Project Sabre, a 1971 Cutlass Pro-Touring car for the average Joe

[BulldawgMusclecars]

When I first started planning my g-body project I planned on using a disc 8.8 converting to a long arm suspension for an "easy" install. The 8.8 is clearly a great option, really its a no brainer. Unfortunately I found very little performance info from anyone using the long arm outside of the marketing from the main company that sells/ installs this set up. Besides, if you bought their kit you'd be around the same cost as a bolt in aftermarket rear. I even found all the parts through Nascar suppliers to do it myself but it was still spendy and sketchy of whether it would do what I wanted. I decided to go ahead and go for the 9" do it yourself option which is far from a bolt in. Luckily I have a well equipped shop to work in otherwise being on a budget most likely the factory 7.5" would have stayed in there for a while. I'm excited to see someone with similar thinking make it into a bolt in style kit. What a tremendous product this will be come. Looking forward to more on this!

I looked at the other stuff being marketed, and has been marketed, for putting non-original rears (whether earlier 10 or 12 bolts , or 8.8s) in the G-bodies, and frankly didn't like any of it. Most of us already have, or already know whose suspension parts we want to use, and don't want to have to change that stuff. The rear needs to be a total bolt-in, period, with no other changes including changes in geometry that may not be desirable. That is what we are going to do, with both the 8.8, and later, a fabricated-style 9". Realistically, with the existing jig we could use any rear with a 3" axle tube.

[BulldawgMusclecars]

Good question, I didn't know about that.

Isn't the A body rear about 2" wider than a g-body? How about width measurements of the 8.8 compared to the two chassis' rears?

I don't think its quite that much, but I'll measure both and post up measurements. A Mustang Housing may work better for the G-body, if you're trying to keep from narrowing it, but we'll have the capability to narrow to any width needed (and any housing end) so that will be less of an issue. From a cost and availability standpoint, the Explorer housing...even if it needs narrowing...may still be more cost effective.

[SparkyRnD]

.....It can always be strengthened with aftermarket girdles.......

And we already purchased an aftermarket cover with an integral girdle and cap studs.

[SRD art]

I don't think its quite that much, but I'll measure both and post up measurements. A Mustang Housing may work better for the G-body, if you're trying to keep from narrowing it, but we'll have the capability to narrow to any width needed (and any housing end) so that will be less of an issue. From a cost and availability standpoint, the Explorer housing...even if it needs narrowing...may still be more cost effective.

Man that sounds cool. Having this available will be a great addition to the G-body (and a-body) market.

[Zanie]

The stock length of the explorer rear is 59.5. So what I've seen guys with tri-chevys do is:
shorten the drivers side axle tube 3 inches and use another passenger side axle (pick up an extra axle at the junkyard, when you buy your complete explorer rear). Then you end up with a 56.5 wide rear end and only a 3/4 inch pinion offest to the left (instead of 2-1/4 to the right).

[BulldawgMusclecars]

Ok, its been a while since I did the initial measurements, so I just checked all of them. On the original 8.2 BOP 10 bolt, the width (all width measurements are at the wheel mounting surface) is 61", with a pinion offset of 1". The Explorer rear is 59.5", with a 2.25" offset. So, we're only talking a 1.25 inch offset difference, which isn't enough to make a difference in the vehicles in question.

I haven't taken measurements on a G-body axle yet, but on those I feel sure we'll either have to narrow the Explorer housing, or possibly use a Mustang housing.

[gardnerme]

What are you going to do about all of the idiots that say "look - some (other) idiot put a darn Ferd axle under that car!"?

Yes - I know you have "heard" that before. :-)

[SparkyRnD]

I'd be willing to bet that almost all of the people looking at or under the car won't know what axle they are looking at. And, I doubt that would be the one thing they would pick up on. If nothing else, I'll just point to YAC and point out it has some highfalutin' boxy axle to draw their attention away from the 8.8 :P

[BulldawgMusclecars]

We could always JB Weld a W27 cover on it to give the purists fits!

[sokoloka]

Any picture updates? I'm excited to see progress on this beast.

[BulldawgMusclecars]

Here are a few of the firewall in progress:

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[GeoffP]

Smooooth!! :)

[SparkyRnD]

Looking great, Joe! For those that haven't seen it before, the opening on the far passenger side is usually for the fresh-air vents. This is now going to be where the Vintage Air kit is routed, so that all lines are hidden under the fender.

[BulldawgMusclecars]

Jeremy is finishing up the firewall this morning. Late yesterday, he decided to modify the fender mounting points on the firewall, since they looked completely different from side to side. Not anymore! Pics in a little while!

[BulldawgMusclecars]

Here are the pics of the firewall; the welds are being ground right now.

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Oh, and the jig we are building to set up the 8.8 is almost finished!

[SparkyRnD]

Jeremy did some great metal work on that firewall and the fender mount on the passenger side! Dropped by a little while ago to check out the progress, and yet again I am impressed with the quality of work being done.

[gardnerme]

Jeremy is finishing up the firewall this morning. Late yesterday, he decided to modify the fender mounting points on the firewall, since they looked completely different from side to side. Not anymore! Pics in a little while!

That dang Jeremy - always taking initiative and stuff!

[BulldawgMusclecars]

That dang Jeremy - always taking initiative and stuff!

He brought it to my attention that they weren't shaped the same, and it REALLY bothered him...so I said sure, fix it! Most people will never notice it, but its just one of those things that I can't imagine leaving the way it was.

[atam]

That attention to detail is why I picked yall!!!

[BulldawgMusclecars]

Thanks, Achille!

[BulldawgMusclecars]

The firewall after a little grinding:

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[gofastwclass]

He brought it to my attention that they weren't shaped the same, and it REALLY bothered him...so I said sure, fix it! Most people will never notice it, but its just one of those things that I can't imagine leaving the way it was.

I know exactly what you are saying. I shaved the firewall on a car several years ago and due to time constraints didn't make the fender mounts the same (or even pretty) because I thought they wouldn't be visible once the car was assembled. I was wrong. No one but the guys who helped me build the car noticed - even at low key shows, but I never got past that I didn't do it until I sold the car. For a few minutes it would have taken to grab the fender from storage and hold it up and the hour or two invested in some scrap making the mounts symmetrical... You made the right decision.

Looks good.

[SRD art]

Nice work Jeremy! I'm looking forward to seeing that in action dude!

[BulldawgMusclecars]

Its been a LONG day, but we got the rear end jig finished up tonight. Its a pretty trick piece if I do say so myself, and it will get put to use on Monday as we start prepping the 8.8 rear. Ben, I think you and Jeremy are going to get along great, and I can't wait to see what the two of you will come up with working together.

[SparkyRnD]

Where is the 'like' button on PT.com?? :-)

I can't wait to see it tomorrow!

[musclecarmatt]

just found this thread..very nice!...cant wait see it at RTOS!

[Sincitycutty]

Lovin this thread its rare to see OLDS build.. Giving me to many ideas, keep up the good work guys!!!

( More Pics Please):smoke:

[SparkyRnD]

Thanks guys! This car is going to get the wheels driven off of it, and will be at as many events as I can afford to attend. Saw the progress today at the Meet & Greet, and it's moving along quite well. The front suspension is mocked up with brakes; the transmission tunnel was fully welded in place and looks great; the rear axle jig was completed, and hopefully this week the 8.8 will get brackets tack welded on and we can mock it up to measure for wheels. Just a few other things fabrication wise to tackle, and the body will be ready to separate from the chassis to send it to powder coating.

[SShep71]

Im waiting to see this fixture for the 8.8. I may just go this route because I dont have the extra 2300 to drop on a rear. Im still trying to find a damn LQ4!

[SparkyRnD]

car-part.com is a great place to pick up a motor, and usually in your own town. That, or go to ebay.com and type in "lq4 dropout". The axle I bought through car-part.com, and the local shop that had it sold it for $150 including delivery to the shop (about 40 miles from their yard). The rear axle has 4.10 gears, 31 spline axles, discs and a limited slip. Joe plans on buying quite a few of the axles and modifying them with the jig for anyone that wants to buy them. I'll also put him in touch with one of our freight companies, and he should be able to ship them affordably most anywhere.

[SparkyRnD]

Just ordered the MGW shifter for our T56! Between that, the hydraulic lines and the Tilton Master, along with the Diamond Stage 2 clutch, we should be slamming through the gears :-)

[SRD art]

Ben, I think you and Jeremy are going to get along great, and I can't wait to see what the two of you will come up with working together.

Read this. I think it says it all.

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PS I can change the last names too but I don't know Jeremy's...

[BulldawgMusclecars]

That is awesome! His last name is Hale.

[BulldawgMusclecars]

Im waiting to see this fixture for the 8.8. I may just go this route because I dont have the extra 2300 to drop on a rear. Im still trying to find a damn LQ4!

Sorry, we have WAY too much time and $ in building the jig to give any detailed pics of it...suffice to say, its built like a battleship and will last through many rearend builds! We're looking to offer a pre-welded housing, in any stage of completion, at a VERY competitive price, so I think you will be pleasantly surprised when we have the pricing done.

[SShep71]

Any time frame on the completion?

[BulldawgMusclecars]

We should have the first one done (for Sabre) by the end of next week. It will be pretty simple, since we're going with the stock housing width. I'm planning to do a narrower, '64-'67 version, for Lonestar. That one will get different housing ends, since we'll be using Z06 brakes on it.

[GeoffP]

Joe,

The info you've posted about using an 8.8 is pretty interesting to me since it sounds like it might be a lower cost alternative to refurbing my 12 bolt with a new carrier and gears. What's your opinion?

