Baer's new 6 piston caliper ?

[datsbad]

I am about to order one of these kits . does anyone have any pics of what they look like? they said they are offering 13.5 , 14 and 15" rotor options .
also the rear are now coming with a dual piston 13" rotor up from a single piston and 12" . i am excited
much cheaper than those alcons they used to sell . can anyone help ?

[quadfather]

very similar to the alcon but they have dust seals and anti rattle clips for the pads .they should be pretty nice .

[c.schulz]

Awesome Id like to see this also.Im thinking of upgrading my brakes.The old track system is looking old.

Chris

[jeffandre]

I need to know the piston sizes...

[TitoJones]

I have a set on order for a 6 piston S caliper with 15" 2pc rotors for the front, and a 6 piston 14" rear for a 67 Camaro. Baer said it would ship last month, but they are still not here. When they show (possibly in April last I checked) I'll post up all I can on them.

Tyler

[Van B]

I also have a set on order, 13" front with 6 piston calipers, and 13"rear. Will post when received.

[HOT OHC]

also have a set on order, 13" front with 6 piston calipers, and 13"rear. Will post when received.

Could you be so kind to tell us what the cost is? I am sure others would like to know too.

Thanks

[Mean 69]

It is my understanding that the new six pot calipers have the same size pistons as the Alcon's they used previously (imagine that). Someone that gets a new set can substantiate that, but the piston sizes in my Alcon units are 1.188, 1.375, 1.625 for a total effective piston area (count one side only for fixed caliper designs) of 4.67", squared. For comparison, a C4 front PBR has an effective area of 3.51 in2, and the C5 units are 3.89 in2.

15" rotor! Whew! Dat's big.... 20" wheels required?

Mark

[TitoJones]

Mark-

Yeah, it is running a 20x10 and a 20x12 combo with C5 front suspension, and C4 rear IRS. Should be wicked when done, as I managed to get the entire big block to sit behind the front axle center line.

Tyler

[datsbad]

pics sure would be nice

[protour_chevelle]

What I want to see is a kit like Brembo built for the A/B-bodies. We're struggling to clear calipers on 12 inch rotors in a 16inch rim, 13inch rotors in a 17inch wheel, etc. The Beemer and Mercedes are clearing massive rotors with 17/18 inch wheels. Make that technology work for our cars. Would be bad ass.

Mind you, I think 6 piston calipers in the rear is overkill. Even 6 piston fronts are overkill for what most cars see. So why would I want that big ass brake set-up by a top end euro company. odd. Just my opinion though. Dont get me wrong I'll build something overkill but I dont have money to buy things just to say I do. I'm happy with 2 pistons up front and singles in the back.

-Matt

[USAZR1]

Movit-DE offers Brembo brake kits for A-bodies. I've seen a 15" rotor kit with their six piston calipers. http://www.movit.de/htm/homefut2.htm

[TitoJones]

pics sure would be nice

Sorry they are so late, but here they are:



Let me know if you want pics of the car as well.

Tyler

[David Sloan]

Come on Tyler!!!
Give us the car porn!!!!!!!

[wendell]

This is a general question; has any one been able to take advantage of these huge rear brakes? 4.6 inches of piston area? How does all the force get put down on the road? I've got a buddy that races vintage T/A and he's dithering the heck out of his little 4 pots to get decent balance w/ hoosier slicks.

As I'm currently researching realistic braking options for my 67RS, I'd be interested to hear some driving impressions and/or 60-0 distances that these big brakes are getting.

Any input is appriciated.
Tyler- spy photos look hot.

J

[CFster]

Sometimes people have the wrong idea about 4 and 6 piston calipers. It's not the number of pistons, but the total area that determines clamping force. There are single piston floating calipers that have more clamping force (all else being equal) than a 4 piston Wilwood Dynalite. There are however other factors that make the Wilwoods better for some applications.

Ideally, rear brakes should have a piston area between 50% and 75% the size of the front piston area. And even when you're approaching 75% usually a proportioning valve is required to prevent the rears from locking up.

Anything more is just overkill. There just isn't enough traction back there under braking.

Sure looks nice though...

[68RallySport]

Ya we want pictures of the car!!! Man those things look awsome, now someone lend me the huge price tag and ill use them....

[TitoJones]

Alright, jeez- twist my arm already..

The car is a 67 Camaro, with a C5 Wayne Due front end, and a C4 Dana 44 IRS rear. The engine is a aluminum BBC, backed by a G force T56 and McLeod bellhousing. We used Global West SFC's, and added 20" wheels.
The car basicly a race car for the street so we put the big block behind the front axle centerline with engine plates.
The owner is also a fan of the low flared look, with multi spoke 20" rims, so we had some concept art done by John McBride, and Kris Horton:

This one was to try and get the wheel design just right. We had 3 others custom designs, but this was the chosen one.

This next design was to get a feel for how wide the client wanted to stretch his fender flares:


Here is a shot of the under car from the front forward. If you look closely, you can see the crank balancer is even with the front control arms. The frame is Wayne Due, the Trans is an LS1 unit with G force internals, the SFC's are Global West, and the rear is a Wayne Due weld in kit with a 96 C4 Dana 44 IRS.


This is a better look at the C5 front suspension. We changed little on the suspension to make the geometry as good as it can be. Rack placement dictated engine setback, but turned out to be benifical for weight distribution.


This is the engine behind the front axle centerline. Getting the egine and T56 to fit required lots of cutting. This car will be geting a fully fabricated floor, firewall and trunk.


Showing the setback of the engine into the firewall, and T56 tunnel mods


This is the massive 20x13" rim wrapped with Pirelli 345/25/ZR/20 tires.


front and rear 20" rims on the car. Offset was made to stick wheels out of the wells so the car could get a wider 70's style Trans am fender flare, per the client's request. Car has no weight in it (engine block is plastic, and the car is not on the ground in that pic) so it looks like a 4x4, but it will not be.


Rear underside view of rims and tires, as well as the C4 IRS install.


Wheel and tire stance before setting car on the ground.


Hope that satisfy's your car porn needs.


Tyler

[David Sloan]

Yep!! Just about there!!! :bsjerk:
I love this Shiiiiiit!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks!!!

[Jagarang]

Where does the gas pedal GO? Oh and those pesky things we humans call legs! Looks like a tough drive unless your "Mini Me". Do you have plans for legroom and pedal placement allready?