ATS Project 50/50

[TitoJones]

Alrighty Boys and Girls. The death threats (https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32325) have started to become less frequent over the weekend, and I feel I can now reward your understanding of my twisted humor with a short story and a ton of pics.

Those who are not aware of my (never-ending-never-finished) Project 50/50 Camaro- here is the cliff notes:

Sept 1999- Car is sent to Wayne Due's Chassis shop in Maryland, WA for a complete tube chassis build based on a C5 corvette.
Mar 2002- chassis is completed and sent to Tustin, CA for carbon Fiber body kit prototyping.
April 2003- car is rescued from crooked body kit shop and delivered to secondary garage for completion of body molds.
Feb 2004- Car is again rescued from 2nd crooked body kit garage and trailed home. All bare steel is covered in rust, vehicle condition is poor.
Feb 2004-October 2008- Car sits in garage under car cover. I try to forget about all the money & time lost on project and wince every time people bring up my failed car on the internet.
Nov 2008- car is trailer to Ironworks in Bakersfield for some modifications to the sheetmetal and rollcage.

So there is the VERY condensed version. It could go on and on for almost 4 pages, some good humored times, some slit your wrist times, some kill everyone within a 3 mile radius times.

Rodger is one of the few people I trust for my personal projects. We met in 2006 and I just knew that this man had talent and determination. Seeing the work come out of his shop for the past 2 years and the numerous 2 hour phone calls we've had discussing our ideas, Rodger suggested I let him have a crack at the car.

He 'stole' it from my storage space during the week of the 08 SEMA show and took it back to Bakersfield. When it arrived the roll cage was promptly cut out of the vehicle. I'll show you why in a few posts....

Here is the car as it sat under the car cover for the past 4 years. All the brown is surface rust from being outside near the ocean for over a year.

Engine setback and firewall:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/2z8uu6r-1.jpg

Rear transaxle cover, rear main roll cage hoop and floor:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/j96ek4-1.jpg

Engine compartment with front down bars that don't clear the tires under full lock:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/w21yfd-1.jpg

So it needs a slight re do in a few spots. No big deal. More to follow....

Tyler

[TitoJones]

The roll cage. It was built to standards not completely approved by any racing sanctioning body. One of the reasons for not passing tech would be this little gem:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/j6rlfn-1.jpg

Yes. That is indeed an entire Sharpie marker stuffed into the non-notched-grand-canyon-sized gap of the tube joint. That is just one of many slight blunders of fabrication that went into my $14K chassis and roll cage.
Other fun facts include:

Inner frame too narrow to fit an actual exhaust system.
Front down bars hit both front tires when turning.
Frame rails made of 2x4 and 3x3 .120 wall metal (tank chassis)
Front A pillar down tubes leave under 10 inches of room for 3 pedals
Large gaps in joints of roll cage
Sheetmetal doubled up in most places for strength (tank floor)
Chassis could be built lighter and stronger with even lower ride height.

Here are more cool pics from the cage:

Don't worry about the MIG wire, it will add strength over time.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/v4sbi0-1.jpg

What?!? Seriously? Come the 'F' on....
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/2hmodio-1.jpg

How does this get the thumbs up to be shipped to a client?

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/23wjpl0-1.jpg

Frame pics next...

Tyler

[TitoJones]

Tank frame by Wayne. None of you can tell me that Wayne didn't build it strong enough. He used some serious wall thickness on the frame rails and added beef like it was going out of style. The car was a bit over weight for my standards, so it got put on a diet.

The 50/50 Camaro before it goes onto the frame table for its new chassis:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/2wm2mja-1.jpg

Here is the M1A1 Abrams C5 chassis:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/ziwsns-1.jpg

It had to be a bitch to cut that thing out in one piece. I'm surprised they were able to do so. If anyone would like it, make me an offer.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/212hg5g-1.jpg

Rodger and his crew have done a tube chassis once before and took some lessons from them to create this new tube frame. This is the rear. The front will be very similar. I think he shed 50% of the cars weight just by making a new frame for it.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/vxc01u-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/bvqbr-1.jpg

Tyler

[TitoJones]

So here is the money shot for me. I've never had a chance to put the HRE 542R wheels on the car before as I never purchased any tires. I plan to race this car so I figured get some tires that will do me right on the road courses.

I picked up some Michelin road race slicks from a former LeMans C5R Corvette to fir the 18x12 and 18x9.5 HRE wheels. Rodger mocked them up on the frame table now that the car is on it. Rocker to ground is 6.5 inches. Roof height will be about 47.5 inches from the ground.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/28vx5dc-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/20rwzrq-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/24v60hz-1.jpg

That is all as of Today. Progress will be updated as I get pics from Rodger.

Tyler

[David Sloan]

Congrats Tyler!
I sure you are in good hands now!
Cant wait to watch this thing get built.

[brrymnvette]

I always wondered what happened to this unicorn.

[69Nova]

Very cool Tyler. Glad to hear you didn't give up. Whats the plans for the engine?

[LMDGUY]

are you joking about that roll cage? lol

[Damn True]

That old chassis would be good for a salt car.

[PhillipM]

Holy cow! I thought this car was lost and probably underground with other forgotten projects. Also, who would have thought that you needed to supply a sample photo of how bars should fit on the cage they are building for you! Gosh! You know.. something like this! Haha

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/DSC02154Small-1.jpg

[Chad-1stGen]

I think video updates are in order... :)

Tyler with that sales pitch on the frame I'm sure people are beating down your door/inbox to buy it off you...

[TonyL]

Looking good Tyler! Woot!

[Yelcamino]

Cool! Glad to see you on back on the road to completion! Do you have an ETA to completion or just letting the chips fall?

[andrewb70]

Nice to see it coming together finally. Don't make it "too" nice if you plan on racing it!

Andrew

[6'9"Witha69]

I thought you wanted it Able to survive a land mine hit?! There goes that idea.

Good to see you getting something done for yourself after everything you put into this hobby.

[lh_kustoms]

Tyler glad to see this back on track.... glad to see you building one for yourself

[novanutcase]

Tyler,

I almost had Wayne make me a frame also. Thank god that didn't happen! I found out about Rodger when I saw his truck build on Lat-G and since he was fairly close to me I figured I'd go up and check out what he was doing. In the course of about 5 minutes of talking to him I knew he was the the guy for the job. He's one of the few that can tread the fine line of new school/old school. This is what got my car up to his shop. I knew he would take it to a level I couldn't even imagine.

Be careful! Now that it's their you're going to find out what is truly possible! LOL!

Congratulations! I know you're in good hands!

The only thing that sucks about all this is now us Nova boys are gonna get shoved back into the shadows! DAMMIT!!!! LOL!

John

[BrianP]

Lesson learned here: keep the stock subframe and throw on some ATS spindles (I hear they're pretty nice).

[WILWAXU]

Congrats on the progress!

[Damn True]

Should we merge the two 50/50 threads?

[TonyL]

Should we merge the two 50/50 threads?

I wouldn't. The old thread's for a whole different 50/50. This is a whole new balla wax, so to speak.

[Steve68]

Congrats Tyler, I always bug you about that old green car when I call, good to see the progress on it, I would have had to kick some ass when it was left by the ocean, thats just wrong,

[Ron S]

Its funny how only acouple years go by,and the project seems obsolete {in your mind anyway}.Things really change from the time you start the project and the time you finish.Never saw the chassis pics before,but I like the tank chassis,it looks just like my mustang chassis.Crazy how this was the cutting edge when you started,and now 5 or 6 manufactures make c5 frames.Glad to see the thing being done,I always loved the project.Ron

[TitoJones]

Ironworks is SLOW. They already have the rear suspension 80% done. They have had the car for 2 weeks.

Old T56 transaxle and rear frame.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

New T56 transaxle and rear frame assembly.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/1zml6ba-1.jpg

More of the old config:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

And the new:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/10ndfts-1.jpg

Old chassis again:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

More new:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/2iaq5j9-1.jpg

So the new chassis is wicked. We are thinking about doing the cantilever style coil over mounts in the front and rear. I'll keep you updated as I get pics to post.

Tyler

[novanutcase]

OH! YOU ARE SO F***ED!!! LOL!

Looks killer!!!

John

[gearheads78]

Glad to see you are back on it. Roger and crew do amazing work from what I see on line.