[BulldawgMusclecars]

Joe,

The info you've posted about using an 8.8 is pretty interesting to me since it sounds like it might be a lower cost alternative to refurbing my 12 bolt with a new carrier and gears. What's your opinion?. It depends. It would cost you a minimum of $650 for a new Posi, gears, and bearings for your 12 bolt. For a 1st gen F- body, the Explorer housing would be too wide, so you'd need a narrower housing. One of the Mustang housings is probably close enough, but depending on year you'd probably need to buy aftermarket axles ( to go 31 spline). The Posi and gears could come from an Explorer, along with the brakes. You'd also need a pair of leaf spring mounts and shock mounts. The 12 bolt would still probably be more cost effective in this case, since you already have it.

[GeoffP]

Yep sounds like the 12 bolt is going to stick around...

[SparkyRnD]

EDIT: We had to fire the upholsterer and get our parts back, as nothing had been done in over 9 months, other than take $2,000 to buy materials.

[gardnerme]

I'm happy to announce that we have struck a deal with an upholsterer for our interior. We will be using Dark Dog Customs for our seats, door panels and interior on Sabre! I can't wait to get them started and begin posting pictures of the progress.

What - no "teaser" details like "pink with purple polka dots"?

I can't wait to see what you guys have planned!

[SparkyRnD]

No, that's what we're secretly planning for your Camaro :P

We are going to look at leather in the next few weeks and then order. We could have saved a bit by going with vinyl, but for the smaller difference in cost, and for longevity we decided leather was the best choice. We are going to have leather on all seating surfaces, and then the parts you don't sit on will be a combination of leather and / or vinyl to save some. We bought used door panels that were good for not much more than the metal upper and swipe, and will use those to build new panels from. We ditched the stock armrests and door pulls, and will be doing something simple but cool. We will also be replacing the carpet and headliner to match.

For colors on the interior, we haven't made that decision yet. We've thrown around the concept of using a brown similar to the body color, but I keep coming back to black. The dash is black, and I like as dark as I can get, as when I am driving or racing, I don't want lots of reflection from lighter colored materials. I also don't want distractions that move my eye away from the course, and lighter colors tend to do that for me.

[GeoffP]

Awesome news on the interior! I haven't heard of Dark Dog Customs? I assume they're local?

[BulldawgMusclecars]

Dark Dog is a relatively young local company, but the owner, Mike, really knows his stuff. He has plenty of hands on experience working in local upholstery shops, plus he's a Wyotech grad. I plan to use his services on several of the cars in the shop right now, including my own GNXcess.

http://www.darkdogcustoms.com/home.html

[gardnerme]

No, that's what we're secretly planning for your Camaro :P

No, you know I am going with a green and orange Zebra striped theme!

[SparkyRnD]

Always the pimp.

[BulldawgMusclecars]

Almsot forgot...Sabre's headers were delivered last night (1 7/8 long tubes by BRP/Musclerods).

[SparkyRnD]

Glad to hear that they arrived. Can't wait to see that axle mocked up and confirm what size wheels we can run!

[gardnerme]

Always the pimp.

And I have a pair of shoes with goldfish in the heels to prove it.

55651

Oh, I am sorry - did I just hijack the thread? "Spill'n one for my homies." :Alchy:

[SparkyRnD]

yes.

[copper128]

Ok, its been a while since I did the initial measurements, so I just checked all of them. On the original 8.2 BOP 10 bolt...
I realize your rearend use decision has likely already been made, but I just wanted to point out that all 71-72 Cutlass models came from the factory with a very good, non-c clip version of the 8.5" 10-bolt. Maybe the scalloped cover fooled you into thinking it was a 8.2 BOP. They do look similar with that cover, but Olds didn't use the BOP 8.2 after 1967.
For a comparatively minor investment, you could have upgraded to 30-spline axles and a posi or locker, resulting in a rear that would be at least as strong as the 8.8 and have the added benefit of positive retention axles. Aftermarket disc brake kits are readily available, obviously.

Just sayin'

[BulldawgMusclecars]

I realize your rearend use decision has likely already been made, but I just wanted to point out that all 71-72 Cutlass models came from the factory with a very good, non-c clip version of the 8.5" 10-bolt. Maybe the scalloped cover fooled you into thinking it was a 8.2 BOP. They do look similar with that cover, but Olds didn't use the BOP 8.2 after 1967.
For a comparatively minor investment, you could have upgraded to 30-spline axles and a posi or locker, resulting in a rear that would be at least as strong as the 8.8 and have the added benefit of positive retention axles. Aftermarket disc brake kits are readily available, obviously.

Just sayin'

Everything I have ever read said that '71-'72 Cutlass came with the 8.5 rear with bolt-in axles, but that isn't what was in this one. Most of those 8.5s did have a round cover, without the scallops, but this one had the scalloped cover and c-clip retention. I can only assume that someone put an earlier rear in the car at some point. I'd do some more checking for #s if it were still here, but its not. Like you said, if this car had the 8.5, it would be more than adequate for our purposes in this build...but budgetwise, it sill wouldn't have made sense . $300+ for aftermarket axles, a decent posi for $450+, another $300 for gears and bearings, vs. an inexpensive (Sparky got a screaming deal on this one, $150!) lightly used rear that has a posi and the gearing we wanted, along with 31 spline axles and factory disc brakes. Just upgrading the 8.5 to the same level would have eaten up $1500+, vs the maybe $250 materials cost we have in the 8.8. Would it really need the aftermarket axles? Probably not, at least for our purposes, but even without that we're still $1000 ahead of the game, and have a stronger rear. The only thing I don't like about the 8.8s is the c-clip axles, and that will be corrected in production versions of our 8.8 for those who want the upgrade. Unless you are drag racing, it really isn't necessary.

[SparkyRnD]

And something to point out is that even if the c-clips in this axle break, the axle won't come out as the disc brakes hold it in place. But all good points. Since this is for an affordable build, the 8.8 just makes more sense. Also, if we kept the original axle, we'd have to pay someone probably $200-$400 to set up the gears properly, so that was factored in too.

[BulldawgMusclecars]

And something to point out is that even if the c-clips in this axle break, the axle won't come out as the disc brakes hold it in place. But all good points. Since this is for an affordable build, the 8.8 just makes more sense. Also, if we kept the original axle, we'd have to pay someone probably $200-$400 to set up the gears properly, so that was factored in too.

Just to clairify, we can do gear swaps with no problem...but that is a real cost that the average guy would have to pay someone for, so its a consideration here.

[SparkyRnD]

Sorry, should have clarified that "we" was referring to RnD Fabrication, since we're paying for the project.

[ent72olds]

Awesome build so far guys! Wish I would have discovered it a little sooner, before I started doing suspension on my '70 Vista Cruiser...as far as a brown, check out Ford code B4...Chestnut Pearl....looks pretty good on a '72 Cutlass...

[SparkyRnD]

Erik, thanks for the compliments. I'm quite pleased with how the build is progressing, and love the concept that Rushforth came up with. For the color, we have selected a Brown already, but I appreciate the color suggestion.

Do you have pictures of the Vista?

[BulldawgMusclecars]

Our first prototype 8.8 Ford rear for the A-body. We'll cap off the upper control arm mounts before paint. We are going to use round tube on the production units, and we'll have a long list of options. Sabre's will be getting a cast aluminum girdle-type cover.

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[CornHusker4Life]

I have not seen an update from you in a couple days. I knew you were waiting for a Big Unveil. That Looks SICK! Nothing but the best out of Bulldawg MuscleCars!

[BulldawgMusclecars]

I have not seen an update from you in a couple days. I knew you were waiting for a Big Unveil. That Looks SICK! Nothing but the best out of Bulldawg MuscleCars!

It took a little longer than we expected, since the beefy Explorer housing doesn't leave much room for the upper control arm mounting. I had originally planned to run the tube supports around the front, but there just wasn't any way. The LCA mounts are off another stock 8.2 housing (not the Olds one that came in the car), and getting them cut off without damage, and fitting them to the tubes, took some time. In the future, we plan to produce our own LCA brackets. The uppers are based on Speedway pieces. Before this one is painted, we'll also fully weld the pumpkin to the axle tubes for added strength.

[BulldawgMusclecars]

The first test fit will be tomorrow morning, so we'll be able to get the wheel order off to Jason Rushforth!

[SparkyRnD]

I know that this was one of the toughest bits of fabrication on the project. Good job!

[HectorM52]

What's the sensor on the housing, there?

[HectorM52]

...The LCA mounts are off another stock 8.2 housing (not the Olds one that came in the car), and getting them cut off without damage, and fitting them to the tubes, took some time...

Do you guys have a plasma torch? That would make quick work of them and they fit in tight spaces. I can't imagine trying to get them off with a cutoff saw or anything that is "mechanical."

[SparkyRnD]

factory anti-lock brake sensor from the factory

[BulldawgMusclecars]

Still takes a lot of care, even with a plasma. I should have clarified that a bit, but since the Explorer housing has larger diameter tubes, they had to be ground, fitted to the jig, and ground again several times to get them perfect. We wanted as tight a fit as possible. Most of the time was spent figuring out the best way to do the upper mounts.

[ent72olds]

Erik, thanks for the compliments. I'm quite pleased with how the build is progressing, and love the concept that Rushforth came up with. For the color, we have selected a Brown already, but I appreciate the color suggestion.

Do you have pictures of the Vista?

