first started planning my g-body project I planned on using a disc 8.8 converting to a long arm suspension for an "easy" install. The 8.8 is clearly a great option, really its a no brainer. Unfortunately I found very little performance info from anyone using the long arm outside of the marketing from the main company that sells/ installs this set up. Besides, if you bought their kit you'd be around the same cost as a bolt in aftermarket rear. I even found all the parts through Nascar suppliers to do it myself but it was still spendy and sketchy of whether it would do what I wanted. I decided to go ahead and go for the 9" do it yourself option which is far from a bolt in. Luckily I have a well equipped shop to work in otherwise being on a budget most likely the factory 7.5" would have stayed in there for a while. I'm excited to see someone with similar thinking make it into a bolt in style kit. What a tremendous product this will be come. Looking forward to more on this!