[Damn True]

The shame is that all that great looking structural work will be hidden.

[protour_chevelle]

something bugs me about that frame... It looks great and all but I see it on every single one of their projects.

Looks wicked and I'm hugely glad that you are finally being taken care of!

[MCMLXIX]

Tyler,
You need to make sure the put a clear plexiglass floor in the trunk to you can see everything... Canitlevered shocks rule!

[68RS350]

Hey, Why did you guys take out the rear inner quarters panels with the rear window tracks in them? Are you planning on making new ones or just not putting the tracks back in?

[ironworks]

With the ride height we are using and the tire size the wheel tubs will take up that space pretty well. it also made removal of the stock upper wheel tubs easier. Plus with the theme Tyler wants to do I'm sure we will see Lots of Lexan and other attempts to lighten the car as light as possible. Tyler is already talking air jacks and other truely race inspire ideas.

Stay tuned

[PhillipM]

Tyler are you thinking Silver State with this beast or what is your direction?? -Phillip

[Rybar]

Tylers a madman, I wanna see this car clean up at one of the future track events.

[TitoJones]

Front cradle, engine and control arms laid in place on the chassis table:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/12/vrsd1x-1.jpg

Rear bracing to keep the shell from flexing. Rear transaxle in place and suspension tacked up:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/12/jp8m7t-1.jpg

Drivers side door- looking in where the dash once lived. You can see the boxed in rocker panels, and tube frame merging toward the front.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/12/2ey7ur8-1.jpg

Phillip-

Plans for the car are to drive the piss out of it. I'd like to do the Silver State Classic race, Optima Challange after SEMA, One Lap, and any and all HPDE events I can.

Tyler

[Steve1968LS2]

Tylers a madman, I wanna see this car clean up at one of the future track events.

Bring it on! lol


Hey, your car looks familiar.. I think I just saw it in a magazine.. ;)

[PhillipM]

Plans for the car are to drive the piss out of it. I'd like to do the Silver State Classic race, Optima Challange after SEMA, One Lap, and any and all HPDE events I can.

Tyler

Sounds good Tyler, I am in the same boat with my car. Also, it was good to meet you in person at the Pro-Touring dinner.

Looking good!

[Damn True]

In light of our recent discussions I assume this has already, or is going to be fixed?

[ironworks]

Nope that there is a grade 8 bolt, it dose not even need a tab to mount it. So a single shear tab is over kill already. (PLEASE READ THIS COMMENT IN A DEEP FOREST GUMP ACCENT)

I believe you have to finish something in order to ask if it needs to be "Fixed". Just to be clear we do plan to weld the chassis also which has not been done at this point either. We also plan to get some other tube locations figured so that we can incorporate the Transverse shock mounts into the tab that will go there. "TACK WELDS" are our buddies. Sorry if we are not good enough to think all this through before hand. Thanks

[evsmotors]

Great work guys! I'm sure you guys know what you are doing. Its just natural people question things they do not understand fully. I get that a lot. Can't wait to see it done Tyler.

[Vegas69]

I don't think many would expect you or Tyler to do anything sinlge sheer or half ass.

[Steve1968LS2]

So, what's the ETA.. before the next SEMA show perhaps??? :)

[SatisTraction]

the new chassis is looking great. cant wait to see it finished with all the ATS goodies.

[Damn True]

Nope that there is a grade 8 bolt, it dose not even need a tab to mount it. So a single shear tab is over kill already. (PLEASE READ THIS COMMENT IN A DEEP FOREST GUMP ACCENT)

I believe you have to finish something in order to ask if it needs to be "Fixed". Just to be clear we do plan to weld the chassis also which has not been done at this point either. We also plan to get some other tube locations figured so that we can incorporate the Transverse shock mounts into the tab that will go there. "TACK WELD" are our buddy. Sorry if we are not good enough to think all this through before hand. Thanks


Untwist your shorts pal.

Just offering help to Tyler. Everyone, even the best, occasionally misses something.

[Paul_J]

I read that response first and then read HOW to read it " In a deep Forrest Gump accent." I actually read it out loud! :rotfl:

Thanks for the Sunday morning laugh. Now my wife thinks I need help....

[Restomod]

People are getting REALLY touchy around here lately......cant comment about grade 8 bolts cant tell someone $80k for a unfinnished car is going to be hard to get...........

[Kenova]

People are getting REALLY touchy around here lately...........
I think we are all getting a little cranky and stressed out to some extent. Considering the events of the past year, I'm not surprised. More than once I've had second thoughts about the tone of the few postings I make. Maybe being slow at the key board is a good thing.

Ken

[compos mentis]

Agreed Ken.

More often than not, at least on the internet, the best thing to do or say is nothing.

That helps put out fires and it doesn't start them.

[MCMLXIX]

First post for 2009! Where are the update pics?!?!?

[greenramp]

I would like to see something as well

[WS6]

I think a better question would be what are the plans for the car now that you've had to close ATS, Tyler? I hope this car will still be completed but don't you dare put money into it if you have don't have the important things in life funded first

[ProTouring442]

Untwist your shorts pal.

Just offering help to Tyler. Everyone, even the best, occasionally misses something.

Reread it.... It's tongue-in-cheek. Don't worry, I thought it was serious at first too.

Shiny Side Up!
Bill

[Gordz32]

Tyler, I'm glad to see this car going somewhere. Congrats and can't wait to see whats to come of it. Ironworks does some killer work!

[calforniacuda]

Nice project, but from a performance standpoint how is it better than a C5?

[MCMLXIX]

Nice project, but from a performance standpoint how is it better than a C5?

Its better because its a 68 Camaro!!:enguard:

[Restomod]

Nice project, but from a performance standpoint how is it better than a C5?

Dont know about the performance BUT I can tell you it will be easier to get in and out of..........

[6'9"Witha69]

Dont know about the performance BUT I can tell you it will be easier to get in and out of..........
And have more style!

[greenramp]

Don't compare the C5 to the Camaro rather compare a modernized C5 Camaro to an old Camaro, then you see the difference.

[ironworks]

There are some fairly recent pics on my website for those that are interested.

www.ironworksspeedandkustom.com (http://www.ironworksspeedandkustom.com)

I know we have done some work since the the last update I will see if I can get them onto my website today.

Rodger

[1971CHEVELLE]

website looks very cool
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

looks awesome

[calforniacuda]

Throw a procharger, or a magnacharger on there and really kick ass.

[icebird84]

cool looking website and many excellent project including this one, I love it
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

[brrymnvette]

Updates?

[James OLC]

Updates?

can be found in the For Sale section...

[TitoJones]

I'm trying to sell one of my 2 68 Camaros; either this one sells and funds the Chicane-LM project, or the Chicane sells and funds the 50/50 project.

EDIT: The black daily driven 68 (aka Chicane-LM) has been sold. 50/50 will once again move forward at Ironworks. I can't stress enough how important it is to work with the right shop. Rodger was beyond understanding, professional, and accommodating while I figured out what to do with a stalled out project. I hear all the time people saying how they can't afford high end shops like Ironworks; I'll tell you first hand you can't afford NOT to go to a shop of this caliber. How many re-do's have I had to do between the chassis shop and body kit? Two and three respectively, and after being burned over and over on this obsession I learned what makes a good shop.

Tune in as we crack open the vault that stores the 5-time-world-champion-of-stalled-projects, eleven-years-and-counting-in-the-making, lighter-weight-than-ever-before, 1968 Camaro known as 50/50.

Tyler

[TitoJones]

We are back!

Tyler

[parsonsj]

Awesome dude!!! Let's get those updates coming in!

jp

[John Wright]

Awesome dude!!! Let's get those updates coming in!

jp+1....looking forward to seeing this car finished!

[dipren443]

WOOHOO!!! Pics, we want pics :)

[1badchevelle]

you teez.......

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

EDIT: I can't stress enough how important it is to work with the right shop. Rodger was beyond understanding, professional, and accommodating while I figured out what to do with a stalled out project. I hear all the time people saying how they can't afford high end shops like Ironworks; I'll tell you first hand you can't afford NOT to go to a shop of this caliber. How many re-do's have I had to do between the chassis shop and body kit? Two and three respectively, and after being burned over and over on this obsession I learned what makes a good shop.