Sparky & Joe...it is very cool to have a vision, and to work hard and smart to make it all come together! Like I said, I wish I was on board here earlier. Seems the direction of the build( and I know this was the strategy) was to build a "hybrid of old and new" that we here in car loving land can realistically build, and not for too much money! I appreciate the pics and updates, and understand at the same time, you both have businesses to run, as well as putting food on the table for your kids. I hope, that when the finished "Sabre" is unveiled(sp?), you can post a list, or link to a website, where, when these parts go into production, we can purchase! I'm too deep into my '70 Vista right now, but I also have a '65 Vista that will be much more radical. I wouldn't mind using your parts on it! Anyway, keep up the good work guys, and thank you! By the way, Sparky, heres a link to my '70 Vista build...http://classicoldsmobile.com/forums/major-builds-projects/9737-70-vista-cruiser-project.html

[SparkyRnD]

Yes, our theme was to take a nice, older muscle car and make it fresh, safe and competitive, without breaking the bank and while retaining the style of the original car. I also like that many of the items in the build can be done in stages, as time and funds are available. That means that if you can't swing everything in the build right now, you can pick and choose the parts that are important to you and in what order you need / want them, and then build it in phases (ie: suspension and brake upgrades first, since those are safety items; then upgrade wheels and tires; then upgrade drivetrain and exhaust next; then paint / body, and then interior). I know too many people, myself included, that start a project and get in too far over their heads (either money or skill level wise), and the project takes years or longer to finish, if at all. This type of build and the planning that went into it before we even bought the car helped out a lot, and gave us a goal to shoot for. Then the Rushforth rendering gave us the road map of how to reach that goal, which was invaluable.

I LOVE seeing the high dollar builds in magazines, on television and on forums, but I know that to live within my means, I can't swing a 6-figure build. I look at the high dollar builds to get ideas and see what is possible, and appreciate the fabrication and dreams these guys come up with. That then inspires me to come up with my own ideas and concepts, and find a way to fit those in with my budget. Bulldawg is helping me get where I want, for what I can realistically afford. We talk every week about where the project stands, what needs to be done, where I am at money wise, and what we can upgrade or what we have to downgrade to stay on track. And it is HARD sometimes. But rather than letting things get out of hand, Joe has been great about making sure we stay on track.

Thanks for the link on the Vista, I'll check it out in a few minutes. We also have a project build website at www.projectsabre.com, although I need to give it a good solid update (hopefully I can carve out time this weekend).

I truly look forward to hammering on Sabre; I also look forward to cruising around town and to events.

[BulldawgMusclecars]

Sparky & Joe...it is very cool to have a vision, and to work hard and smart to make it all come together! Like I said, I wish I was on board here earlier. Seems the direction of the build( and I know this was the strategy) was to build a "hybrid of old and new" that we here in car loving land can realistically build, and not for too much money! I appreciate the pics and updates, and understand at the same time, you both have businesses to run, as well as putting food on the table for your kids. I hope, that when the finished "Sabre" is unveiled(sp?), you can post a list, or link to a website, where, when these parts go into production, we can purchase! I'm too deep into my '70 Vista right now, but I also have a '65 Vista that will be much more radical. I wouldn't mind using your parts on it! Anyway, keep up the good work guys, and thank you! By the way, Sparky, heres a link to my '70 Vista build...http://classicoldsmobile.com/forums/major-builds-projects/9737-70-vista-cruiser-project.html

Thanks! Once the build is finished, I'll compile a listing of all parts used Including part numbers, along with sources and average retail pricing. I do this on any modified build, especially considering that many of the cars we do aren't local and we won't be doing the future service work.

Most of these items are off the shelf, and can be purchased anywhere, but there are a few specific items that we knew from the start would likely become production parts. Since RnD owns the car, the radiator and overflow tank were a given, and it wasn't long after that the decision was made to build an afffordable, EFI-ready fuel tank. Those will be available through any RnD dealer, including Bulldawg.

The 8.8 rear, on the other hand, was something that just sort of happened. Although Sparky and I both own our own businesses and some have the mistaken idea that all business owners must be rich, neither of us are going to throw money at a project needlessly. There are some areas where it pays to not try to re-invent the wheel, if you're on a budget, and in this case we are trying to do only modifications that a determined guy working in his own garage can do. Plenty of hot rodders have adapted the 8.8 axle to their projects, but most were either leaf spring applications (easy), or to be blunt...they did it wrong, using Mustang housings with cast-in upper control arms mounts that are at the wrong angle, and requiring their own control arms be used. My goal with this project was to take an affordable, easily acquired rear with proven capability in the Mustang world (and those are weaker- all but the newest generation are 28 spline, with smaller axle tubes), and properly fit it to the car so that any control arms...stock or aftermarket...could be used without issue. We could have built a simpler fixture to locate the brackets, but since I work on a lot of A-bodies anyway it made sense to build it for the long haul, so that it can be used for any future A-body projects, and for anyone who desires a stronger rear for far less $ than an aftermarket 12 bolt or 9". This particular one is very basic, but it fits the needs of the project well, and changes can be made later if desired. Narrower housings, centered pinions, different housing ends for 9"-style axles to eliminate the C-clips, differentials and gears, additional bracing, better brakes, etc. area all posibilities. Oh, and these will be available for G-bodies, too...thats next!

[BulldawgMusclecars]

The full RideTech coil over suspension is now under Sabre, with the new 8.8 rear...we'll be getting it back down on the ground any minute!

[gardnerme]

Do you guys have a plasma torch?

Now that's funny right there (private joke). A buddy of mine and I tried that very thing once (removing brackets from an axle housing with a plasma cutter) and wound up with some "less than stellar" results. Of course, we did not REALLY know what we were doing at the time. :-)

[gardnerme]

The full RideTech coil over suspension is now under Sabre, with the new 8.8 rear...we'll be getting it back down on the ground any minute!

(Patiently waiting on pics)

[BulldawgMusclecars]

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I love that its tucking the front tire, and the engine and trans aren't in the car yet!

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Crossmember is a little low, but we aren't going to be jumping speedbumps in this car anyway.

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Plenty of room for a nice meaty wheel and tire combo...I can get my fist in there with the 15x8 Cragars reinstalled.

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I can still get two fingers in at the front

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The 8.8 installed for the first time...fits like a glove!

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[CornHusker4Life]

Looks great. Love the tucked look of the wheels and tires.

[SparkyRnD]

Looks amazing!! I love how big the wheel wells are on these a-bodies

[BulldawgMusclecars]

Looks amazing!! I love how big the wheel wells are on these a-bodies. Can't wait to see it with Rushforths in those wheel wells!

[atam]

Looking good!!!

[HectorM52]

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I think something's missing!!

[BulldawgMusclecars]

Yeah, still on the stand, waiting for a color code to paint the block!

[GeoffP]

It's coming together - I would love to see it in person. Maybe in a few weeks after mine is running!

[SparkyRnD]

I can't wait to see the wheels on there too, they are going to be incredible. Rushforth hoped to have the paint sample ready this week, and we'll order paint for the engine and transmission as soon as it arrives.

[SparkyRnD]

Now that's funny right there (private joke). A buddy of mine and I tried that very thing once (removing brackets from an axle housing with a plasma cutter) and wound up with some "less than stellar" results. Of course, we did not REALLY know what we were doing at the time. :-)

I think I know who you are talking about, and you are right, that is funny!

[csouth]

Looking good over there guys. Can't wait to see it run at Milford...

[ent72olds]

As usual, great work and progress! The fixture for the 8.8 is killer...just gives a few more options for future builds. Will that be a part "produced" for public consumption later on? Also, and I understand if you don't want to give out the info yet, unless I missed it, what size rims will you be using? Naaa, forget it...let it be a surprise!

[SparkyRnD]

Will that be a part "produced" for public consumption later on?

I came up with the idea of using an 8.8 for Sabre, and Joe was the one who figured out how to make it work, and make it repeatable (MAJOR undertaking).

For the wheels, 19's & 20's. The goal is to fit 275/30-19 and 305/25-20 tires. Joe should be measuring today for wheels, and we'll place the order as soon as we're sure what will fit. I'll also order tires at the same time so we can mock them up and be positive of what will fit.

[BulldawgMusclecars]

We took measurements for the wheels, and they were ordered today. Can't wait to see them!

[SparkyRnD]

Yep, I ordered with Jason Rushforth a few hours ago, and we're going to run 19x10 fronts with 275 / 30 tires, and 20x10 rears with 305 / 25 tires. The wheels are Rushforth 6-shooters with gold powder coated centers and polished hoops. I can't get over how great the stance is with the RideTech Complete Coilover Conversion! This car has a completely new attitude, and it's MEAN!

[FRENCHBLUE72]

I had thought I had gotten in earlier on this great build but I guess not..

[BulldawgMusclecars]

Today we mocked up the gas tank, and started planning the routing of the exhaust. If you'll notice in the rendering, Jason came up with a rectangular exhaust opening in the bumper, under the tail lights. This looks really good in my opinion, but there are a few obstacles in the way. For one, the exhaust either has to pass under the frame rail and back up (unacceptable), or run along the inside of the frame rail, and then go through it to exit in the correct location. To do this, we'll have to narrow the prototype tank for exhaust clearance, cut a hole in the rail, and reinforce it with round tubing (in this case, we're using 3.5 inch ID, to clear the 2.5 exhaust he's planning to run, and leaving the possibility of a 3" system for later down the road). The tubing will have a diagonal cut, so the exhaust won't have to make such a radical bend. We're using a Borla stainless steel, universal style exhaust system. We should have this done tomorrow, so that we can start off next week by taking the body off of the frame and prepping it for powder coating.

[real57vetteguy]

Looks like our shift knob for the T56 transmission in Project Sabre is ready!

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Very Nice

[SparkyRnD]

Thanks. It just seemed to fit better than any other knob I'd found. I unfortunately had the threads wrong when I ordered, so it won't fit without being drilled out and retapped. I talked to the guy that made it for me, and he's going to tap / rethread it for $15 including shipping, can't beat that!

[csouth]

You guys are making great progress over there! Hey Sparky, will you give fellow cutlass owners a discount on those tanks when you start sell them?...lol:headbang:

[BulldawgMusclecars]

There will be a ton more progress next week! The exhaust tunnels in the frame, removal of the body, and disassembly are all on the agenda... plus starting bodywork!

[SparkyRnD]

Here is how it currently sits, minus the wheels & tires (sold them last week):

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[CornHusker4Life]

Love the ride height, Sparky. Cant wait to see it with the new wheels and tires.

[ent72olds]

Sorry if I missed this guys, but what type of bushings will you be using, rubber,poly or maybe nylon? Thanks!

[SparkyRnD]

I believe the kit came with Poly Bushings throughout.

Another update: the Schroth Racing Rallye 4 ASM Harnesses arrived, and things are moving quickly for the deadline of completion at the end of April. The goal is to have a week of testing and tuning, and then attend the Run To Old South ASCS event on May 4/5/6!

We also updated the website Gallery section with pictures bringing us up to date, here:
http://www.projectsabre.com/Gallery.html

[BulldawgMusclecars]

A quick update...the body is off of the frame, the suspension is completely disassembled, and the first exhaust pass-through is in (though its still being trimmed and finish welded). Pics later!

[SRD art]

I just looked at Sparky's photo link. Lookin' good boys!

[gardnerme]

A quick update...the body is off of the frame, the suspension is completely disassembled, and the first exhaust pass-through is in (though its still being trimmed and finish welded). Pics later!

Please!

[BulldawgMusclecars]

The body is off!

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Talk about clean floorpans...that isn't rust, its red oxide primer, and it looks fresh! This is by far the cleanest starting point we have ever worked with in the shop.

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Jeremy finishing the welds on the pass-through for the passenger side (frame is upside down).

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[SShep71]

Ahhhh the joy of working on the frame on the ground!

[BulldawgMusclecars]

He's still young, it won't hurt him! Me, on the other hand...well, I'd be fine, 'til I tried to get up!

[SparkyRnD]

that's looking great Joe! And for Jeremy working on the floor, ah, to be young and healthy!

Also, we took advantage of the Matt's Classic Bowtie's sale on Morris Classic Concepts 3pt seat belts (saved almost $100 over Summit Racing's price)! I was going to buy them after the car was on the road, but couldn't pass up saving $100. I will use the MCC's for regular street use and to / from events, and then use the Schroth Rallye 4's for race weekends.

[SRD art]

Ha! For some reason the page loaded at the bottom so I read the after posts before I saw the photo. Then I saw him cross legged sitting there and it caught me off guard. "Wow! How does he do that? I can't remember the last time I could sit like that!" Lol!

That frame's looking real cool! Congrats on the great buy Sparky!

[GeoffP]

Wow - you guys make me feel special. I don't have a problem sitting my fat but cross legged and I'm fat and 40!! :) haha The car's coming right along Sparky. I know you've got to be excited! Have you guys talked deadline for completion yet or at least a roundabout date?

[SRD art]

They talk about being done but I still have a t-shirt that says I'll be driving my car before them! ;) bbbbbt!

At this point we're pretty close to the same spot in the build so it should be a fun run to see who's up first!

[SparkyRnD]

Our deadline is the end of April. That will give us a week to drive it and see what needs to be changed / adjusted before the RTOS event. Then we have a week break, and then hopefully we'll make it up to the Goodguys Nashville for more autocrossing. We have a ton to get done by then, but I have faith in Bulldawg Musclecars. I also plan on some late nights helping on the sanding and such too, and hopefully I won't make more work by messing it up!

Ben, are we talking completed, or just driving? ;-)

[SRD art]

I admire the progress the Bulldawg crew is making on Sabre, and can't wait to see it all the way done. It'll be one sweet ride.

Well, at this point I'll be glad if my car is driving by end of April.I'm having to make some sacrifices of how "done" my car is because of finances getting thin and I've lost the help of my professor, our subs just don't know what he does. Right now I'm seeing the frame and suspension being completed except for the 9" swap. I should have most of the body work done but it will be in primer. I'm also slipping the 406 back in for my road trip out there, and I'll have to do the interior upgrade there too. Hmmm, sounds an awful lot like the only thing that will be done is the frame and suspension. OK, you win. Wah ha ha ha.... Lol! Looks like the Pumkinator will count as another Bulldawg build by the time it is "done". :)

[SparkyRnD]

it'll be nice to see it here, and see the last of the transformation in person!

I went out this morning and ordered the tires through Discount Tire. I ordered Hankook Ventus V12 Evo K110's based on their reviews, ratings, knowing a few people that have used them, and the price point. I got DT to price-match Summit Racing's prices (killer deal), and after it was all said and done, it saved another $300 over what I was going to pay. Thankfully, that money is now needed for some other parts that we didn't put in the budget, that are now required.

I also went to our upholsterer's new shop and looked at leather samples, and I think we've nailed down the color for the interior. Tomorrow Joe and I are going to go to the paint supply shop and get a pint or a quart of the brown we're going to use, and use that to finalize the interior and stitching colors. It's definitely coming along, and I always forget how busy / hectic things get around the last half of a build!

[SRD art]

Thanks Sparky. Truth is I've had some fast cars in the past but never anything that was a real looker. I am so stoked to finally have a project worthy of grabbing everyone's attention.

I'm anxious to see your color shade. Brown is a bit odd but the right shade will knock it out of the park! Unique is a good thing in this game. ;)

[BulldawgMusclecars]

Thanks Sparky. Truth is I've had some fast cars in the past but never anything that was a real looker. I am so stoked to finally have a project worthy of grabbing everyone's attention.

I'm anxious to see your color shade. Brown is a bit odd but the right shade will knock it out of the park! Unique is a good thing in this game. ;)

Not to steal any thunder from Sabre, but wait til you see the color choice on our friend Mike's "Yet Another '67 Camaro"! Definitely different, but so cool I'd use it on my own car if he wasn't going to use it!

[SparkyRnD]

hijack......HIJACK!!! GIVE ME BACK THAT THUNDER!

yeah, he showed me a picture of it the other day, and wow is that car going to have the coolest paint color!

Oh, and I just ordered the Poly Body Bushings Joe, they should be here tomorrow. Guess we will find out how different the Chevelle and Cutlass mounts are.

[SRD art]

Aw dang. I just saw his build thread today and left a lengthy response to the paint color choices he had posted. A little too late I guess. ;) I subscribed over there so I guess I'll see sumpin' soon (?).

Sparky and Joe, I've always wondered, are the A body cars that much different under the body? Or B Bodies? Or G bodies?

[SparkyRnD]

A's are very similar, but the mounts are in different locations, and from what I've read the Cutlass has a few more mounts than the Chevelle does. We will see soon though. I ordered a Chevelle kit that had 32 bushings (most of the kids listed 28). Unfortunately there is nothing available in poly specifically for the A-body Cutlass, so we will have to either make this work, or order individual custom bushings once we see what fits.

[gardnerme]

Not to steal any thunder from Sabre, but wait til you see the color choice on our friend Mike's "Yet Another '67 Camaro"! Definitely different, but so cool I'd use it on my own car if he wasn't going to use it!

YAY! Are you goint to be able to pick up a sample when you and Sparky go to the paint supply house tomorrow (hint, hint)?







Did I need to pay you in advance for it? :here!:

[SparkyRnD]

Was that a summit paint you showed me? Or House of Kolor?

[gardnerme]

SHHHH!!

HoK.

[SparkyRnD]

didn't realize it was a secret until after I posted. You know better than to tell me

[SRD art]

Lol! You guys sound like y'all are sittin' around the picnic table talkin' 'bout this. Oh wait a minute, you prolly do that often so no wonder.

I've heard Summit paint isn't bad, but not really for a serious build.

[gardnerme]

Lol! You guys sound like y'all are sittin' around the picnic table talkin' 'bout this. Oh wait a minute, you prolly do that often so no wonder.

I've heard Summit paint isn't bad, but not really for a serious build.

Picnic table, dinner table, pool table - does it really matter?

I don't think Summit has the color I have in mind. :-)

There I go hijacking a thread again. MODERATOR!!

[ehummelman]

Sparky,
you are going to leave that "FATBOY" tag on there right? It's a nice touch.

[SparkyRnD]

No, that will be going away.

Today was a long day, but some good progress was made. I went to the paint supply shop and got some brown samples and some gold samples mixed up. I then took those back to Bulldawg where we painted a few stripes onto a piece of scrap sheetmetal. Once those dried, we took them to the upholsterer and we nailed down the colors for the interior.

After we finished there, we spent a good bit of time discussing the project with our bodyman, and as much as it absolutely pains me to say, we are going to miss the end-of-april deadline. The bodywork will take 2-3 weeks, and then it needs to cure for about a month before we go into paint. I was hoping all along that we could be done faster, but there really is no way to get around this and have a paint job that will last and look beautiful, without going through the month of curing before paint. Rather than assemble it in primer with sealer, drive around the RTOS, then bring it back, disassemble, and go through more body-work then paint, we are going to do it right the first time (saves money this way, since we aren't doing it twice). Right now we're going to shoot for beginning of June to be on the road, but we'll have to see if any other changes have to come about that will delay it.

[ent72olds]

:twothumbsGood move guys...you won't regret it.

[HectorM52]

I agree. Doing it right the first time is the best way to go.

[SRD art]

Sounds like a good day's work Sparky. It's nice to see things come together even if it means a longer build time, I can definitely relate.

I'm actually glad to hear this, I'll get to see the master at work laying down the color. We'll be spraying my car there too, and since I want to do it myself, the more I get to watch and learn the better.

Maybe I'll even be able to help put the car back together, having watched this build from the beginning and then being able to be hands on part of it would be really cool.

[SparkyRnD]

I agree, that part would be very cool.

It's hard to believe that it's already been 6.5 months since I first dropped off the car. Assuming everything goes well on the bodywork, it should only push us back 1 month. The good part is that while the car is sitting in primer curing, there is still a lot of other work that can get done (chassis, running fuel & brake lines, installing the suspension and drive train, exhaust, installing wheels & tires, et cetera). We'll also have the interior being stitched up at the same time, giving the upholsterer free reign to come over, test fit panels and such. Then, when the body is painted, we can then reinstall it on the chassis and start running wires and putting it all back together.