If only I knew this... all take notes.

[MrQuick]

good to hear Tyler, just to let you know that times have changed a bit since its been out. C5 suspensions are outdated and LS power plants have been replaced by Mr Fusion thermal units....oh and I have a phased plasma rifle waiting for you...in the 40 watt range of course.

Vince

[nicks67camaro]

Glad to see it moving in a good direction.

[TitoJones]

Moar pictures!!

I didn't post these from the build earlier in the year.

Front suspension tubes getting laid out:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/05/izw9w0-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/05/sz8igo-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/05/33m3j0m-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/05/2iafpkj-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/05/lieps-1.jpg

Inner frame structure going together, as well as the tubes for the floor etc.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/05/23ht3jl-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/05/2qa04fd-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/05/fumjnt-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/05/2wnshs5-1.jpg

Adding cage main hoop, down bars, and tubing to attach wheel tubs/body to:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/05/643qc9-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/05/2pz9zb4-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/05/24lr250-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/05/2jg8enm-1.jpg

That's all for now.

Tyler

[TitoJones]

Rodger at Ironworks stepped in to post even more recent pics that even I had not yet seen.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/05/2172009shoppics010-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/05/2172009shoppics009-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/05/2172009shoppics008-1.jpg

Tyler

[WS6]

Glad to know it is back on Tyler. Good luck with everything.

[PhillipM]

Rodger at Ironworks stepped in to post even more recent pics that even I had not yet seen.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/05/2172009shoppics010-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/05/2172009shoppics009-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/05/2172009shoppics008-1.jpg

Tyler

Broken links?

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

aaaaahhh!

good to see this back on track.. but make sure those bucks go as far as they can!

[JohnUlaszek]

You're going to need front and rear wheel barrows.

[nvmyss]

:)
Bout time
I know where I'm going to stop next time in Bako!

[BA.]

great news!

I love all that work on the frame.....that is sooo cool!

[Scott Parkhurst]

SO glad to see it moving forward again Amigo! KILLA!!

[MCMLXIX]

bitchin' camaro!!

I actually saw Tyler's car when it was in Wayne Due's shop up in Wahington... before I knew about this site or Tyler...

[David Sloan]

Oh yea!
So happy to see you be able to get back on this thing!
Congrats Tyler!

You got the will you can make it happen. just dont keep changing the plan so the cost goes out of site.(like some i know) no good for anybody you are the shop that doesn't get to finish it

[colt zantop]

wow...glad to see this car going again..this was one of the cars (not to mention steves blue 69 :) )that inspired me to do an LS1 !!!

[JEFFTATE]

Congrats Tyler !!
I've always wanted to see Project 50/50 make progress..
It's quite an inspiration ..
Thanks !!

[MrQuick]

I just hope Tyler goes with the Red this time around.


Vince

[novanutcase]

I can't stress enough how important it is to work with the right shop. Rodger was beyond understanding, professional, and accommodating while I figured out what to do with a stalled out project. I hear all the time people saying how they can't afford high end shops like Ironworks; I'll tell you first hand you can't afford NOT to go to a shop of this caliber. How many re-do's have I had to do between the chassis shop and body kit? Two and three respectively, and after being burned over and over on this obsession I learned what makes a good shop.

Tune in as we crack open the vault that stores the 5-time-world-champion-of-stalled-projects, eleven-years-and-counting-in-the-making, lighter-weight-than-ever-before, 1968 Camaro known as 50/50.

Tyler

x2

Thank god I didn't have to go through the re-do's you did......

John

[progoat]

Glad your going to move forward on 50/50 this car is going to be sweet:twothumbs

[John Wright]

OK Tyler.....what is the next project to be completed on this bad boy? Have you started figuring out a game plan? .....worked up stages of completion in your mind?....I'm sure the creative juices are flowing by now. Woot! glad to see this thread back near the top again.

[srh3trinity]

I am glad this project is getting some love again. This car/concept has made my mouth water since the first day I found this site. Keep us posted!

[TitoJones]

People have asked about the plans and what work Rodger is going to do on the car.

When I started this project I had some radical ideas and styling touches that I wanted to put on the vehicle. The idea was like taking a well refined car- like a 997 twin turbo Porsche and integrate that into a 60's muscle car. The more I look back on what I was doing the more I want to scrap it. So one of the things I'm reversing is a few portions of the body kit. I still like the notch rear spoiler (that keeps getting copied) and my front air dam. I'm going to re-do the rocker panels, and I'm going to delete the C5 Euro tail light panel/diffuser. I think instead I'll add back in a set of Marquez rear tail lights into a bare carbon panel with a gas cap in the center.

Rodger will be finishing the frame, fully welding it to the car, add the floors, firewalls, and cage, and widen the rear 1/4 panels. If I don't go flat broke he will also do the new core support. At that point I will take possession of the car and finish off the light fab work- making a new dash, plumbing, mounting seats, pedals, steering column, wiring, brakes, and finally etting it prepped for paint.

I'm totally hooked on Steve Chryssos's Streetfighter type build, and after riding along in Scott Mock's 69 Camaro race car, I think that is right up my alley.

No more custom interior. No more carpet. Just pure race bred go fast, functional light weight stuff. Might have to make it more visually hardcore as well. Looking for inspiring race car pictures at the moment. Post up anything you have that you think would be cool on this car product or detail wise.

Tyler

[Ron.in.SoCal]

More visually hardcore is good! What are your plans for the drivetrain?

[TitoJones]

Drivetrain wise just a nice N/A LSX engine. Might de-stroke it to a 302 cu in type to make it full on retro themed. I know that it will have the ATS Tri-Y headers in white ceramic coating (modified at the collector to clear the new frame) an ATS sidewinder accessory drive, and more than likely a Victor Jr EFI type carb manifold with the ATS coil relocation brackets and CF cowl air cleaner like on Ron's LS7 powered Mustang. I want the engine bay to be modern stuff with a retro race car theme.

Other touches will be Aero Catches on the CF hood, possibly a RedHead quick fill dry-break in the rear panel leading the the Fuel Safe, and of course Lexan NACA duct rear 1/4 windows. Might do a quick release body latch on the front air dam for easy access to trailers. Oh yeah, and F&R tow hooks.

Tyler

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

looks like youre going down the Streetfighter route, T...

you know I lovit..

[novanutcase]

Got to see this car when it first showed up at the shop and as it was getting it's bones put in.

This is going to be one BITCHEN ride judging from the plans you have for it!!

John

[Jim Nilsen]

People have asked about the plans and what work Rodger is going to do on the car.

When I started this project I had some radical ideas and styling touches that I wanted to put on the vehicle. The idea was like taking a well refined car- like a 997 twin turbo Porsche and integrate that into a 60's muscle car. The more I look back on what I was doing the more I want to scrap it. So one of the things I'm reversing is a few portions of the body kit. I still like the notch rear spoiler (that keeps getting copied) and my front air dam. I'm going to re-do the rocker panels, and I'm going to delete the C5 Euro tail light panel/diffuser. I think instead I'll add back in a set of Marquez rear tail lights into a bare carbon panel with a gas cap in the center.

Rodger will be finishing the frame, fully welding it to the car, add the floors, firewalls, and cage, and widen the rear 1/4 panels. If I don't go flat broke he will also do the new core support. At that point I will take possession of the car and finish off the light fab work- making a new dash, plumbing, mounting seats, pedals, steering column, wiring, brakes, and finally etting it prepped for paint.

I'm totally hooked on Steve Chryssos's Streetfighter type build, and after riding along in Scott Mock's 69 Camaro race car, I think that is right up my alley.

No more custom interior. No more carpet. Just pure race bred go fast, functional light weight stuff. Might have to make it more visually hardcore as well. Looking for inspiring race car pictures at the moment. Post up anything you have that you think would be cool on this car product or detail wise.

Tyler


It is good to hear you going in a different direction with the car. No custom injterior or carpet will make it easier to get finished sooner but the unfinished look might bug you sometimes which is why I went with an aluminum interior and am still on the fence about carpet that is velcro'd down and comes out in minutes at the track for the most part.

It is going to be interesting to see what you come up with for a radiator support. Lots of good things on some cars to get ideas from these days.

Now get that thing done so you can be as broke as the rest of us,lol.