It will be great when it's done, as around here, there is a car show / cruise-in every weekend from April through October. Some of the recurring saturday evening shows / cruise-in's bring upwards of 800 cars, so there is ALWAYS something to do & see. Plus, with all the racing tracks (circle, oval, straight, curvy), there are usually really good events every few weeks, including autocrosses. Having Sabre finished and knowing it was done right without cutting corners will make it all the more worth while.

Yesterday I went back to see the upholsterer and put down the deposit, and he is placing the order for leather and thread and all the other materials. He said it would be here sometime next week and he can get started. Monday I'm supposed to go over to Bulldawg and they are going to mock up some f-body mounts under the Monte Carlo seats, and I am going to sit in the car and we'll measure if we have to move the brackets down or not. I know that Friday and Saturday Curt was stripping all the paint off the body, and Jeremy was welding up the last of the openings, including the mirror holes and the drip-rail gaps. Hopefully by Tuesday afternoon or Wednesday morning, Joe will be bringing the body to the body guy to get started on. Also, the chassis should leave early in the week to the powder-coaters.

[BulldawgMusclecars]

Its getting there...we're still stripping off the old paint, while Jeremy is fabbing up the new windshield wiper system (note, there isn't a provision for the old wipers on the new firewall!). I'll be here late today working on it, and will get it in epoxy late tomorrow.

BTW, I know some are wondering "Why isn't the bodywork being done in-house?". Well, there are a couple reasons. For one, Jeremy has been the body guy to this point, but with the increased amount of metal fabrication and repair his workload has increased, and I have been looking for a full-time guy to do finish bodywork. I had a good lead on one, and he's still a possibility for joining the team, but one of the most talented bodymen I have ever met became available unexpectedly, and his involvement is helping to keep the build schedule on track. So, while it technically isn't being done at Bulldawg, its definitely Bulldawg approved! Hopefully he'll also be assisting us on finish bodywork in the future on a part-time basis.

[SparkyRnD]

yep, and I couldn't be more pleased with how things are turning out. I will be by the shop tonight on my way to UPS, and will swing by tomorrow so we can test-fit the seats.

[GeoffP]

I wish my brother was still in the market for a job - he's an excellent paint and body guy and the reason my 68 looks as good as it does. The paint is nearly 15 years old and still shines like a new penny! Anyway, back on topic, I agree that waiting instead of rushing the build is the best choice. I hope you guys are still coming to RTOS! I'm still on track to have mine going in 2-3 weeks. :)

[SparkyRnD]

I'm going to still try to make it, even without the car

[BulldawgMusclecars]

I wish my brother was still in the market for a job - he's an excellent paint and body guy and the reason my 68 looks as good as it does. The paint is nearly 15 years old and still shines like a new penny! Anyway, back on topic, I agree that waiting instead of rushing the build is the best choice. I hope you guys are still coming to RTOS! I'm still on track to have mine going in 2-3 weeks. :)

I'll still be there, just without the car. I'll probably be in the wife's Mustang.

[GeoffP]

If one of you guys want to come south before going east you can drive my second Camaro over...I wouldn't offer that to just anyone! My IROC is my baby! :) My only rule is, "You break it, you fix it."

[SparkyRnD]

sounds like a fun offer!

I swung by the shop after I made my last run to UPS at 9pm tonight. Joe was still there, wrapping up from a long day. If i can squeeze out some free time tomorrow, I'm going to go over and help finish stripping the body so they can put it in epoxy primer.

[BulldawgMusclecars]

If one of you guys want to come south before going east you can drive my second Camaro over...I wouldn't offer that to just anyone! My IROC is my baby! :) My only rule is, "You break it, you fix it."

A very tempting offer! Riding in your 3rd gen at PSMC was a lot of fun! I'm anxious to get back on my '87 TA, but its on the backburner for now.

[GeoffP]

Hmm...after seeing how much the RTOS registration is, I'll only be bringing one car! It's going to be tough to do that since all "project" fund money has been going towards getting my 68 running. I've got to buckle down and get it done!

[BulldawgMusclecars]

Lots of progress on Sabre! Jeremy has the metal work finished up, and about 90% of the body is stripped to the metal with only the jambs, around the windows, and other details to address. The body shell is now on the cart, almost ready to go to the body guy. I'll get pics up tomorrow.

[BulldawgMusclecars]

A few more pics. The body is getting close to ready for priming, but we're going to have to do some minor blasting here and there beforehand...and its raining here now, and will be tomorrow, so the plan is to come in on Sunday to knock out the blasting and priming.

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Jose working on the roof.

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DA sanded in 80 grit in preparation for priming

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Stripping the old undercoating from the wheel wells. I have never seen it come off so easily...no heat, just scraping.

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[SparkyRnD]

looking great!

[BulldawgMusclecars]

I had some pics up of the new openings in the hood (to be covered by billet vents), but we're going in a different direction...I basically misunderstood how the new pieces would work (size of the openings), so we'll be doing some modifications there. Look for an update on Sunday.

[SparkyRnD]

it was a cool concept though

[deejai35]

Body work is looking good! I just caught up on the last few pages. A lot of progress.

[SparkyRnD]

I dropped by to make a payment this morning, and they were getting ready to start blasting the last of the areas of paint in the hard-to reach areas. Not sure how far they got or if they got it in primer, but it was a darn nice day to work outside!

[BulldawgMusclecars]

Blasting is about 97%...we were having some issues with the blast media...but it will be finished in the morning and primed.

[car_designer]

The project is looking good.

[SparkyRnD]

snuck by the shop today on my way to UPS to drop off some radiators. Clark and Jose were blasting the last remnants of paint off Sabre, and it was looking pretty good! Jeremy had finished cutting the holes in the hood for the future heat extractors we'll be adding, and had boxed in the openings. Joe figured it would be in primer either this evening or tomorrow morning, and to the body guy tomorrow evening or Wednesday. It's looking good, and I wish I could keep it in bare metal as it looks amazing

[gardnerme]

I actually stopped by a snuck a peek myself, and I was amazed what really good shape that body was in even before the body work begins. I know that Jeremy had dome some small repairs and filled in some trim holes but you are starting with a great body!

[SparkyRnD]

Even so, they are estimating about 80 hours of body work to make it all smooth and near perfect.

[BulldawgMusclecars]

The hood modifications...basically, the old lower skin was cut away where the louvered panels bolted up. New tabs are being made for one side, since the panel attached to holes drilled in the old panel. The whole opening is being boxed in, so that full strength is retained. Its actually stronger than before.

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The shell, before going over it a final time in some areas with 80 grit.

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[gardnerme]

Even so, they are estimating about 80 hours of body work to make it all smooth and near perfect.

Yeah. Now that I look at the pics that Joe posted, I see that you are right. It looks like absolute dog squeeze. :razz:

[SRD art]

Looking great! Cool that you can squeeze in the big tires without mini tubs...

[SparkyRnD]

another benefit to the 68-72 A-Body, wide wheel wells. Found out today that the passenger front pan has about 40 or so pin holes from rust which we couldn't see before blasting. So that one will be getting replaced after the body work. Driver's side has 3 or so pin holes, but those can be cleaned and welded up. The hood looks killer with the heat extractor vents cut out and boxed in. It'll be a little while after being on the road before I have the new extractors made up and ready, but will be great once it's done and put together.

[SparkyRnD]

we ya'll able to get it in primer today? How's it looking?

[BulldawgMusclecars]

Its fully primed, but we are going to give all the parts another coat in the AM and get it on the trailer. Should be gone by noon. It looks great in black epoxy! Pics tomorrow.

[SparkyRnD]

can't wait to see the pictures! Is the chassis going out to the powder coater's today as well?

[gardnerme]

Pics tomorrow.

Yes, please!

[BulldawgMusclecars]

Its all at the body guy's place, and he's already started blocking. Frame is leaving on Monday.

[SparkyRnD]

did you have a chance to take any pictures before she left out?

[BulldawgMusclecars]

yes...I'll get them up sometime this afternoon.

[SparkyRnD]

had a chance to upload the pics? Dying to see what it looked like before it left

[GeoffP]

Ha! I was wondering the same thing Sparky - where's the pics??? :)

[SparkyRnD]

also did the frame make it out today as planned?

[70OldsSportsCoupe]

that's looking great Joe! And for Jeremy working on the floor, ah, to be young and healthy!

Also, we took advantage of the Matt's Classic Bowtie's sale on Morris Classic Concepts 3pt seat belts (saved almost $100 over Summit Racing's price)! I was going to buy them after the car was on the road, but couldn't pass up saving $100. I will use the MCC's for regular street use and to / from events, and then use the Schroth Rallye 4's for race weekends.

Thanks for this - I had no ideal MCC's belts existed. I wanted to put 3-points in my '70 Cutlass Sports Coupe, but was concerned about the odd 2-bolt upper mount point. Most aftermarket belts expect a single bolt there.
I'm assuming since you're using them that Cutlass seat belts are the same as Chevy and Pontiac A-bodies, as MCC only lists them for those two.

I'm eagerly following this build - I've been slowly (oh, so slowly) building up my '70. I particularly interested in that Explorer 8.8. I have the Olds 12-bolt 8.5" in mine, with 2.73 rear gears. The 200-4R overdrive I recently put in doesn't really like such tall gears in OD, so I've been looking around for a less-expensive way to get a limited slip and lower gears, and I wouldn't say no to rear disks. Looks like the Explorer rear may be the ticket. Has a price been established on that?

[BulldawgMusclecars]

A price hasn't been determined yet, and will depend greatly on options and warranty. Sparky's is essentially straight out of the salvage yard, but in excellent condition. I'm a little hesitant to sell one that way, unless its without a warranty on the internals. More than likely, we'll offer the base package with a rebuilt Traction Lock, new bearings, and gears, and redrilled axles, along with a fully welded center section, new rotors, and reman calipers. I think we could do that for less than half the cost of a new 12 bolt. For an addtional amount, we'll use a bearing-style housing end and custom axles, and offer upgraded brakes, narrowing, additional axle tube bracing, etc. I may even consider selling a bare housing, or housing/axle package for those who want to do that part themselves.

[BulldawgMusclecars]

I thought I had a few pics of the car in bare epoxy, but I don't. Here are a few shots taken today, after the bodywork has been started.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/IMG_1137-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/IMG_1136-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/IMG_1135-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/IMG_1134-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/IMG_1133-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/IMG_1132-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/IMG_1131-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/IMG_1130-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/IMG_1129-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/IMG_1128-1.jpg

[70OldsSportsCoupe]

A price hasn't been determined yet, and will depend greatly on options and warranty. Sparky's is essentially straight out of the salvage yard, but in excellent condition. I'm a little hesitant to sell one that way, unless its without a warranty on the internals. More than likely, we'll offer the base package with a rebuilt Traction Lock, new bearings, and gears, and redrilled axles, along with a fully welded center section, new rotors, and reman calipers. I think we could do that for less than half the cost of a new 12 bolt. For an addtional amount, we'll use a bearing-style housing end and custom axles, and offer upgraded brakes, narrowing, additional axle tube bracing, etc. I may even consider selling a bare housing, or housing/axle package for those who want to do that part themselves.

Understood. Let us know when you've got baseline pricing on that, OK? Never even thought bout an 8.8 rear due to the different control-arm config, but you figured it out.
It's either that, or find a posi and gears for my 8.5" "12-bolt" O-type, and I'd still have to figure out disk brakes. On the other hand, I would still be able to use a W-27 rear cover... :)

[HectorM52]

Pics look great, Joe! That is one clean car! Really good piece to start with!!!

[SRD art]

...On the other hand, I would still be able to use a W-27 rear cover... :)

One day last year a guy brought a recently purchased "great condition" 69 Camaro SS396 "numbers matching" car to a friend's shop for a quick look over. When I stopped by my friend brought me out to the lift to see the total rip off hack job issues on the entire car, including the street sign post that had been welded in where the frame was rotted out and the 10 bolt 8.5" rear that had been re-drilled and tapped to accept a 12 bolt cover!! Yes there were two sets of cover bolt holes under the cover! So, if you really wanted to go through the trouble this rip off mechanic did, you could always attach the W-27 cover to the 8.8... :rolleyes:

[GeoffP]

Looks good!

[SparkyRnD]

The body does look great, but in all honesty there is a ton of work that was in it before it got to the epoxy stage. And, there is going to be about 3 weeks of 8 hours a day in the body work (and that is before paint), and that still won't be a perfect show car job (for those that are wondering). When cutting and welding metal, it can still tweak even a little which requires body work on the tail end. And, even though the car was described as all original, never been wrecked, we've found a few places where there were some hidden minor dents, which of course, take extra body work. But, the car was still the best of the bunch after months of searching, and was a great price for what i got.

The good part is that the car is in the best hands I could imagine have working on a car. Joe's body guy is one of the best in the business, and has an amazing eye for detail. He looks for the things I would never think to look for or ask about. I feel lucky to have the car in such capable hands.

Chassis: due to a few scheduling conflicts, we've had to reschedule bringing the chassis to the coaters. Hopefully, we can drop it off later in the week.

I spoke with Jason Rushforth about the wheels, and he thinks they'll be done in the next week and a half to two weeks. The tires are in, and are waiting at the shop to be mounted once the wheels arrive.

I also received the gauge package and new ABS overlay for the cluster from New Vintage, and HOLY COW they look cool! We are using a 6-gauge cluster, with tach and speedo in the center, and then oil / batt / volts / gas split on each side. In the dead center, we had them set us up with one of their killer indicator panels, that has turn signals on either end, and warning lights for check-engine, overheating, low oil, and brights. I'll get pictures up in the next day or so. The best part is that you don't have to hack up your dash to install them. You simply take the original plastic cluster housing out (unbolts from the dash), remove the factory gauges, and use a dremel to trim the original so that the new overlay will fit. Then use epoxy to secure it in place. Takes all of about 30 minutes from start to finish (plus wiring, but that is beside the point).

[SparkyRnD]

Thanks for this - I had no ideal MCC's belts existed. I wanted to put 3-points in my '70 Cutlass Sports Coupe, but was concerned about the odd 2-bolt upper mount point. Most aftermarket belts expect a single bolt there.
I'm assuming since you're using them that Cutlass seat belts are the same as Chevy and Pontiac A-bodies, as MCC only lists them for those two.

I had contacted MCC a while back if they had them for the Cutlass, or if the Chevelle was the same. The owner responded immediately that the Cutlass and the Chevelle were the same kit, so that is what I ordered. And honestly, I have to say that the Matt's Classic Bowtie sale was a SCREAMING deal on them. They arrived a few days after ordering, and I'm quite pleased with them. I can't wait to install them!

[Protour_Pinto]

I think the only way you will see the diff cover on a lowered protouring car is to get run over with the car going in reverse.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/DSC00085-1.jpg

[70OldsSportsCoupe]

One day last year a guy brought a recently purchased "great condition" 69 Camaro SS396 "numbers matching" car to a friend's shop for a quick look over. When I stopped by my friend brought me out to the lift to see the total rip off hack job issues on the entire car, including the street sign post that had been welded in where the frame was rotted out and the 10 bolt 8.5" rear that had been re-drilled and tapped to accept a 12 bolt cover!! Yes there were two sets of cover bolt holes under the cover! So, if you really wanted to go through the trouble this rip off mechanic did, you could always attach the W-27 cover to the 8.8... :rolleyes:

Wow. It never ceases to amaze me how much effort people will go to to deceive. Almost as much as, say, doing the right thing...

[70OldsSportsCoupe]

I had contacted MCC a while back if they had them for the Cutlass, or if the Chevelle was the same. The owner responded immediately that the Cutlass and the Chevelle were the same kit, so that is what I ordered. And honestly, I have to say that the Matt's Classic Bowtie sale was a SCREAMING deal on them. They arrived a few days after ordering, and I'm quite pleased with them. I can't wait to install them!
Thanks, I figured as much - there's not really a good reason they'd be different, but stranger things have happened in GM. MCC should probably put that on the website - they might sell a few more. I believe I'll be getting a set. They still appear to be on sale at Matt's Classic Bowties.


I think the only way you will see the diff cover on a lowered protouring car is to get run over with the car going in reverse.
Hah! Good point!

[BulldawgMusclecars]

Its funny, I had joked about an adapter to put a W27 cover on the 8.8, and painting the center section as-cast aluminum, just to :poke: the purists. They hate me enough already!


I can't imagine going to all that trouble just to pass off a rear as a 12 bolt, though.

[SparkyRnD]

then again, if someone cared about what original cover it had, then I think they would miss the point of the car altogether. Plus, the 8.8 cover we are using has stud girdles for the main caps to allow it to have much higher HP without the caps flexing). W27 down the drain :)

['71cutlasluvr]

I'm joining the party a little late guys, but just want you all to know this is a very exciting project you have going here for me. I have a '71 cutlass "S" also and had it stripped down to the bare frame and installed a Hotchkiss Extreme tvs package about 5 years ago. And there it sat due to job loss, no funds and lack of direction. I now have the means and a renewed interest in making my "S" into a competent autocrosser. Drag racing was the original plan, but too few dragstips too far away from where I live. There is an autocross facility not more than 20 miles away. :fingersx: So good luck on project Sabre. Now that I am finally registered, I hope you don't mind the occasional question. :) btw: I am soooo glad someone has come up with a way of making use of the opening for those silly pot metal faux hood scoops. I have two hoods that have them and plan on replicating your design. I hope you will make the resulting design product available to your fellow oldsmobilers. :twothumbs

[GeoffP]

Hey Sparky, my neighbor loves Cutlass's - he's got 3 right now. A 70 Cutlass Supreme factory 455 car, a 71 'vert, and a 72 factory original 442. If you ever get down this way I'm sure he'd be glad to show them to you. Glad to see the progress on yours but there sure doesn't seem to be enough time in the day to get everything done, does there??

[SparkyRnD]

'71cutlasluvr, welcome to the group! Would love to see pictures of your build (start up a thread in this section and post as many pics & details as you can). Us Olds' guys can't get enough of the A-Body threads! As for the hood heat extractors, credit for the idea goes to Jason Rushforth, the designer for Sabre. We will eventually make a bolt on replacement insert so others can do the same (of course, you'd have to modify your hood for it to function).


Geoff, never is enough time! Right now the body guy is working 8hrs a day on it, and hopefully we only have a week and change to go before it's ready to sit. Chassis still needs to go out, but will leave this week (I'll end up renting a trailer most likely and hauling it to the coaters), so hopefully it'll be done and back by the time the body guy is finished.

If I make it down your way, would love to check out his Cutlass collection.

['71cutlasluvr]

Thanks for the welcome Sparky. Kinda new at this forum thing but will try to make an attempt to post some pics soon. Thing is, body is back on frame, but now I plan on putting the body on a rottisoire (sp?) to clean up the undercoating and do the the body repairs right. But have some pics of the rolling chassis with the hotchkiss extreme tvs components sans front sway bar. Will post those.. better than nothing I guess. It's a good starting point I guess but perhaps not the best combo as technology has come so far since I put the suspension on several years ago. looking forward to see what you guys do so I start in the right direction.:idea:

Glad to hear about the heat extractors... Jason sure has some talent... His rendering of what project sabre will look like is soooo cool! The perfect stance, paint and wheels. I changed the color of his rendering to blue as my car is same and it's on my laptops desktop! It's a great motivator. Hope the project goes smoothly for all involved. btw: Does Jason design and build the wheels that are on the rendering?? They really set the whole package off. If so, Gotta save my pennies in hopes of getting a set for my project also.
:cheers:
btw: added several pics of the chassis at different stages of prep, suspension install and body on before engine install. Decided to put the 468 in the 'vert when the stock 350 became troublesome.:doh:

[SparkyRnD]

Yes, those are Rushforth wheels that he designed and has made for him. I believe the wheel company is owned by his wife, Melanie, and they work together.