[Ron.in.SoCal]

It is good to hear you going in a different direction with the car. No custom injterior or carpet will make it easier to get finished sooner but the unfinished look might bug you sometimes which is why I went with an aluminum interior and am still on the fence about carpet that is velcro'd down and comes out in minutes at the track for the most part.

It is going to be interesting to see what you come up with for a radiator support. Lots of good things on some cars to get ideas from these days.

Now get that thing done so you can be as broke as the rest of us,lol.

If it'll work on your frame, AutoRad sells their alum core support all by itself. It goes with the light weight theme of this car and would make mounting the fenders a snap (along with Anvil CF fender braces)...

[69X22]

Looks like it is going to be awesome! I like the idea on changing the taillights back. Nothin wrong with being broke and having a nice car, when the car is done you will rebound pretty quick>.

[coolwelder62]

Tyler;Cant wait to see the progress on your camaro.What would great is some carbon fiber dash & door panels kind of like Steve Seleen did on the 2005 mustang GT-R race car.Would love to help you out if you need any thing.Scott.

[NOT A TA]

Tyler, Glad to see you're back at it on this! Stay determined and pace yourself and the expenses and it'll be on the road/track before ya know it!

[TitoJones]

We are back baby! The car came out of it's metal coffin yesterday afternoon. It's a bit dirty, some tiny surface rust, but overall in better shape than I remembered. The car was even further along that I had known with the front suspension almost fully done.

The chassis table it has been mated with for over a year get slid out of the container.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/06/2cf78k5-1.jpg

Front suspension details like the UCA mounts, the bracing between tubes, and cradle mount.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/06/qnr8eq-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/06/1zejwg1-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/06/le0zn-1.jpg

More of the inner frame and floor bracing:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/06/2dcest2-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/06/wvx4ax-1.jpg

The car on its way back inside. She may not look like much now. But she is drinking milk (and chromoly)and pretty soon....

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/06/5l6k9z-1.jpg

The rear C5 Corvette Euro tail lights already look dated to me. It was cool 10 years ago, but now? Not so much. I'm going to make a new rear tail panel from a sheet of carbon that will use the Marquez Design billet 68 rear tail lights and maybe, just maybe I'll even add a RedHead dry break rear filler for the Fuel Safe where the stock gas cap lived.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/06/2lvcnqs-1.jpg

More to come as I get updates from Rodger at Ironworks. (http://www.ironworksspeedandkustom.com)

Tyler

[John Wright]

Awsome!

[hechtrod]

The taillights don't look too bad. Maybe some newer C6 vette taillights?

[78 Type-LT]

Sweet..i love this build

[TitoJones]

Went to visit my car last week. Got some parts in for the build like these new Tilton floor mounted triple pedals.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/07/23sbu3c-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/07/6egp7d-1.jpg

Got to check out the frame in person and check out the fantastic tube work.
The way they mounted the factory aluminum cradles is pretty sweet. If I need to repair anything I just pop the upper ball joints and shock mounts, and 8 cradle bolt and the entire suspension, drivetrain and engine unzip from the car.
Drivers side front cradle mount:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/07/34yv9s0-1.jpg
Same side, top view.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/07/2dt5093-1.jpg

Other cool details like how they made the tubing spacers integrate into the upper coil over mounts are pretty sweet.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/07/14t8neg-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/07/etdvg1-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/07/34j21p3-1.jpg

So the first of a few bummers was that since we are using the factory C5 cradles, suspension and engine placement I can't use the ATS Sidewinder accessory drive that I had been saving. The steering rack to balancer clearance will only allow use of the factory Y body accessory drive; without repositioning the engine further rearward, redoing the mounts, firewall and torque tube that is. I'm not willing to change that much stuff. I'd rather keep it factory in case I need a replacement part.
Second bummer is I had a set of ATS Tri-Y headers set aside for this car too, and with the crazy tubes catching the cradles and making the inner torque tube structure, there is no way these bad boys will fit either. We will see if Rodger can modify some tubes to make them clear, and if not both the Sidewinder and Tri-Y headers will be up for sale.

Next on the list is to wait for the Fuel Safe and Ron Davis radiator to arrive and they will make the floors, firewall, and radiator support. We are going to follow the C5R layout and tilt the top of the radiator toward the grill and allow it to vent out the hood via an extractor.

Should start seeing some progress around August.

Tyler

[David Sloan]

Very cool Tyler
cant wait to see it coming together!

[Kenova]

Went to visit my car last week. Got some parts in for the build like these new Tilton floor mounted triple pedals.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/07/23sbu3c-1.jpg



Tyler
In the 40 years (almost) that I've been driving, everything that I've driven has had the pedal pivot up under the dash. I'm curious as to how much of a difference there is in the "feel" of a floor mounted pedal system.

Ken

[cheapthrillz]

In the 40 years (almost) that I've been driving, everything that I've driven has had the pedal pivot up under the dash. I'm curious as to how much of a difference there is in the "feel" of a floor mounted pedal system.

Ken

Formula's dad has a 993 911 with floor-mounted pedals and man it will mess with your head for a while, but you get used to it. Not a life-changing experience, but weird at first.

[1badchevelle]

Great to hear and see it moving along. Keep them coming.

[bonecrrusher]

The car going back to Ironworks, or you finishing up the rest yourself?

[John Wright]

JC, Floor mounted pedals...Brake and Gas are OK(helps with the heel-toe),

... but the dang clutch... that takes getting used to in my opinion.

[ironworks]

The car going back to Ironworks, or you finishing up the rest yourself?

As far as I know it NEVER left.

[sik68]

We are going to follow the C5R layout and tilt the top of the radiator toward the grill and allow it to vent out the hood via an extractor.

Tyler

Very cool. I had this idea in my head for a while now; I was hoping I'd be the first but it will be great to see someone else try it ahead of me. :) Are you planning a lift-off hood?

[nor_cal_67rs]

Man I can't wait to see this in action!!!!

[78 Type-LT]

let's get it......

[ryeguy2006a]

nice looking build

[Jim Nilsen]

Hey Tyler, if you are going to have your hood extract that way, I know of a great hood hinge and latch setup that would work just perfect with the way it would need to close to seal around it easily. You should be able to integrate what it takes easily especially if you do it in carbon fiber.

I am glad to see you still have the car after all that has transpired over the years.

:cheers:

[MCMLXIX]

any updates?

[TitoJones]

So the work has begun. They started making the floor, and they are fitting the front sheetmetal to begin core support fabrication and to terminate the frame ends. Not much to see, but at least it is in the big area with all the other cars again; I hope it plays nice with the other children.

The drivers side floor begins construction:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/07/34ydy6a-1.jpg

My dream engine that I can't afford:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/07/1zo9u2x-1.jpg

The sheetmetal getting installed:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/07/2uz2pnn-1.jpg

Fenders in place, getting ready to mock up the 50/50 signature front air dam:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/07/sys18z-1.jpg

More of the floor installed, and some panels on the passenger side:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/07/sv0t8i-1.jpg

Rodger tells me that he might be checking my HRE wheels on the chassis later. I am really excited to see it when it is off the table, wheels and sheetmetal in place and a roller again. What a day that will be.

Tyler

[Nessumsar]

Color me excited! Can't wait to see more.

[PhillipM]

Looking awesome Tyler... Congrats.

[TitoJones]

These guys work fast. Already aligned the entire front end and installed the hood. Usually takes me a few days to get gaps that good.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/07/w8kymg-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/07/2hxwxn8-1.jpg

That's all for today.

Tyler

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

sick!

is that the final mold front end?

i know you went through hell to make the clay one..

[srh3trinity]

I am psyched for you. I can't imagine how you are feeling seeing the progress that has been made. I had a green 68 with the D90 stripe. I know you probably aren't staying with the color scheme, but I have always thought it was cool.

[sunkistcamaro]

Im glad I saw this post.
I have been waiting for your car to be done for YEARS!!!
Thanks for the updates!

[Rod]

Its great to see you back on the project!

[Steve68]

Glad I made a contribution to the project, what do I get a weld or two??