[BulldawgMusclecars]

I have to say, too, that Rushforth Wheels are like jewelry. I see lots of nice wheels, but the finish on their wheels is second to none. I just got a set in for another customer recently, and I'll be using them on my own car also. Not only are they great wheels, but the Rushforths are great people to deal with.

['71cutlasluvr]

Very cool guys. Thanks for the input on Jasons wheels. If they look anything like the rendering, Sabre will be a work of art to us Cutlass fans. btw: added some of my project pics to the previous message. Not many more to justify starting a thread. The rest are on a cd somewhere. Will post on a separate thread when I find them. Added the pic of both cars just before the big block swap into the 'vert. No worries. I have a couple of 455 cores waiting for a buildup. It's only time, and $, right??:)57931

:cheers:

[Sincitycutty]

Man im loving this Thread you guys !! Giving me all kinds new ideas for my Cutlass im currently running the
Hotchkiss Extreme tvs package aswell but ever since i found this site i keep coming across new ideas and my brain has been thinking of change for my Cutlass. Cant wait to see Project Sabre finished keep up the goodwork RnD.

['71cutlasluvr]

I'm with you SinCityCutty. But.....I kind of regret buying and installing the Hotchkiss system so long ago... seems like there's a lot more options out there now. One thing I can offer about the Hotchkiss setup, although I didn't assemble the car to the point of road ready weight wise, (only the body sans glass, doors and big block with aluminum heads and tranny) I expected a more radical drop in height from stock. Way too much space between the wheels and wells. Pretty sure I can't afford an air ride system (unless it's a must have for optimum ride height), so hoping I can modify the hotchkiss system somehow to get the ride height to a more autox friendly stance. We shall see, eh? :fingersx:

C'mon Sabre! Show us what we can do with our Cutlass'!:worship:

[SparkyRnD]

Got a few updates today. We worked with New Vintage USA for a gauge cluster for Project Sabre.
Original Bezel:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/IMAG1022-1.jpg

ABS Overlay:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/IMAG1023-1.jpg

Here is what the ABS pod looks like loaded, and using one of their Indicator Panels in the center (with turn signals, high beams and warning lights).

Loaded Gauge Pod:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/IMAG1025-1.jpg

Integrated Indicator Panel:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/IMAG1029-1.jpg

[SparkyRnD]

I also ordered a front end bolt kit from Tamraz on ebay, along with a 10pc seal kit. All the seals are from MetroMMP, and are their Softseal style. I also had to buy a rubber bumper kit (hood bumpers, hood to fender bumpers, door bumpers, trunk bumper, etc) as mine were all shot.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/IMAG1061-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/IMAG1063-1.jpg

Got those and delivered to the body guy today so he can finish aligning everything. Looks like we're going to have 3-4 weeks total of bodywork due to some wavy spots and a few hidden dents that needed a good bit of work.

One of the parts of the Cutlass front fenders that always drove me crazy (not in a good way) are the pot-metal fender trim at the front. They don't match anything, they never align properly, and they always were an eyesore to me. So after talking with the body guy, we decided to have him fabricate replacements from sheet metal and weld it to the fenders, and then bodywork it for a smooth look. Here is the passenger side in a not-yet-finished state:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/IMAG1048-1.jpg

Here is what the driver side looks like before he starts:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/IMAG1050-1.jpg


Here are some updated body pictures:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/IMAG1038-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/IMAG1039-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/IMAG1040-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/IMAG1041-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/IMAG1043-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/IMAG1044-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/IMAG1045-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/IMAG1046-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/IMAG1051-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/IMAG1057-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/IMAG1058-1.jpg

[SparkyRnD]

By the way, anyone looking for an original Oldsmobile AM Radio:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/IMAG1033-1.jpg

[SRD art]

Lookin good sparky. Can't wait to see it done and colorized. ;)

[csouth]

Coming together nicely. Can't wait to see it painted.

[70OldsSportsCoupe]

One of the parts of the Cutlass front fenders that always drove me crazy (not in a good way) are the pot-metal fender trim at the front. They don't match anything, they never align properly, and they always were an eyesore to me. So after talking with the body guy, we decided to have him fabricate replacements from sheet metal and weld it to the fenders, and then bodywork it for a smooth look. Here is the passenger side in a not-yet-finished state:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/IMAG1048-1.jpg

Here is what the driver side looks like before he starts:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/IMAG1050-1.jpg


The reason for that is the '70 cutlass. That bit is chrome and matches up with the hood trim on the '70. '71 and '72, they changed the grilles and hood, but not the fenders. That's always seemed odd to me as well, but I guess it saved a few bucks for GM.

[carguykeith]

Uggg those pictures bring back memories of body work (insert shudder here)... I'm sure it's not that bad if you know what you're doing and can hit it 8 hours a day every day but doing it 2-3 hours at a time maybe once a week, all while learning what you're doing, was the worst!

[BulldawgMusclecars]

Mike from Darkdog Customs came by the shop a little while ago, checking on progress. He got the interior pieces in (carpet, kick panels, etc), so we're getting a little closer.

[HectorM52]

Woot!! Coming together quickly! Can you taste the burnt gas & rubber yet??? :)

[SparkyRnD]

I can taste the draining bank account, and knowing I'm short of the total :-)

I can see the light at the end of the tunnel, but still have a long ways to go between now and then. Next step is getting the chassis out, then finish cleaning / painting the engine and trans, assembling the engine, then all the hard lines and such, plus interior

[HectorM52]

Man, I'm sure we can all empathize with you on the bank account thing.

My current project is nearing the end and just when we thought we were slowing down on spending...we had to go buy a driveshaft, exhaust & a/c lines. All crap I can't do and not cheap stuff!!

[SparkyRnD]

I hear you. It's the last 10% that seems to take 90%

[GeoffP]

NO KIDDING on that statement Sparky... I have spent WAY more on my LS1 swap that I ever wanted or intended to for a stock build. Your car is really looking good and I can't wait to see it in person!

['71cutlasluvr]

Hey Sparky, I'm jonesin' for my fix of pics of sabre's progress! It's been several days. Got any you can share with us??:seizure:

btw: That gauge insert is way cool! Please be sure there are plenty made so I can buy one. :fingersx:

[SparkyRnD]

I don't have any updated body pics, but should in the next day or two. Chassis hasn't gone to powder coating yet, I believe Joe is waiting on the use of a trailer so he can haul mine and a few others to the coaters.

I did get tracking for the wheels that shipped out yesterday:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/RushforthSixShooter-1.jpg


I also updated our project website in the gallery section:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/AprFolder-1.jpg (http://www.projectsabre.com/Apr12.html)

[CornHusker4Life]

Those wheels are sweet. Can not wait to see them on

[SparkyRnD]

you and me both! The tires are already at the store, ready to be installed as soon as the wheels arrive.

[csouth]

Wheels came out great. I was going to go without hardware, but think it looks better on wheel like yours with less spokes.

[SparkyRnD]

thanks, I love them. Part of me wants the hardware, but most of me likes it without on this specific set.

[csouth]

Yeah, Jason was able to send me a pic of a set of Rated X without hardware, so it helped with my decision.

[SparkyRnD]

I figure, if we all have the hardware, they'll all start to look the same, too. I like that there is some difference, as it appears all of us Cutlass owners will be sporting Rushforths (this is a good thing, to separate us all from the pimped-out homey rides)

[GeoffP]

The wheels look great Sparky! I am SO going to have to drive up and see your car sometime!

[deejai35]

I love the wheels. I'm partial to gold wheels and the polished lips. Nice.

[SparkyRnD]

The gold on the wheels will also be matched on the hood stripes and on the engine / trans, as a throwback to the gold on the 350 Rocket's.

[deejai35]

The gold on the wheels will also be matched on the hood stripes and on the engine / trans, as a throwback to the gold on the 350 Rocket's.

Nice tie in!

['71cutlasluvr]

Ok Sparky. I know how it is when you're on a project... Post pics when you can...

But Man! Those wheels are the coolest! And I agree with Chris.... sans hardware makes them real clean and uncluttered IMHO.... it really works with that style of spoked wheel. I noticed in the rendering there wasn't any hardware either... or anything I could see anyway... Jason really nailed the look in the drawing and staying true to the concept is the way to go. Now that I see them as they will appear on project sabre, there's no turning back... the $ will be obtained one way or the other. My wife is gonna kill me though, but it'll be worth it. :machine:

As you say, we olds guys will all stand out from the rest with Jason's wheels on our rides. Something to look forward to, I'd say. :fingersx:

[SparkyRnD]

Can't wait to see yours done up as well!

Update: the chassis is now at the powder coaters! Dropped it off about an hour and a half ago, and it should be ready in 10-14 working days as the coater's are super busy right now. Going with a semi-gloss black

[ent72olds]

:twothumbs
The gold on the wheels will also be matched on the hood stripes and on the engine / trans, as a throwback to the gold on the 350 Rocket's.

Awesome idea! Glad to see you are trying to keep some of the specific olds details alive.....I'm still waiting on someone to do an LS swap into an Olds, and paint it Olds Gold or Blue....ooops! You will be the first!

[SparkyRnD]

Edit: I see you caught it ;-)

[BulldawgMusclecars]

Speaking of gold....

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/04/IMG_1208-1.jpg

The brown truck just dropped these off today...more wheel art by Rushforth! Jason and Melanie do an awesome job. Sparky is tied up today, but hopefully we'll see these with the new rubber on them in a day or so!