[TitoJones]

Update for the weekend:

Floors are coming along very nicely.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/07/fs3t0-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/07/2jfix4j-1.jpg

Wheel test fit:

Inside drivers front:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/07/2d9xr2c-1.jpg

Front view; looks like I'll be doing a wide body front and rear 68 body now:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/07/30a8ia0-1.jpg

Drivers side shot at ride height:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/07/utsee-1.jpg

Can't wait to see the 3/4 shot with both front and rear wheels, even if they stick out past the sheetmetal.

Have a good weekend boys.

Tyler

[PhillipM]

Dang, sorry to hear about the wheels not fitting... I'm sure what every you decide to do it will look sweet. That chassis is impressive brotha.

[colt zantop]

very nice progress..floors look great!

[DarkoNova]

Amazing work. Are you going to be adding sideskirts to the car? That valence makes it look a little front-heavy. Still sexy, and I was planning on doing the exact same thing with my radiator and hood so I'm interested in how you get yours set up. :cheers:

Matt

[Jim Nilsen]

I like the structure of the car and am wondering what it will weigh when done? I want to see the bottom of the car , is it flat? I really like a flat floor for packaging of the brake and fuel lines.

Keep us posted on how the rear trunk and floor areas get done, I am thinking it is going to be very creative with all of the mounting points to work with.

Good to see more getting done.

:cheers:

[Vegas69]

I'm also interested in the weight of the car when complete. Looks a little heavy but that's some sick work by the boys at Ironworks.

[meenaggie]

Put some skinny tires up front and go for the "hella-flush" look. J/K! :rotfl:

Glad to see I am not the only one thinking 50/50 may need to go on a diet with all the extra metal being installed. I hope I am happily surprised when I hear the final weight number and it is lower than I expect.

Good luck with the build.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

Naw dawg, thats Hellaflush!
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/07/30a8ia0-1.jpg


AHHAHAHAAHHAA

that sucks tho.. for real.. but a widebody is a great answer to that question.

[XLexusTech]

Cow catcher?

[ironworks]

Well guys actually this has been the plan all along, Tyler bought these wheels years ago and I don't think has never had them bolted on this car, due to the fact they would not clear. The intentions are do pull the quarters front and rear to fulfill the desire look and spec.

As far as the being over weight, Let give you some idea of the differences in weight. A 1ft piece of 4x2 .125 wall rectangular tubing weighs just over 4lbs. A 1ft piece of 1.75 .125 round tube weighs just over 2 lbs. So for every 2 pieces of equal length 1.75" tubing it will equal 1 piece of 4x2 tubing.

So if you compare the weight of John's nova to Tyler's Camaro I bet his car will be lighter just due to the fact he will have less extras and More consideration for using light weight components.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/07/shoppics6242008003-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/07/shoppics6242008005-1.jpg

This car was weighed on ride sticks in the rear that is why the weights are so weird. And there is an airhose sitting on top of it....

[TitoJones]

So I was gone most of August and half of September in Europe; London, Amsterdam, Prague, Paris, and Rome. Rodger did get a few things rolling when they had time.
They did the front A pillar down tubes of the cage, mounted the Tilton pedals, fab'd new engine mounts to set the engine back for use of my Sidewinder accessory drive, re-made the torque tube, and re-installed the drivetrain.

I only have a few pics, and they don't show much, but an update is an update.
Checking HRE wheel clearance.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/09/ShopPicsJuly2010001-1.jpg
New laser cut engine mounts
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/09/ShopPicsAugust2010038-1.jpg
Same thing, different angle
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/09/ShopPicsAugust2010039-1.jpg
Engine setback is now very much into the firewall, and at least 2 inches behind the front axle centerline
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/09/ShopPicsAugust2010028-1.jpg
Torque tube all installed
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/09/ShopPicsAugust2010029-1.jpg

Tyler

[Larry Callahan]

Sweet! Always great to see progress.

[icebird84]

looking good

[PhillipM]

So I was gone most of August and half of September in Europe; London, Amsterdam, Prague, Paris, and Rome. Rodger did get a few things rolling when they had time.
They did the front A pillar down tubes of the cage, mounted the Tilton pedals, fab'd new engine mounts to set the engine back for use of my Sidewinder accessory drive, re-made the torque tube, and re-installed the drivetrain.

I only have a few pics, and they don't show much, but an update is an update.
Checking HRE wheel clearance.

New laser cut engine mounts

Same thing, different angle

Engine setback is now very much into the firewall, and at least 2 inches behind the front axle centerline

Torque tube all installed


Tyler

Did something happen to the pics? I am unable to see them...

[TitoJones]

I can see them on 3 different computers here at work. I'll load them to another host and try again.

Tyler

[6'9"Witha69]

I see them fine.

Crap that is looking good Tyler. I have been a fan of 50/50 since I first saw it on the Wayne Due website 5+ years ago. Heck, If I am glad to see progress on it, I can only imagine how you would feel right now. Looks like it is in really capable hands with the Ironworks folks

[PhillipM]

Must have been my damn work computer as I can see them now on my home computer... Nice work!

[LV42DAY]

you guys plan on selling multiples of that body kit or keeping it a one off?

[TitoJones]

Rodger uploaded a few more pictures that are current.

Pretty A pillar tubes.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/09/ShopPicsSeptember2010060-1.jpg

Engine is set back very deep into the firewall at this point; I'm guessing 7-8 inches but it's hard to tell with the new fisheye lens my boy picked up.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/09/ShopPicsSeptember2010061-1.jpg

Sweet. Tilton pedals are mounted. Now I need to get off my ass an choose a Sparco seat, get a steering column, and wheel to get me all set up.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/09/ShopPicsSeptember2010062-1.jpg

A pillar bars again.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/09/ShopPicsSeptember2010063-1.jpg

Tyler

[TitoJones]

What seat do you guys think for a street/track car?

I'd like a Sparco. Here are the 3 I was looking at:

Sparco Circuit seat for $870 each
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

Sparco Pro ADV for $850 each
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

Or the Sparco Corsa for $730 each.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

The first two will limit my blind spot viewing on the street but are HANS compatiable and would offer the best protection for me, where as the Corsa would be great for street visibility, but not as safe in a racing environment.
Have any of you guys used any of these in a street/track car?

Tyler

[RS_Customs]

What seat do you guys think for a street/track car?

I'd like a Sparco. Here are the 3 I was looking at:

Sparco Circuit seat for $870 each

Sparco Pro ADV for $850 each

Or the Sparco Corsa for $730 each.

The first two will limit my blind spot viewing on the street but are HANS compatiable and would offer the best protection for me, where as the Corsa would be great for street visibility, but not as safe in a racing environment.
Have any of you guys used any of these in a street/track car?

Tyler

From just sitting in a few of the track seats like the first 2, I would say they are going to be kind of difficult to see traffic to the sides when driving around town. David and I had thrown around some ideas about making that part removable on a set of seats so you could pull it off when you were not on the track.

As for looks, I'd say go for comfort first. I would try to sit in as many seats as you can to see what fits your body the best. Some of the manufactures have different widths and 1" can make a huge difference in how comfortable you feel going through the corners (your one with the car, lol).

Robert

[John Wright]

Wow, they don't give those seats away...pricey, but you need to stay put behind the wheel so that you aren't constantly rearranging yourself from one corner into the next.

[sik68]

Tyler, I have the Sparco Pro2000 in my 68, which has about the same bolstering as the Corsa, if not a little less. It is very confidence inspiring to be absolutely planted into the vehicle. You will find that egress into and out of the vehicle requires a lot of gymnastics though, because the distance between the sill and the roof is relatively small compared to other cars. It would be truly a pain in the butt to deal with the head guards on those other seats. Is your floor raised? If your torso is long you may get darn close to the headliner depending on your seat mounts.

Also, at the track, plenty of guys are using Hans devices without the head guarded seats. Since it will be street driven I don't think it's worth it.

I have gotten a lot of crap from tech guys about the seat-back not being bolted to a roll cage harness bar. These seats are torsionally flexible, so to install them properly they need to be held on the backside. The side effect of this is that you cannot move the seats fore/aft without loosening some bolts.

[jknight16]

I guess you'll have to go with whichever one is offered in Tall-by-Twiggy size. :cheers:

[Matt@BOS]

I guess you'll have to go with whichever one is offered in Tall-by-Twiggy size. :cheers:

Not only that but you'll need something that will be comfortable from the back seat since those pedals are pushed so far back.