['71cutlasluvr]

Joe,

That is a thing of beauty! Well, that clinches it.... that is the wheel that's going on my '71 S! Maybe with a titanium center though .....Does Jason add a clearcoat to the painted surface for longevity? I am assuming it is paint rather than powder coat.

Thanks for the pic.

[BulldawgMusclecars]

Hi Gus,

Its powdercoat, so a clearcoat won't be needed. Jason has several options on color and finishes, so give him a call. This is the 2nd set of wheels we have received from Rushforth, and we couldn't be happier with them.

[csouth]

Looking really good over there guys...I'm so jealous...lol

[GeoffP]

Love it - this car is going to be VERY cool! Sparky, you simply have to bring it down to my place to show my neighbor. I am sure he would love to see it!

Joe - out of curiosity, what's the build time for Rushforth wheels?

['71cutlasluvr]

Hi Gus,

Its powdercoat, so a clearcoat won't be needed. Jason has several options on color and finishes, so give him a call. This is the 2nd set of wheels we have received from Rushforth, and we couldn't be happier with them.

Well I'm doubly impressed. I do some amateur home powdercoating of brackets, intakes, rocker covers and stuff and have never seen a powder finish that has a metalflake sparkle that is so well distributed throughout the powder that makes it look that close to paint. I agree Joe... no need for clear when the powder looks that good. :cheers:
It will be quite a while before I will be ready to buy the wheels, but now I know who will be getting the order. :)

Thanks for the info Joe.
Gus

[BulldawgMusclecars]

Love it - this car is going to be VERY cool! Sparky, you simply have to bring it down to my place to show my neighbor. I am sure he would love to see it!

Joe - out of curiosity, what's the build time for Rushforth wheels?

About 6 weeks.

[SparkyRnD]

I had seen Rushforth wheels many years ago, and even contacted him for a now-defunct project that I wanted to buy his wheels for, but the timing & budget weren't right back then. On this build, I knew I wanted Jason to create the rendering concept, and I knew I wanted to run his wheels. And I have to say, I am 100% pleased on both accounts, as he exceeded my expectations on both sides.

['71cutlasluvr]

6 weeks is pretty quick for a custom set of wheels...well worth the wait. :)

[SparkyRnD]

Yep. And, considering this vendor SHIPPED what I ORDERED (unlike a former vendor on this forum did to other people), I'm super happy.

['71cutlasluvr]

Yep. And, considering this vendor SHIPPED what I ORDERED (unlike a former vendor on this forum did to other people), I'm super happy.

Thanks for weeding out the bad apples before my/our arrival Sparky...much appreciated.:worship:

[ehummelman]

Hey Sparky/Joe, do you guys have any pics of that interior yet? I'm really curious to see that guy's work.

[SparkyRnD]

No, we haven't started the interior. The builder has all the materials, but we need the body back so we can mock up and modify the seats / seat bases. Once those are installed and we know they work, they will start on the interior.

[SparkyRnD]

Got word today, the chassis is done at the powder coaters! Joe is going to pick it up on Wednesday, so we should see pics of it Wednesday evening! the body man finished the rough-in body work, and the car is now back at Bulldawg's shop. I will also be going by the shop tomorrow evening and we are going to mock up the seat to figure out mounting. I'm also going to order the front pans in the next few days so we can get that going as well. Looks like we can move full steam ahead!

[GeoffP]

Go! Go! Go! :)

[SparkyRnD]

Joe sent a message today, they got the chassis and he said it looked beautiful. Can't wait to see pictures!

I will also upload some pictures of the roughed-in body work tomorrow. We're going to let it sit and cure for 30 days, and around May 27th it'll be ready to start finish body work.

During that time, the upholsterer will be working on the interior (which will be pulled before finish body work), and Bulldawg will be reassembling the chassis, suspension, running fuel & brake lines, installing wheels / tires, and cleaning / painting / assembling the engine and trans. Once they have them installed, I'm going to measure for and get the driveshaft modified (both in length, and also changing to the Explorer style flange from a Ford). I will also clean up and rattle-can the rear axle during that time too.

[csouth]

:twothumbs

Awesome idea! Glad to see you are trying to keep some of the specific olds details alive.....I'm still waiting on someone to do an LS swap into an Olds, and paint it Olds Gold or Blue....ooops! You will be the first!

Plenty of LS Cutlass out there. Schwartz Perrfomance built a pro-touring Cutlass Supreme with a 600hp LS7 that he stroked to 455 for nostalgia sake. It was a popular hotrodding feature.
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/features/0909phr_1971_oldsmobile_cutlass/index.html





Joe sent a message today, they got the chassis and he said it looked beautiful. Can't wait to see pictures!

I will also upload some pictures of the roughed-in body work tomorrow. We're going to let it sit and cure for 30 days, and around May 27th it'll be ready to start finish body work.

During that time, the upholsterer will be working on the interior (which will be pulled before finish body work), and Bulldawg will be reassembling the chassis, suspension, running fuel & brake lines, installing wheels / tires, and cleaning / painting / assembling the engine and trans. Once they have them installed, I'm going to measure for and get the driveshaft modified (both in length, and also changing to the Explorer style flange from a Ford). I will also clean up and rattle-can the rear axle during that time too.

Whats going on over there Sparky? We need new pics... :razz:

[SparkyRnD]

Yep, been slammed the last week or so. Just left Joe's shop and the chassis is there on the floor, ready to start getting the suspension bolted back up, and the tires should be mounted late this week or early next. Seats should be installed this week, and then dropped off at the upholsterer (waiting as he has another project that has to leave his shop before he has room for Sabre). Pics of the body will be uploaded tomorrow.

[SRD art]

:drool:

[ent72olds]

[QUOTE=csouth;906094]Pleanty of LS Cutlass out there. Schwartz Perrfomance built a pro-touring Cutlass Supreme with a 600hp LS7 that he stroked to 455 for nostalgia sake. It was a popular hotrodding feature.
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/features/0909phr_1971_oldsmobile_cutlass/index.html

Yea...I've seen that awesome ride! There are quite a few LS conversions out there, but this will be the first I've seen with the engine painted olds colors!
:look:

[SparkyRnD]

I knew about Jeff's notch back from when it was first built, and wanted to have something that was equally as cool, but looked very different (to me there is no point in building the same thing everyone else has; it has to be different enough to not be compared to others). While we both share gold wheels, I think there is enough difference between them that they'll stand apart very well.

Btw, does Jeff still own that Cutlass?

[csouth]

[QUOTE=csouth;906094]Pleanty of LS Cutlass out there. Schwartz Perrfomance built a pro-touring Cutlass Supreme with a 600hp LS7 that he stroked to 455 for nostalgia sake. It was a popular hotrodding feature.
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/features/0909phr_1971_oldsmobile_cutlass/index.html

Yea...I've seen that awesome ride! There are quite a few LS conversions out there, but this will be the first I've seen with the engine painted olds colors!
:look:

I'm wondering if its because a lot of the swaps I've seen have been aluminum block/head and people just don't want to paint them?


I knew about Jeff's notch back from when it was first built, and wanted to have something that was equally as cool, but looked very different (to me there is no point in building the same thing everyone else has; it has to be different enough to not be compared to others). While we both share gold wheels, I think there is enough difference between them that they'll stand apart very well.

Btw, does Jeff still own that Cutlass?

That was built for a customer, I followed that build on his website when it was in progress. There is definitely enough difference between the 2 where they will not be mistaken.

[BulldawgMusclecars]

Here are a few pics of the frame:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/05/IMG_1329-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/05/IMG_1330-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/05/IMG_1331-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/05/IMG_1332-1.jpg

Coating was done by Pro Cryo http://www.procryo.com in semi-gloss black.

['71cutlasluvr]

I read the Popular Hot rodding article... very cool Chris, thanks, but I have to work with my stock frame, so it's a bit over the top for me with the double tubular frame and such. That's why project Sabre is so much better for guys like us (limited funds).

['71cutlasluvr]

Frame looks great Joe. Thanks for the pics.
:kewlpics:

[BulldawgMusclecars]

Its a little dusty in the pics, but we'll dust it off once we get the suspension back in. Its in progress right now. We were going to bring the body back up to the shop today (its stored in my personal garage now), but its raining...AGAIN...and I didn't want to take any chances with getting it wet.

[csouth]

Its a little dusty in the pics, but we'll dust it off once we get the suspension back in. Its in progress right now. We were going to bring the body back up to the shop today (its stored in my personal garage now), but its raining...AGAIN...and I didn't want to take any chances with getting it wet.

The frame came out nice. I'm sure you have plenty of work ahead in getting the suspension installed so there's time....lol

[csouth]

I read the Popular Hot rodding article... very cool Chris, thanks, but I have to work with my stock frame, so it's a bit over the top for me with the double tubular frame and such. That's why project Sabre is so much better for guys like us (limited funds).

Yeah, there is definitely more than one way to build a PT car. Schwartz chassis were always a few grand cheaper back then, either way would still be out of my budget....lol

[BulldawgMusclecars]

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/05/IMG_1333-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/05/IMG_1334-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/05/IMG_1335-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/05/IMG_1337-1.jpg

[GeoffP]

N-i-c-e!

[SparkyRnD]

My baby!! The chassis looked cool last night when I swung by, but MAN it looks killer with the RideTech components installed!

[SRD art]

Here are a few pics of the frame:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/05/IMG_1332-1.jpg



Dang Jeremy, I need a few welding lessons from the Master, that there's be-utiful!

Coming along nicely. No frame boxing?

[SparkyRnD]

No frame boxing?

Nope

[csouth]

Sparky, you must be chompin' at the bit over there....

[CruizinKev]

looking good Joe! good work so far man! :twothumbs

[SparkyRnD]

I'm super excited, and it's great to see it coming back together