Hey Tyler, since you've got the pedal assembly together have you put any thought into the master cylinder sizes for the brakes, 7/8, 15/16 and whether or not you're going to run remote reservoirs?

Matt

[ironworks]

Not only that but you'll need something that will be comfortable from the back seat since those pedals are pushed so far back.

Hey Tyler, since you've got the pedal assembly together have you put any thought into the master cylinder sizes for the brakes, 7/8, 15/16 and whether or not you're going to run remote reservoirs?

Matt

Pushed back how do you figure. The seat and pedals just bolt right in.

[elitecustombody]

Wow, they don't give those seats away...pricey, but you need to stay put behind the wheel so that you aren't constantly rearranging yourself from one corner into the next.

You must have never seen Recaro prices , some of them cost more than 3 times the Sparco's here

[Matt@BOS]

Pushed back how do you figure. The seat and pedals just bolt right in.

I think it would have made more sense if I said they (the pedals) looked pushed forward into the cabin, maybe it is perspective but they looked close to being almost as far forward as the front of the door, and Tyler isn't exactly short so I had visions of him cruising around sitting as far back as where the back seats used to be. In any case I'm sure you could use some "better than bolts" metal adhesive spray to put them exactly where they need to be, or have you not come out with that yet? :)

Matt

[Gitter Dun]

I gonna have to agree with matt. To me it does look like the pedals are too close to the driver. Not only that, they look to far to the left.

When you bolt that seat in the pedals dont look like they will be centered. Amir Rosenbaum (Spectre Racing) had same prob after setting engine back in his '70 El Camino. He has to drive that thing with his legs to the left.

Way to uncomfortable in a road racing environment and something to consider before you get to far along.

Just my two cents.

[ZZ427]

Cant Wait to see this car finish . . . it's going to be a "BEAST" !

[novanutcase]

Stop fu(king around and just commit!

http://www.sparcousa.com/pseats_comp.asp?id=191

John

[LV42DAY]

i love those tilton pedals.

[MCMLXIX]

so whats been done in the last two plus months .... ? ? ?

[Damn True]

Ty,

Hung out with Eric Lister this weekend. He used to work for Ironworks, now with MER racing in Texas. Nice kid. Hellofa mechanic.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

he ran outta dough.

[TitoJones]

All sorts of bad ass metal working has been going on at Ironworks. This bad boy has been getting all the attention:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsAugust2010079-1.jpg

That's a 48 truck parked next to a much more modified 48 truck. The amount of metal work and details on it are insane. I'm impressed as hell every time I see it and I'll wait patiently until Brysen can begin his very skilled craft on my fenders and quarter panels. I will eventually run out of money, but I think my deposit will cover the car being set down on its own wheels and tires, with a widebody treatment, full welded chassis, floor, firewalls, and the radiator, fuel cell, and interior items (Seats, column/wheel, pedals) mounted and ready to deliver.

So for now I wait.

Tyler

[mc84_zz4]

Wow, this project has to qualify for poster-child for perseverance!! :hail:
Get that thing on it's wheels and running! the hell with cosmetics, prime it, and GO!
(of couse, the frame and all the fab work in a nice epoxy paint, the shell can be primer)

[TitoJones]

Rodger teased me with 3 pictures today. Progress will come faster in the next month but we've been debating over the widebody for a while now. Do we add very obvious flares? Do we widen the car? I spoke to John McBride about this and he sketched out some ideas; I had a hard time picking any of them and ultimately picked none of them. While the flares in my head would be as amazing as the ones on the Porsche GT3R Hybrid (Google image THAT car.) when seen on paper it just didn't make me fall in love.

Starting sketch (based off my old black 68 Camaro) with factory track width:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/f1i1ht-1.jpg

Flare concept number one:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/dg2n9i-1.jpg

Flare concept 2 and 2A:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/27y8zuu-1.jpg

So we decided after all the back and forth, all the idea and reference material we are just going to wide body the car vs flare the wheel wells.

Rodger had the boys get out the sander and cut off wheel.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember2010018-1.jpg

Then they cut out the 'eyebrow' and placed it where it needs to be to clear the meats.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember2010026-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember2010027-1.jpg

A few more cuts and then lots of patching, metal working, and grinding and we will be able to set it down on all 4 wheels for the first time in 10 years. I need to get my Sparco seats and Woodward column so that we can position me in the car and then the last of the floor/firewall can be built. I hope to have it a roller by spring.

Tyler

[XLexusTech]

On the ground... Bug step.. Congats... I hop to be thee in the late spring tooo..... man on the ground onts its own meat is a great accomplishment...

[ArtosDracon]

I can't see that big a difference, but I would go with 1 just because it has a more integrated look.

[Bryce]

That is going to look awesome!

[MrQuick]

looks great tyler, good choice on the wide body, you can get more usable tire space that way. Although 2 and 2a are very nice.

[TitoJones]

More updates. Remember- I did not choose any of the renderings to base the wide body off of. Ultimately I didn't fall in love with any of them, so we are doing a combo of a stretch with a flare. Think of a combo of the way the SCAR camaro (http://blogs.hotrod.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/67/files/1967-camaro-wins-goodguys-2010-ridetech-street-machine-of-the-year-award/29834086.jpeg) was done with a bit of the Gulf Camaro. (http://www.racehome.com/images/camaros/dynowestcamaro3.jpg)

Here is the car getting mocked up with flares only; we will be cutting the fenders and quarters much more to reduce the flare size and make it have more of a 'designed' look vs 1971 flares. NOTE: These are Photobucket hosted, so if you see a red X the site is blocked or we exceeded bandwidth (not likely.)

Front fender flare mock up
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember2010001-1.jpg

Head on view
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember2010002-1.jpg

Side view
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember2010004-1.jpg

Worms eye view
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember2010005-1.jpg

Front 3/4 view
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember2010015-1.jpg

Rear 3/4 view
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember20100181-1.jpg

Tyler

[Scott Parkhurst]

That looks really good- Will the car be any lower, or is that ride height? I remember it being down more.

[parsonsj]

I'm digging the "camo" paint on the front and rear.

jp

[Steve1968LS2]

Front 3/4 view
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember2010015-1.jpg
Tyler

Hey Tyler.. email me the high res of this shot ;)

Lookin' good by the way!

[dusterbd13]

im just not a fan of flairs. id say go straight widebody. cut iut straight down the middle, add 4 inches of metal, and put it back together. sure, its more work, but then.....

other than that, the car is looking great, with some neat details in the fab work.

michael

[TitoJones]

cut iut straight down the middle, add 4 inches of metal, and put it back together. sure, its more work, but then.....

I wish it was really just that simple. The chassis is already mated to the car, so this option is not even possible this late in the game, not to mention custom front and rear glass and all the other items that need to be stretched (like grill/trim/etc.)

Tyler

[Nessumsar]

Tyler, that looks awesome!

Is there a way you could get a shot of the templates laying flat on the ground? I am doing this exact thing to my Nova, and would love to get an idea for the shape on the templates.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

we have something in common Tyler..

[TitoJones]

we have something in common Tyler..

Which is what exactly?

Tyler

[CarlC]

Looking good Tyler. Taking a more subtle approach, widening vs. big ol' flares, will in the long run work out better.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

Which is what exactly?

Tyler

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/mdmp_1005_06_oroad_side_emergency_kitroa-1.jpg

[Damn True]

golf-clap

[MrQuick]

looks good tyler do it!

[TitoJones]

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/mdmp_1005_06_oroad_side_emergency_kitroa-1.jpg

Nicely done. Now post a picture of them so I can steal from you, like so many have done to me. ;-)

Tyler

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

indeed man.. thats one thing your car doesnt get.. the credit it deserves for what it brought to the table.

man if i have to see another notched wing again...

[jwcarguy]

Looks Great Tyler!

I am glad to see the car finally coming together!!

[TitoJones]

Last shot for the paper flares. I was surprised to see how nice the fenders and rear quarters actually were after stripping them down to bare metal. They are so nice I think we should destroy them.

Here it is with the old carbon fiber side skirts with the side exit exhaust port. The new frame will not allow the side exit so I will re-make the side rocker trim to flow better with the new flares and front air dam. Poor shop kid had to lay under that jig and hold them up for this shot.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/fuxrpf-1.jpg

Tyler

[srh3trinity]

Those flares along with the 50/50 body kit are really going to fit the car. Very nice.

[absintheisfun]

I'm not a huge fan of flares, but they fit this project really well. Have you thought about tying the flares a little bit to the sideskirts?

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

gangster

[TitoJones]

Don't get too close to Rodger, he will cut you up.

So he started the fender cuts to reduce the flare bubble size and make it appear more subtle.
He stripped the fender and rear 1/4 down to bare metal and sliced it at the 9, 12, and 3 O'clock positions to pull the body line outward.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember2010007-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember2010008-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember2010006-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember2010010-1.jpg

Still working on the front, but same idea; just checking at full lock/compression-

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember20100031-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember20100041-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember20100051-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember2010009-1.jpg

Have a good weekend!

Tyler

[XLexusTech]

Looks good... are those mok up wheels?

[PhillipM]

Those are the same wheels from the beginning... What I'm looking at are those rear tires! DANG!

[cobraguy65]

I'm digging the wide body. Sweeeeet!

[WS6]

The flares are going to come out looking great.

[colt zantop]

I really like the look of the rear flare....thats gonna look sick!

[Ron S]

My only advise I will give to anyone doing this, is to put 1/4" spacers on the wheels before molding the flares. Build the lips so there is plenty of room at full lock, then take the spacers off when your done. You just can't imagine how much flex there can be at speed on the road course, and you don't want blister that new paint while leaning on it. I built mine with spacers, and I've never had an issue, but I'll bet you couldn't put a credit card between the tire and the inside of the fender at the Oak Tree at VIR. Just my 2 cents. Looks great Tyler. Ron

[TitoJones]

Moar pictures!

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember2010013-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember2010011-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember2010012-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember20100141-1.jpg

Tyler

[Ron S]

Am I wrong for liking build pics more then finish pics? Very cool, Ron

[WS6]

if you are then I don't want to be right either.

[CruizinKev]

wow very nice work! thats something I want to do with my 79 monte carlo rear fenders

[TitoJones]

I asked Rodger to shoot some pics of the rear tires as they looked to be a bit stretched over the rear 18x12.5 HRE wheels. I was supposed to have a 30/65-18 Michelin road race slick with a section width of 320mm on 12x18 wheel. Overall diameter should be 65cm. Looks a bit under that. Fronts should be 24/64-18 and have a section width of 254 mm on an 9.5x18 wheel. Should be overall diameter of 64cm. Those look small as well. I'm guess that if I ever put on real street tires that they will be even wider than these used slicks I purchased. Does anyone know where to find new Michelin race slicks in the above sizes new?

Here's a shot standing on the work bench trying to get both rear tires in view:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember20100101-1.jpg

Looking into from the drivers side of the front window at the pass rear tire:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember20100061-1.jpg

Looking from the middle of the tail panel into the trunk at the drivers side rear tire:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember20100081-1.jpg

The rear flare progress was made just before the holiday. They welded in a new bent and broke section into the area where they cut the quarter panel (9 and 3 o'clock positions) to re-make a wider creased body line. They ground it smooth and are getting ready to form the flare area.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember20100261-1.jpg

Same thing, different angle
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember20100271-1.jpg

Here you can see the old wheel well 'eyebrow' being re-used and in its new position. The rear 1/4 panel has been flared out at the body crease to make the flare a bit smaller. This is looking down the car on the drivers side.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember2010030-1.jpg

Same area
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember2010031-1.jpg

Again. Notice the flat panel above the wheel well; that is the actual flare before forming on the English wheel.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember2010032-1.jpg

Here they have formed the panel that was in flat sheet in the previous shots to create the flare.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember2010033-1.jpg

Same area, new angle
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember2010034-1.jpg

Last picture for today. They are working on the front flare/body crease and then it will move quickly on the pass side.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember2010035-1.jpg

Tyler

[Ron.in.SoCal]

Looks slick Tyler! Love thise flares...

[megaladon6]

i think I know more about building a roll cage!! or at least how to make the joins.
(edit) sorry, just saw this thread and i'm of course referring to the original roll cage with the sharpie clearancing

[MrQuick]

i think I know more about building a roll cage!! or at least how to make the joins.


? LOL joins away buddy.



looks good tyler....have you tried calling Michelin?

[megaladon6]

sorry, too much snow shoveling

[Damn True]

Progress.....what's that like?

[ZuperZport]

Good to see you moving forward.

This Camaro is gonna be awesome!

[TitoJones]

The car is getting the widebody treatment because of the trackwidth. If I changed wheels I could run a 10.5 or 11 inch wheel with a 295 or maybe 305 if my springs were stiff enough. There is room to go in another inch and out about 1/2 an inch; I've had the HRE wheels for almost 6 years now, so I'm not going to replace them anytime soon.

Back to our widebody fabrication, already in progress...

Front fender is coming along nicely. Overall it makes it seem like the car is higher than it really is. Once we set it on the ground and get it off the jig I think it will really be impressive looking.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember2010037-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember2010038-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember2010039-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember2010040-1.jpg

Tyler

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

thats thug passion.. thuggin... thuglicious.

Tupac approves.

[Payton King]

HRE can re-hoop those wheels. thought about doing mine. Price was $225 a shell + $100 labor. So that is $325 a wheel if you just did the inside to gain an inch and $550 a wheel to do both inner and outer.

Car is looking good!

[nvmyss]

Looking good Tyler.
Happy to see progress.
I love seeing the Ironworks updates.

[colt zantop]

looking good. I got a question, are both the flares(front and back) the same width that your adding? Im wondering this becuase the front wheel is gonna be narrower so I wonder how it would look with a smaller flare in the front and the wider one out back? anyway, it looks killer, keep those pics coming!

[Bryce]

Looks awesome.

[GT500KR_Vert]

Looks good!

[TitoJones]

Back to the metal fabrication!

After jzr made the comment about my tiny manhood front tires I had Rodger mock up a rear C5 wheel in my front. Fits fine, but the back spacing was off a bit. I could do a 10.5 or 11 inch wheel it appears and still have clearance; just need to nail the backspacing and offset. If I can get rich soon, I'll get a set of dedicated track wheel in 18x11 and 18x12.5. That will show everyone I mean business.

C5 rear Wagon wheels my car rolled into Ironworks on to check clearance on a wider wheel:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember20100021-1.jpg

Alright. So the taller side wall of a street radial looks a bit better than my super cool-whiz-bang- Michelin slicks. Rims are ugly though.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember20100011-1.jpg

Nearly completed metal work on front flare/widebody treatment. It's almost 4 inches wider per side now. Think about that for a second. Total width of the car is now 7.5 inches wider than factory. Over a half a foot. Damn.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember20100032-1.jpg

Henry makes it look so simple. New body creases, flared wheel wells, all very nicely done in bare metal.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember20100042-1.jpg

Just need to finish the last patch panel at the bottom of the flare and fill all the clykos holes.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember20100052-1.jpg

Rodger was worried about this transition; he wanted to know if I wanted to push the body crease out to meet the eyebrow or have a filler panel fab'd to take up the gap. I voted filler panel.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember20100062-1.jpg

Last one until I get the inside panel shot for PCP.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember20100071-1.jpg

Ah f*ck it. Here's a pile of kitties.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/kitties-1.jpg

Tyler

[nvmyss]

So what are you gunna do now with the controversial front air dam. Looks like it falls a little short.

[srh3trinity]

Unbelievable what some people can accomplish with their hands, i mean that is a lot of kitties that guy is holding. The metal work is nice too though. I know this may be a longshot, but were you going to go back with the D90 stripe? I had a 68 with that same color scheme, green with the white D90 that my dad and I were working on and I always loved that combo. Trying to picture how you would pull the stripe of with the flares though.

[Yelcamino]

Looks awesome Tyler!

[bonecrrusher]

That looks badass - can't wait to see this car completed!

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

shoulda took the back wheel off the other side and threw it on the rear with that one on the front.. get a solid look.

[TitoJones]

Inner rear 1/4 panel before finish work:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember20100121-1.jpg

Drivers front fender before finish work (we will be trimming off the flange from the eyebrow)
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember20100131-1.jpg

Full lock:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember20100082-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember20100092-1.jpg

Tyler

[MrQuick]

bad asss tyler, is that rear suspension at ride height?

you always get the cute looking pusssycats.....but always a handfull.

[454bug]

Awesome progress Tyler!

Shaping metal like this is truly an art... simply amazing. :1st:

Great Streetfighter/Trans Am look.

[CruizinKev]

wow awesome work!!!! *drool*

[TitoJones]

Nothing to say that hasn't been said. How about some straight porn.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/01/ShopPicsJanuary2011009-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/01/ShopPicsJanuary2011011-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/01/ShopPicsJanuary2011013-1.jpg

Tyler

[mc84_zz4]

Some sexy damn flares there! :cheers:

[Conrad283]

Those flares are a work of art

[RSX302]

Looks Killer Tyler!

I see you put slicks on the front now, but how long do you think a set of those other race rain tires would last on the street? I always thought that would be cool, but are they too soft?





Nothing to say that hasn't been said. How about some straight porn.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/01/ShopPicsJanuary2011009-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/01/ShopPicsJanuary2011011-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/01/ShopPicsJanuary2011013-1.jpg

Tyler

[TitoJones]

So what are you gunna do now with the controversial front air dam. Looks like it falls a little short.

I have the other 50/50 air dam off my black car that I destroyed on a parking garage ramp; I'm going to modify that one and re-tool it in carbon. This white one on the car will get tooled off of and sold under the Anvil brand for stock 67/8 Camaros.


looking good. I got a question, are both the flares(front and back) the same width that your adding? Im wondering this becuase the front wheel is gonna be narrower so I wonder how it would look with a smaller flare in the front and the wider one out back? anyway, it looks killer, keep those pics coming!

They are really close in size; I want to be able to run huge front tires at a later date so I figured make room now.


Unbelievable what some people can accomplish with their hands, i mean that is a lot of kitties that guy is holding. The metal work is nice too though. I know this may be a longshot, but were you going to go back with the D90 stripe? I had a 68 with that same color scheme, green with the white D90 that my dad and I were working on and I always loved that combo. Trying to picture how you would pull the stripe of with the flares though.

I do plan to do the stripe again, but in bare carbon. I'll just use the template that Classic Industries sells and it will fall where it needs to regardless of the flares. Should still look good.


bad asss tyler, is that rear suspension at ride height?

you always get the cute looking pusssycats.....but always a handfull.

It's close. The front is still about 1-1.5 inches higher than it should be, but the front tires are tiny sidewalls. Real street tires will be taller overall.


Looks Killer Tyler!

I see you put slicks on the front now, but how long do you think a set of those other race rain tires would last on the street? I always thought that would be cool, but are they too soft?

It's only ever has the Michelin slicks on it. I don't plan to run these on the street, but I wish I could. I did a set of Hoosier slicks once on the street; 1400 miles and they were steel cords.

I wish Michelin would give an option to put that color logo on the side walls of some pilot cup street tires. I just really want the C6R Corvette look on my wheels/tires. Race cars are awesome.

Tyler

[RSX302]

What treaded tire is this?




https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/12/ShopPicsDecember20100131-1.jpg

Tyler

[RSX302]

What treaded tire is this?

Nevermind..I see now that its the same treaded tire. Are those rain slicks? Was it those that you got 1400miles or full slicks? I believe rains are way softer.

[Ron S]

That thing is money. All the high dollar parts in the world, don't make the same statement that a properly done roadrace stretch does. Just looks mean, love it. Ron

[Poopy]

That thing is money. All the high dollar parts in the world, don't make the same statement that a properly done roadrace stretch does. Just looks mean, love it. Ron

Hell ya!:cheers:

[srh3trinity]

The stripe in Carbon will be perfect on this car. I love the way that rear fender looks, I can't believe Chevy didn't come up with that initially, it looks that good.

[TitoJones]

Nevermind..I see now that its the same treaded tire. Are those rain slicks? Was it those that you got 1400miles or full slicks? I believe rains are way softer.

They are rain slicks indeed. These are take offs from a C6R. They are for roll around purposes only. I had Hoosier full slicks on my 92 Camaro that were 1400 miles until the rear showed steel belts across the full section width. They were awesome though. My dream tire would be Michelin Pilot Cups with the color logo on the side wall that the road race slicks come with. I'd buy the sh*t out of those tires.

Tyler

[olds87]

Have you check for Michelin customer slicks? They look the same as Le Mans tires, but they are different compound. Here picture of them

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/01/2555670244_f9b71bde23_b-1.jpg

[RSX302]

I know it's there image, but I could do without the Michelin Man waving at me...I like the streched low profile version myself.

[TitoJones]

Have you check for Michelin customer slicks? They look the same as Le Mans tires, but they are different compound. Here picture of them

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/01/2555670244_f9b71bde23_b-1.jpg

Those are sweet, no doubt. I still wish there was an option to get the color logo on the street tires; the look of the AMLS slick with the durability of a street compound.

Tyler

[Nessumsar]

Tyler, why not make a template of the sidewall logo and spray/stamp it on yourself? Maybe something like silk screening?

Those flares are double-dope sauce.

[RSX302]

Those are sweet, no doubt. I still wish there was an option to get the color logo on the street tires; the look of the AMLS slick with the durability of a street compound.

Tyler

Get the hardest compound and get a tread cutter..Heat cycle the snot out of them..BAM! inst-o street tire..lol

[wellis77]

Tyler, what size tube did Rodger use for the chassis? Is it all DOM? If the front has to come down 1-1.5", why not set the body on the table at ride height to make sure there is enough tire clearance? Obviously there is enough with the flares, but it seems almost counterproductive to me. I'm still new to this building from almost scratch stuff though. Thanks.

[TitoJones]

Tyler, what size tube did Rodger use for the chassis? Is it all DOM? If the front has to come down 1-1.5", why not set the body on the table at ride height to make sure there is enough tire clearance? Obviously there is enough with the flares, but it seems almost counterproductive to me. I'm still new to this building from almost scratch stuff though. Thanks.

It was setup at ride height when the wheel plates were installed. The slicks are shorter diameter overall than the planned street tires, so the front is drooping a bit. 1.75" with a .120 wall DOM tubing on the chassis.

Tyler

[TitoJones]

Passenger side coming alone nicely.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/01/ShopPicsJanuary2011020-1.jpg

Tyler

[TitoJones]

The widebody is wide.

Pass flare is almost done. Needs to be trimmed up to match the width of the drivers side:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/01/9r6s0w-1.jpg

It's hard to describe what seeing it in person does. The pictures don't convey the widebody aggressiveness of the treatment very well. It's just...Dominating. Evil. It lets you know you are looking at something that would eat you if it could.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/01/fwk5jb-1.jpg

View from the upper storage area:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/01/1znn410-1.jpg

It's over a half a foot wider than factory. It's crazy. (The pass side flare still has not been trimmed here to match the drivers, so it looks big.)
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/01/5z1kzl-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/01/2rvy537-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/01/32zrwj9-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/01/vowtue-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/01/2yvlc13-1.jpg

Engine is setback to the point that the firewall and the base of the windshield will be even.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/01/2qwfpyg-1.jpg

Tyler

[Frankenstine]

Project is looking good, what will fill the space between the front of the engine and the header panel, looks like it might be alot?

[TitoJones]

Project is looking good, what will fill the space between the front of the engine and the header panel, looks like it might be alot?

All that real estate in the front will get a radiator setup like this:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/01/693ls0-1.jpg

Then vent it out the hood.

Tyler

[Conrad283]

Oh man ...:bananna2::bananna2:

[killer69]

you know it would look really Sexy if Roger would take the rest of the Green paint of for you!!!

[killer69]

[QUOTE=TitoJones;761519]All that real estate in the front will get a radiator setup like this:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/01/693ls0-1.jpg

Then vent it out the hood.


how the hell do they make so much power on these things with those tiny little intake bells!!!!! DAMN!
what are those 1.5 diameter

[Damn True]

[QUOTE=TitoJones;761519]All that real estate in the front will get a radiator setup like this:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/01/693ls0-1.jpg

Then vent it out the hood.


how the hell do they make so much power on these things with those tiny little intake bells!!!!! DAMN!
what are those 1.5 diameter

Strategic leaks in the intake manifold?